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How long will this effort to shut down last

BillaBong

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Everyone is now being forced to stay home.. but definitely it cannot last for more than 2-3 months
We already are seeing effects on economy
Not ever job can be done from home... so where and when does this end?

What is the exit point, who decides that?
 

Jgunzz

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When in the history of the country has this ever happened??
You are asking as if there was a contingency plan in place for this particular situation . This is all new and instead of panicking we all just need to take a step back and let the powers that be formulate a plan.

I get it 300 million people cannot just sit at home doing nothing, the country will grind to a halt,
 

krideynyc

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When in the history of the country has this ever happened??
1918 Spanish Flu. 625,000 deaths.
You are asking as if there was a contingency plan in place for this particular situation . This is all new and instead of panicking we all just need to take a step back and let the powers that be formulate a plan.
We could have. We had a Pandemic Dept in the CDC. Even if it never happened, we could have learned from the over a dozen or so viral outbreaks that occurred worldwide in this Century. Especially the very similar one in 2003, SARS. But, absolutely agree that now that those in charge are taking action, we should do our best to contribute to eradicating this virus as quickly as possible.
 

krideynyc

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gashhound

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1918 Spanish Flu. 625,000 deaths.
We could have. We had a Pandemic Dept in the CDC. Even if it never happened, we could have learned from the over a dozen or so viral outbreaks that occurred worldwide in this Century. Especially the very similar one in 2003, SARS. But, absolutely agree that now that those in charge are taking action, we should do our best to contribute to eradicating this virus as quickly as possible.
We had a Pandemic Dept. in the CDC during the SARS, MERS, and Bird Flu outbreaks but never had testing the way it is being ramped up now. The CDC policy was a health professional would ask for the test after an examination. All prior administrations saw nothing wrong with this procedure. Mass on demand testing is a new concept for the CDC. This administration is addressing the situation with a completely new procedure. It stands to reason that if a Pandemic Dept. still existed within the CDC it would have had the same old procedure ready to go. Thank you D.T., M.P. and all the rest of the people in this administration for working as diligently as they are. As usual, Congress is just along for the ride like the Buffons they are.
 

krideynyc

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We had a Pandemic Dept. in the CDC during the SARS, MERS, and Bird Flu outbreaks but never had testing the way it is being ramped up now. The CDC policy was a health professional would ask for the test after an examination. All prior administrations saw nothing wrong with this procedure. Mass on demand testing is a new concept for the CDC. This administration is addressing the situation with a completely new procedure. It stands to reason that if a Pandemic Dept. still existed within the CDC it would have had the same old procedure ready to go. Thank you D.T., M.P. and all the rest of the people in this administration for working as diligently as they are. As usual, Congress is just along for the ride like the Buffons they are.
The question would then be knowing that China had to conduct massive testing to contain this virus, and seeing South Korea follow up with the same strategy, if we had a CDC Dept, that would have been their recommendation. This Administration did not have that level of expertise to guide them when this crisis started. And we know exactly what they did, and it was not an effective one. For all the strict adherence to using only the CDC Test Kit since the start of this crisis, what happened yesterday with news was announced that we imported 500,000 Test Kits from Italy?
 

krideynyc

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Mostly FEAR mongering, Ben Swann breaks it down, we are the suckers.
His math is also skewed. Latest CDC numbers for 2020 Seasonal Influenza, was 51 Million cases, and 55,000 deaths. That comes out to around 0.1% as estimated, All death rates in the various countries are now pointing the lethality rate to at least sustain that 3.4%. Last time I checked, 3.4% is much higher than 0.1%.
 

Cheshire1

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Gents, we are going to survive. It's a serious virus but the media has also gone completely insane with fear mongering which is disgraceful as they can't control their personal political agendas. This isn't 1918 and the Spanish flu, we are an advanced society, and we will come out of this in phases. Yes, #'s will go up as testing increases but at the same time the infection rate will drop because of that. The deaths are a small # and sad to see but the "release and recovery" rates are extremely high as well. On another note as well, once you have this ( which millions likely already have ) you are immune to it. Try to look at the positive aspects, and yeah well don't look at the stock market for the time being....
 

Versao

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His math is also skewed. Latest CDC numbers for 2020 Seasonal Influenza, was 51 Million cases, and 55,000 deaths. That comes out to around 0.1% as estimated, All death rates in the various countries are now pointing the lethality rate to at least sustain that 3.4%. Last time I checked, 3.4% is much higher than 0.1%.
Manipulation, fudged numbers, faulty definitions (of "cases"), and stark reality that even with all the scientific shell games and political jockeying the facts point to a giant overblown fear mongering hype propaganda campaign with ulterior motives. And though it still relies on twisted manipulated shell-game mortality rates and "case" definitions it pulls away one last deception.
 

krideynyc

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Manipulation, fudged numbers, faulty definitions (of "cases"), and stark reality that even with all the scientific shell games and political jockeying the facts point to a giant overblown fear mongering hype propaganda campaign with ulterior motives. And though it still relies on twisted manipulated shell-game mortality rates and "case" definitions it pulls away one last deception.
True. Numbers are just numbers. It’s how they are applied. But when are accusing someone of skewing numbers, you should be more accurate with yours.
 

Versao

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True. Numbers are just numbers. It’s how they are applied. But when are accusing someone of skewing numbers, you should be more accurate with yours.
Numbers are already exposed as skewed, not going to repeat them, you either choose to ignore it or not. Fear is the game.
 

krideynyc

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Numbers are already exposed as skewed, not going to repeat them, you either choose to ignore it or not. Fear is the game.
Obviously we agree to disagree on how those numbers are skewed. Anyone can check the CDC for this season’s Influenza estimates. And he’s using the same numbers put out by the WHO.
 

green2

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your missing the point. you cant be legit and compare confirmed vs estimated cases. the media is doing that. common sense tells you the real number is prbably 11 percent with people over 60 with health conditions and below .1% for everyone else...just like all respiratory illnesses.
 

krideynyc

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your missing the point. you cant be legit and compare confirmed vs estimated cases. the media is doing that. common sense tells you the real number is prbably 11 percent with people over 60 with health conditions and below .1% for everyone else...just like all respiratory illnesses.
We're talking comparing general lethality rates, not comparing specific age ranges. Even if we were, that general number is the sum all deaths, in all age ranges, for both viruses.
 

BVBV

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As of today Italy has reported of all the deaths over 99% have had prior medical issues. Also a wide majority that get Corona have mild to moderate symptoms.
 

krideynyc

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As of today Italy has reported of all the deaths over 99% have had prior medical issues. Also a wide majority that get Corona have mild to moderate symptoms.
Great. Let's just skip the whole shutdown and let everyone catch it. Most of us will make it through no problem. Or better yet, lets start setting up infection centers for people that want to get infected. You'll never be infected again once you recover. Won't even need the vaccine.

There's a reason why medical science do not recommend we go back to "Herd Immunity" to tackle viral outbreaks.
 

Versao

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Great. Let's just skip the whole shutdown and let everyone catch it. Most of us will make it through no problem. Or better yet, lets start setting up infection centers for people that want to get infected. You'll never be infected again once you recover. Won't even need the vaccine.

There's a reason why medical science do not recommend we go back to "Herd Immunity" to tackle viral outbreaks.
No one argues against safe and preventive measures, but fact is it is overly hyped and overblown, follow the money too.
 
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