How long will this effort to shut down last

[Uniquelyme]

Not disagreeing with you at all @Uniquelyme , and not making excuses for them. Your tone and your approach sounds successful. The news media make the young people sound like irresponsible losers. The fact is they are the largest population at this time and ineffective messaging is hurting, not helping. That is my greater point.

As you know from being a parent, approach determines success. If we want to affect change, we may want to understand the Millenial/Gen-Z viewpoint and package something that makes sense to them. Otherwise, this virus will just drag out.

All of this would end if we just shut everything down for a month and lock people indoors like they did in China and Italy. That's going to be hard to enforce for all 50 states. Governor Cuomo already said he won't "lock up New Yorkers in their homes". It would also tank the economy and drive us into a full-blown recession.

Until there is a full lockdown, we better figure out a way to appeal to the largest population of people that are not staying indoors - young people.

Maybe a Meme they got tons of memes with toilet paper out already

 

[yougen]

And for the sake of accuracy, the 20-30% lung capacity decrease is not from COVID-19. It is from pneumonia-related scarring in the lungs. COVID-19 aside, any senior at risk for pneumonia should try to get the shot to prevent this.

COVID-19 does cause pneumonia and thus the scarring of the lungs. This is why they call it "Wuhan Pneumonia" in China initially.

 

[Bit]

COVID-19 does cause pneumonia and thus the scarring of the lungs. This is why they call it "Wuhan Pneumonia" in China initially.

I hear you. Getting them both is very complicated for the hospitals to handle.

What I'm hearing from some medical professionals (non-statistically, but through first hand accounts) things cascade very quickly if the patient already have mild pneumonia and then they get COVID-19. I hear that things move slower if they had no signs of pneumonia and they get COVID-19. They are both respiratory illnessess, but it seems like the virus tips things over the edge. Still trying to get a credible data-source to move that one out of hearsay.

The only good news is that COVID-19 does not consistently give people pneumonia. Fortunately, Wuhan pneumonia is a medical misnomer. I know two people that were exposed to a person with the virus. One is confirmed to have what is deemed a "mild case" and the other is still just suspected to have it. They are both riding it out at home and neither diagnosed with pneumonia. To your point though, it doesn't mean that others won't develop pneumonia alongside COVID-19.

 

[dotcom]

Now the trees are starting to bud. Anyone with a runny nose and watery eyes are gonna run to the nearest urgent care convinced they have Corona.

....and they very well might

 

[Jgunzz]

you guys have to remember these kids consume their news on social media, if it's not on twitter its almost as if it did not happen, and if it did not get enough likes...its not important.
i have two 15 year olds, I am pissed because this will impact my plans to kick them out at 18, I had plans to turn their bedrooms into massage rooms

 

[headsup]

I work in an industry where the majority of people will always be between 25-35, college educated, highly social with advanced salaries. I think they may look outwardly and wonder who is on the shallow end of the gene pool.

They are in the hunt for connection and intimacy like many on this board. They have never been "offline" or alone since their first phone. They are being told not to socialize or congregate for the first time in their life even though this is Spring Break week. All this to preserve a group of mostly older people that disparage their generation at every turn in the media?

The fact is they will survive this and other groups may not. Disparaging them will not change their behavior.

So there's a generation gap? What else is new? There always will be one. Jerks will be jerks forever, and we'll never run out of them. No one young or old should hold back saying what needs to be said in order to say what people what to hear. Luckily the majority of people are not ignorant of what is going on and are doing the right thing.

 

[charliebrown]

Oh Charlie Charlie Charlie. That's just a personal attack. I expect more than this from you sir.

I don't want Voodoo or Rampage to shut down another informative thread based on member grumpiness, but this is your second time venting at me. Not sure why as we will never meet in real life. For the record, I'm not mad at you. I'm just surprised that you would do a personal attack. I feel sorry for ya bud. Truly.

And for the sake of accuracy, the 20-30% lung capacity decrease is not from COVID-19. It is from pneumonia-related scarring in the lungs. COVID-19 aside, any senior at risk for pneumonia should try to get the shot to prevent this.

I wish I could say I was being extreme but after reading your initial comments, I would say I was being kind.

 

[Bit]

I wish I could say I was being extreme but after reading your initial comments, I would say I was being kind.

Not sure why you think board-forbidden personal attacks are "kind" or even okay. Not sure if it makes you feel better in some way (that would be sad). But you can certainly take a page from Uniquelyme. He presented his info in a calm way while disagreeing with what he believes I presented.

I ignore what is called "Internet Courage" on forums. Most people would not get away with uttering those words that came through their keyboard in real life. I'm totally okay with the discourse, but for the sake of the mods not shutting down productive threads, please direct your anger at the comments and not people.

Stay civil. And stay safe.

 

[Bit]

So there's a generation gap? What else is new? There always will be one. Jerks will be jerks forever, and we'll never run out of them. No one young or old should hold back saying what needs to be said in order to say what people what to hear. Luckily the majority of people are not ignorant of what is going on and are doing the right thing.

Everyone is entitled to free speech as long as that free speech doesn't cause others harm (like saying "FIRE" in a movie theater). It just looks funny when one person is talking and the other person obviously isn't listening.

I looked at multiple cable news channels chiding young people on beaches in Florida, but not one of them attempted to talk to a business owner that was serving the food and booze to these young people. Why? "The Economy" is the blanket answer. So the elders get to focus on profit, but the young people should be responsible?

The media is playing both sides and the saddest part is that I can't think of a single young person that pays for cable TV when they don't have to. Again, one person is talking (older) and it looks funny when the person they are supposed to be taking to about responsibility (younger) isn't tuned in or listening. Other than venting, how does that help us contain the virus?

I've said it in other threads that until there was a full lock-down we won't bend the curve of the virus. CA, NY, CT and IL are (finally) locking down all non-essential services. I'm hoping that on a regional level, NJ does the same thing. If we lock-down nationally, we may get this thing under control in a month and begin restoring elements of our economy back to normal.

 

[Uniquelyme]

Everyone is entitled to free speech as long as that free speech doesn't cause others harm (like saying "FIRE" in a movie theater). It just looks funny when one person is talking and the other person obviously isn't listening.

I looked at multiple cable news channels chiding young people on beaches in Florida, but not one of them attempted to talk to a business owner that was serving the food and booze to these young people. Why? "The Economy" is the blanket answer. So the elders get to focus on profit, but the young people should be responsible?

The media is playing both sides and the saddest part is that I can't think of a single young person that pays for cable TV when they don't have to. Again, one person is talking (older) and it looks funny when the person they are supposed to be taking to about responsibility (younger) isn't tuned in or listening. Other than venting, how does that help us contain the virus?

I've said it in other threads that until there was a full lock-down we won't bend the curve of the virus. CA, NY, CT and IL are (finally) locking down all non-essential services. I'm hoping that on a regional level, NJ does the same thing. If we lock-down nationally, we may get this thing under control in a month and begin restoring elements of our economy back to normal.

I be spitting wisdom to the youth like @4:00 mark of the video.

 

[feetguy1]

That’s neither here nor there at this point, we cannot cry over spilt milk.

Now sir we’re you alive in 1918?
Was anyone here alive then?
I doubt there are many New Yorkers who can reminisce about that so we are all in the dark

Read some history.

 

[Jgunzz]

Reading history will solve what’s?

NYC has about 1 million hospital beds, if a quarter of the city’s population gets sick and you run of of urgent medical supplies what should they do , read a history book ?

 

[RickeyRomance]

It's funny how it's 'the media hyping this up' until you or someone you know gets infected and gets sick....and then it will be all about 'thoughts and prayers'.

 

[krideynyc]

Reading history will solve what’s?

How to avoid it from happening again. Not always the same solution, but at least it identifies mistakes to avoid.

NYC has about 1 million hospital beds, if a quarter of the city’s population gets sick and you run of of urgent medical supplies what should they do , read a history book ?

Not all of those 1 Million beds would be used for severe cases. We don't have the the amount of equipment, and certified medical professionals to staff even 10% of that. At that point, you are part of a new history, for the next time.

 

[Jgunzz]

How to avoid it from happening again. Not always the same solution, but at least it identifies mistakes to avoid.

Not all of those 1 Million beds would be used for severe cases. We don't have the the amount of equipment, and certified medical professionals to staff even 10% of that. At that point, you are part of a new history, for the next time.

My point is that a epidemic in 1918 is not comparable to a epidemic in 2020

 

[krideynyc]

My point is that a epidemic in 1918 is not comparable to a epidemic in 2020

No. But it answers the question "Has it happened before?". And more crucially, "How bad can it get?".

 

[Srhsrh]

Another question I have is what you guys are telling younger kids, under 10? My area is still very low for infections, and neighborhood kids are still playing together constantly, but the parents are all talking about pulling back, and how to tell their kids without scaring the piss out of them.

 

[Jgunzz]

there are so many differences to just a persons physical health , the way we eat , lived, our quality of life, the quality of the food that anything about that happened 102 years ago, is only relevant from a statistical standpoint.

The average person today consumes so many toxins that the bodies natural defences are weakened, compare that to 102 years ago

 

[krideynyc]

there are so many differences to just a persons physical health , the way we eat , lived, our quality of life, the quality of the food that anything about that happened 102 years ago, is only relevant from a statistical standpoint.

The average person today consumes so many toxins that the bodies natural defences are weakened, compare that to 102 years ago

That's actually scary. 625,000 Americans died 102 years ago. 50-100 Million estimated world wide. And they were healthier.....

 

[feetguy1]

Reading history will solve what’s?

NYC has about 1 million hospital beds, if a quarter of the city’s population gets sick and you run of of urgent medical supplies what should they do , read a history book ?

You and I weren't around in 1918. Read some history.