How long will this effort to shut down last

[TONY88]

A fine idea, Mr. charliebrown! Would that also mean that if you have a household of four, you would be given more free points???

 

[Porkchop]

Italy just surpassed China in the number of deaths, at almost half the number of reported cases.

Reports are that China isn’t reporting new cases or deaths. They are white washing this.
I seriously doubt there haven’t been any new cases in China.

 

[krideynyc]

Reports are that China isn’t reporting new cases or deaths. They are white washing this.
I seriously doubt there haven’t been any new cases in China.

Even if they were, and I think it's very likely, the numbers from Italy is still a much worse scenario. And we can trust their reporting,

 

[Jgunzz]

1918 Spanish Flu. 625,000 deaths.
We could have. We had a Pandemic Dept in the CDC. Even if it never happened, we could have learned from the over a dozen or so viral outbreaks that occurred worldwide in this Century. Especially the very similar one in 2003, SARS. But, absolutely agree that now that those in charge are taking action, we should do our best to contribute to eradicating this virus as quickly as possible.

That’s neither here nor there at this point, we cannot cry over spilt milk.

Now sir we’re you alive in 1918?
Was anyone here alive then?
I doubt there are many New Yorkers who can reminisce about that so we are all in the dark

 

[Jgunzz]

I can tell you this right now, at least 30% of New Yorkers already have it

 

[krideynyc]

That’s neither here nor there at this point, we cannot cry over spilt milk.

Now sir we’re you alive in 1918?
Was anyone here alive then?
I doubt there are many New Yorkers who can reminisce about that so we are all in the dark

Very true. So glad we are no longer required to pass on our history using only oral recitation. Thank goodness we have other ways for what they went through to be remembered.

 

[joemomma79]

I work in an industry where the majority of people will always be between 25-35, college educated, highly social with advanced salaries. I think they may look outwardly and wonder who is on the shallow end of the gene pool.

They are in the hunt for connection and intimacy like many on this board. They have never been "offline" or alone since their first phone. They are being told not to socialize or congregate for the first time in their life even though this is Spring Break week. All this to preserve a group of mostly older people that disparage their generation at every turn in the media?

The fact is they will survive this and other groups may not. Disparaging them will not change their behavior.

Pure stupidity in this post. First of all, read the research and facts. The only age group seemingly unaffected by terminal cases is 0 to 9.

Now, what you're arguing is akin to saying someone with a trauma history is somehow not responsible for their actions regardless of intent. Like the promiscuous man or woman that was repeatedly traumatized and now acts in such a manner. That's actually something to be sympathetic about, not a dumb as fuck generation of kids who, according to you, we are supposed to pardon for their actions because being "plugged in " to the world is what they know. And then you're equating success with them, as if that plays any factor in this. They need to be disparaged if they are ignorant enough to risk everyone's life by their actions. Just as any group. If older folks or any age group is acting in such a manner, then they need to be told as well.

I wish i lived in the black and white world that some of you inhabit where everyone's actions are their own, no one's responsible beyond what is right in front of them. Life's much easier that way

 

[Uniquelyme]

I work in an industry where the majority of people will always be between 25-35, college educated, highly social with advanced salaries. I think they may look outwardly and wonder who is on the shallow end of the gene pool.

They are in the hunt for connection and intimacy like many on this board. They have never been "offline" or alone since their first phone. They are being told not to socialize or congregate for the first time in their life even though this is Spring Break week. All this to preserve a group of mostly older people that disparage their generation at every turn in the media?

The fact is they will survive this and other groups may not. Disparaging them will not change their behavior.

So they are willing to not be responsible because of spite??

 

[charliebrown]

@Bit is an overpaid idiot along with all of his associates!!!! What they doesn't realize is that they may survive this with 30% decrease in lung capacity. That is no big deal breathing like a 60 year old when you are a 30 year old. PS, there will be no super fund covering all of the health needs when the group grows older and can not breath any longer. By that time, the next generation will vote for pulling to plug on your ass. There is a 20% hospitalization rate

BIT. maybe the rich old guy will persuade the hospital to attain your ventilator for a small portion of his retirement account which is worth more than your life savings!

Ask your overpaid but unintelligent associates what the UNINTENDED consequences of their actions are!

 

[bluescrubs]

Manipulation, fudged numbers, faulty definitions (of "cases"), and stark reality that even with all the scientific shell games and political jockeying the facts point to a giant overblown fear mongering hype propaganda campaign with ulterior motives. And though it still relies on twisted manipulated shell-game mortality rates and "case" definitions it pulls away one last deception.

I don't think Dr Fauci is trying to deceive us.

 

[Jgunzz]

If this thing gets bad, we are gonna realise how much of a handcuff NYC’s gun laws are

 

[green2]

I don't think Dr Fauci is trying to deceive us.

He has an agenda

 

[david77]

When in the history of the country has this ever happened??
You are asking as if there was a contingency plan in place for this particular situation . This is all new and instead of panicking we all just need to take a step back and let the powers that be formulate a plan.

I get it 300 million people cannot just sit at home doing nothing, the country will grind to a halt,

https://www.pbs.org/video/american-experience-influenza-1918/

 

[Bit]

... not a dumb as fuck generation of kids who, according to you, we are supposed to pardon for their actions because being "plugged in " to the world is what they know. And then you're equating success with them, as if that plays any factor in this.

Pardoned? No.
Plugged in? Absolutely and constantly. Don't confuse their deliberate actions with ignorance.
Equating success? Different issue as their success is not in dispute. You're conflating here.

I keep thinking about all the PSA commercials that sound great to older people, but didn't work on the young. I recall the Scared Straight programs that did not move the needle on crime with the fake weekend of abuse by elders in a prison setting. Then there was "This is your brain on drugs". It didn't do a thing to curtail that epidemic then, or opioids now.

Now all I hear is hyperbole from wrinkly old men and women on TV pontificating to the young like that is going to affect change. When will you learn the lesson that these approaches make them rebel?

Who don't I pardon? How about the public in Florida.
Where's their cries to shut down the beaches in Florida? Oh wait, older people own the stores that are struggling for business. And they want these empowered young people to spend their ample disposable income. There are townships that are shutting down on Monday because Spring break ends this weekend. How convenient.
Who's not plugged in? Frowning old faces finger wagging on TV
I find it funny that in the political thread I started (that was shut down because our moderators had to break up wars of words between grumpy old men), that there was always a debate about Fox vs CNN vs MSNBC. Younger people aren't gettig their news from those sources. Try a Discord server, TikTok or SnapChat (and if you don't know what those are, no you're not plugged in either. Can't they find younger faces to carry this message to the group they want to affect?
Who's not equating success? The media by not showing who's recovered.
Lack of test kits, masks, swabs. The list of shortages goes on. How about some interviews of the survivors from the 207,000 confirmed worldwide cases. If the death rate is 2% overall (more if you are older), how about talking about how long this group stays immune. How about more focus on why the young survive this better.

How about use some of that hard earned wisdom and skill to approach the young differently. Otherwise, you are just pissing your anger in the wind and all you'll get is an "OK Boomer" from the young.

 

[Bit]

@Bit is an overpaid idiot along with all of his associates!!!! What they doesn't realize is that they may survive this with 30% decrease in lung capacity. That is no big deal breathing like a 60 year old when you are a 30 year old. PS, there will be no super fund covering all of the health needs when the group grows older and can not breath any longer. By that time, the next generation will vote for pulling to plug on your ass. There is a 20% hospitalization rate

BIT. maybe the rich old guy will persuade the hospital to attain your ventilator for a small portion of his retirement account which is worth more than your life savings!

Ask your overpaid but unintelligent associates what the UNINTENDED consequences of their actions are!

Oh Charlie Charlie Charlie. That's just a personal attack. I expect more than this from you sir.

I don't want Voodoo or Rampage to shut down another informative thread based on member grumpiness, but this is your second time venting at me. Not sure why as we will never meet in real life. For the record, I'm not mad at you. I'm just surprised that you would do a personal attack. I feel sorry for ya bud. Truly.

And for the sake of accuracy, the 20-30% lung capacity decrease is not from COVID-19. It is from pneumonia-related scarring in the lungs. COVID-19 aside, any senior at risk for pneumonia should try to get the shot to prevent this.

 

[Uniquelyme]

Pardoned? No.
Plugged in? Absolutely and constantly. Don't confuse their deliberate actions with ignorance.
Equating success? Different issue as their success is not in dispute. You're conflating here.

I keep thinking about all the PSA commercials that sound great to older people, but didn't work on the young. I recall the Scared Straight programs that did not move the needle on crime with the fake weekend of abuse by elders in a prison setting. Then there was "This is your brain on drugs". It didn't do a thing to curtail that epidemic then, or opioids now.

Now all I hear is hyperbole from wrinkly old men and women on TV pontificating to the young like that is going to affect change. When will you learn the lesson that these approaches make them rebel?

Who don't I pardon? How about the public in Florida.
Where's their cries to shut down the beaches in Florida? Oh wait, older people own the stores that are struggling for business. And they want these empowered young people to spend their ample disposable income. There are townships that are shutting down on Monday because Spring break ends this weekend. How convenient.
Who's not plugged in? Frowning old faces finger wagging on TV
I find it funny that in the political thread I started (that was shut down because our moderators had to break up wars of words between grumpy old men), that there was always a debate about Fox vs CNN vs MSNBC. Younger people aren't gettig their news from those sources. Try a Discord server, TikTok or SnapChat (and if you don't know what those are, no you're not plugged in either. Can't they find younger faces to carry this message to the group they want to affect?
Who's not equating success? The media by not showing who's recovered.
Lack of test kits, masks, swabs. The list of shortages goes on. How about some interviews of the survivors from the 207,000 confirmed worldwide cases. If the death rate is 2% overall (more if you are older), how about talking about how long this group stays immune. How about more focus on why the young survive this better.

How about use some of that hard earned wisdom and skill to approach the young differently. Otherwise, you are just pissing your anger in the wind and all you'll get is an "OK Boomer" from the young.

I get what you're saying but you are making excuses for being irresponsible.

I have a 20 yr old son lives with Parents cause im in NJ and school, work, gf is in NYC.

I explained to him why he should be more mindful. I explained it to him through text told em. Dont pass the L. Only touch gf etc.

Hes responsibile. He knows why he should be easy.

I get it. I am annoyed too when older people blame the millenials and such. My son is generation Z im cusp Gen X 1980.

Generations always do that. However being extra cautious is not a bad thing.

 

[Bit]

So they are willing to not be responsible because of spite??

The very young, like the ones on spring break don't check out the news like we do. They just hear that they won't die from it, and they move back to their daily lives. We're talking 19-year olds here. I've heard them say that they are basically going to be around each other, so they don't feel like they are being reckless. They're out there trying to hook up and they can't do that in isolation. So sex over what they perceive to be flu-like symptoms for their generation.

Many people in their late-20s through their 30's are staying mostly confined and telecommuting if their job allows it. I predict that the weekends will have this group flooding the streets. They keep figuring out things to do, so if the beaches, parks and public spaces all don't close, they will get resourceful and find places to congregate.

 

[Uniquelyme]

The very young, like the ones on spring break don't check out the news like we do. They just hear that they won't die from it, and they move back to their daily lives. We're talking 19-year olds here. I've heard them say that they are basically going to be around each other, so they don't feel like they are being reckless. They're out there trying to hook up and they can't do that in isolation. So sex over what they perceive to be flu-like symptoms for their generation.

Many people in their late-20s through their 30's are staying mostly confined and telecommuting if their job allows it. I predict that the weekends will have this group flooding the streets. They keep figuring out things to do, so if the beaches, parks and public spaces all don't close, they will get resourceful and find places to congregate.

Those are all excuses though. And yes they know about whats going on cause they all have google feeds and not all of em dont like to read. I would say no problem if it wasnt a pandemic.

 

[Frank Jay]

Been going to work each this week. Today we were told 2 people in the building tested positives. ( Rock Center) Time for me to take this more serious and self quarantine at home .

 

[Bit]

I get what you're saying but you are making excuses for being irresponsible.

I have a 20 yr old son lives with Parents cause im in NJ and school, work, gf is in NYC.

I explained to him why he should be more mindful. I explained it to him through text told em. Dont pass the L. Only touch gf etc.

Hes responsibile. He knows why he should be easy.

I get it. I am annoyed too when older people blame the millenials and such. My son is generation Z im cusp Gen X 1980.

Generations always do that. However being extra cautious is not a bad thing.

Those are all excuses though. And yes they know about whats going on cause they all have google feeds and not all of em dont like to read. I would say no problem if it wasnt a pandemic.

Not disagreeing with you at all @Uniquelyme , and not making excuses for them. Your tone and your approach sounds successful. The news media make the young people sound like irresponsible losers. The fact is they are the largest population at this time and ineffective messaging is hurting, not helping. That is my greater point.

As you know from being a parent, approach determines success. If we want to affect change, we may want to understand the Millenial/Gen-Z viewpoint and package something that makes sense to them. Otherwise, this virus will just drag out.

All of this would end if we just shut everything down for a month and lock people indoors like they did in China and Italy. That's going to be hard to enforce for all 50 states. Governor Cuomo already said he won't "lock up New Yorkers in their homes". It would also tank the economy and drive us into a full-blown recession.

Until there is a full lockdown, we better figure out a way to appeal to the largest population of people that are not staying indoors - young people.