I need to vent about women

[Redrain]

For sure confidence puts any man into the top 10%. Does money, awesome looks, huge muscles, or big cock give confidence? Of course. Can one have none of these and still have confidence? Yes of course. I'm closing in on 50, I have money but no one would ever know it, I do have muscles, but I'm at best a 6 or 7 in my looks altogether, all this and again I'm closing in on 50. I do pretty well, because I am confident in a way no one I know is. Other said, they can know within a few minutes of meeting a girl if they will be fucking, and I have this sense too, so I use this as my tool. I don't ever shy away from approaching a girl I am interested in, and getting a hard NO doesn't mean anything to me. There are a few billion ladies in the world. A lot of times, if a lady is pursuing ME, I just am mildly interested in her and I make sure she understands this. She can either move along, or try harder, and for me I find that making them try harder is the trick; the ones who take it to the next level because challange accepted, they end up letting you buttfuck them on their kid's bed while their husband is away with his pals at some video game conference or at his fantasy golf draft.

Of course I'm way out of the age group of the 20-30 crowd now. But my kids are in the 20s crowd, and I see how they and their pals from school are going along in their quests for mates. Spoiler alert, not so well. The girls always seem the most interested by guys who "make me laugh". Now, that could be a dude just out of jail for the fiftieth time that year and with no job and dirty clothes and shitty haircut scraggly beard and smells like shitty white owls. But "make me laugh" is it. The girls find out in a week after he hits her or "forgets" whatever commitment he made or gets arrested. For most of them, unfortunately, they don't learn the lesson, and have another dude who "makes me laugh", and the cycle goes on and on until they have a differently colored baby of a dude upstate for the next ten years, and the dudes milk them of their youth and their strength and their parents' love and their parents' money and the money I send every quarter in my government forced charity program payments. I see it so often, and my town might be ground zero for this. The girls might be happy for those first two weeks, but wow what a shitty life after. I think a person should rather be lonely their whole lives than stuck with a piece of shit jailbird welfare bull and his baby and all his other children and their various mothers and his PO. But I'm completely wrong, as again the population today says I am.

Really, I don't know a way to fix this. You guys that are out there not just trying to get laid but find a wife, I can't even think of how you can win that game, except by becoming that guy. Personally, with the thing coming up this year, I don't know that I'd want to be the one giving up my place in the line, but hey, lots of people sell out for some pussy.

I don't know man. The young guys I talk to and am related to seem to be doing pretty well from what I see.

For sure confidence puts any man into the top 10%. Does money, awesome looks, huge muscles, or big cock give confidence? Of course. Can one have none of these and still have confidence? Yes of course. I'm closing in on 50, I have money but no one would ever know it, I do have muscles, but I'm at best a 6 or 7 in my looks altogether, all this and again I'm closing in on 50. I do pretty well, because I am confident in a way no one I know is. Other said, they can know within a few minutes of meeting a girl if they will be fucking, and I have this sense too, so I use this as my tool. I don't ever shy away from approaching a girl I am interested in, and getting a hard NO doesn't mean anything to me. There are a few billion ladies in the world. A lot of times, if a lady is pursuing ME, I just am mildly interested in her and I make sure she understands this. She can either move along, or try harder, and for me I find that making them try harder is the trick; the ones who take it to the next level because challange accepted, they end up letting you buttfuck them on their kid's bed while their husband is away with his pals at some video game conference or at his fantasy golf draft.

Of course I'm way out of the age group of the 20-30 crowd now. But my kids are in the 20s crowd, and I see how they and their pals from school are going along in their quests for mates. Spoiler alert, not so well. The girls always seem the most interested by guys who "make me laugh". Now, that could be a dude just out of jail for the fiftieth time that year and with no job and dirty clothes and shitty haircut scraggly beard and smells like shitty white owls. But "make me laugh" is it. The girls find out in a week after he hits her or "forgets" whatever commitment he made or gets arrested. For most of them, unfortunately, they don't learn the lesson, and have another dude who "makes me laugh", and the cycle goes on and on until they have a differently colored baby of a dude upstate for the next ten years, and the dudes milk them of their youth and their strength and their parents' love and their parents' money and the money I send every quarter in my government forced charity program payments. I see it so often, and my town might be ground zero for this. The girls might be happy for those first two weeks, but wow what a shitty life after. I think a person should rather be lonely their whole lives than stuck with a piece of shit jailbird welfare bull and his baby and all his other children and their various mothers and his PO. But I'm completely wrong, as again the population today says I am.

Really, I don't know a way to fix this. You guys that are out there not just trying to get laid but find a wife, I can't even think of how you can win that game, except by becoming that guy. Personally, with the thing coming up this year, I don't know that I'd want to be the one giving up my place in the line, but hey, lots of people sell out for some pussy.

I don't know man. The young men I know and am related to seem to be doing pretty well in the relationships department.

Their biggest complaints aren't about women and dating. Their biggest concerns are about finishing school, getting a good job and building their futures.

Which is the same concerns that the women their age are feeling.

If dating has gotten harder I think it's because of the things that are generally making life harder for both young men and young women, not women making things harder for men.

I definitely see that it is hard to be young man these days, but it's pretty clear that young women are also having a hard time.

I think it's foolish to treat the problems facing young men today as largely something women are doing to them.

 

[PorterD]

That's only if you actually think that hobbying is in any way a substitute for dating or having a romantic relationship!

Or if you think the only reason guys hobby is because they need to make up for the lack of dating or romantic relationships in their lives!

Prostitution has been going on for centuries and I really doubt that the only men who hobby are ones who can't get women to share time with them any other way!

At least I really hope not! Otherwise this wouldn't be a hobby so much as slow motion suicide!

Paying for sex as a substitute for a romantic relationship (when you want a romantic relationship) is voluntarily choosing to only live hand-to-mouth for the rest of your life!

That's like saying the only reason men eat at restaurants is because they have no other ways of getting food!

That's why we call it hobbying! Because its supposed to be a fun casual thing you do when you feel like it, not something you do because you have no other choice!

That's the difference between drinking and having a drinking problem!

We all enjoy what's in bottle. The problem comes when you can't put it down or even worse come to believe that it's the only way of keep from dying of thirst!

As for the ten years ago thing. I have a younger nephew who isn't rich or a male model but doesn't see the world the way you do.

He has dated some beautiful young women and is currently in a long term relationship with one who adores him.

I've spoken to him about the same things we are talking about and his opinion is that guys who see things the way you do are completely wrong and hurting themselves.

He tells me that these guys usually come off as a bit scary to both men and women.

He tells me that most of not all of his friends who don't believe these things are either in relationships or dating around and loving it.

Honestly, at some point you have to ask yourself.

If you understand "the truth" about women and these other guys don't, then why does it seem that so many of the men who disagree with you are having the kind of relationships with women that you want while you are not?

Yes- this hobby is different from dating. But the facts remain very consistent that if you had a solid dating life with free access to sex; you wouldn’t need this. That is just pretty obvious.

You are ignoring basic stats. A full 63% of men ages 18-30 have no partners. That is up from like 17% in the 1990’s. Are you trying to tell me the tens of millions of new men are now suddenly just losers?

Or could it be gasp…. A societal issue?

You sidestepped my questions conveniently. Why don’t you make that dating profile and tell me you results if you are so sure it’s just a male attitude. Because if it’s so easy you will get messages and dates from women in no time!!

You keep talking about how easy it is from the perspective of not having dated in the last 20 years.

I really truly doubt the nephew story. If it was dug into more you’d likely see all the modern women red flags that you simply aren’t grasping.

 

[PorterD]

Woman in the 1950’s: feminine virgin. Priority is marriage and a family in her early 20’s. Loves men and wants their love/protection. Is committed to her man.

Woman in 2024: masculine; spends her 20’s sleeping with Chads. Racks up a huge body counts destroying her pair bonding and raising her expectations. Hates men and doesn’t need them. Thinks marriage and children are dumb. It’s all about career! Commitment means nothing and men are discarded like trash.


Nope nothing has changed according to @Redrain

 

[markkennedy]

I don't know man. The young guys I talk to and am related to seem to be doing pretty well from what I see.


I don't know man. The young men I know and am related to seem to be doing pretty well in the relationships department.

Their biggest complaints aren't about women and dating. Their biggest concerns are about finishing school, getting a good job and building their futures.

Which is the same concerns that the women their age are feeling.

If dating has gotten harder I think it's because of the things that are generally making life harder for both young men and young women, not women making things harder for men.

I definitely see that it is hard to be young man these days, but it's pretty clear that young women are also having a hard time.

I think it's foolish to treat the problems facing young men today as largely something women are doing to them.

Yes of course is for both, my sons are deployed overseas so their only "dating" is at HHC at the "massage and wellness" centers, but the young dudes who work for me always talk about chicks to bang, never about any chicks worth marrying. Chicks not worth marrying, and dudes not worth marrying, having babies then becoming ineligible for dudes and chicks that ARE worth marrying, then divorcing, with baby, and starting the cycle of being 30, 40, 50, divorced several times, maybe some "domestic" charges, and all kinds of mixed babies from various parent combinations.

I didn't mean to absolve the gents from their part, I for sure described in great detail the kind of dudes who are having great success fucking and impregnating women, but for them, jail and ten shoeboxes of W2's every year to H+R Block and child support arrests ad nauseum until they die is more likely their result. Good for them, for a lot of dudes fucking is way more important than building a career and a family and preparing for the day they can't work anymore. Good for me, I'll be dead when they come to the SS office wondering why there's no check for them, and they can join the other 60 year olds, who spent their best earning years fucking and smoking and stealing shit, in the new homeless camp that just sprung up this week behind my plant.

For both mens and womenfolk, they ought to focus on learning from success of others in the past. Their own parents, their uncles, their grandparents, how did they end up with a mate and children and retirement-ready? Are these adult children following this example and failing due to some other external forces, or are they failing because they repudiated the methods that have worked for 200 millennia? I figure that it's fun to "be myself", but something that hard wired for success, 10 thousand generations, can't be ignored. The China tried this with the "four olds" project they tried during the cultural revolution, and now they find their economy about to be fucked in the ass, because their age distribution is extremely top-heavy and this unfunctional for everyone living in that society. In just two generations. The cultural revolution in the US, also a "four olds" project, is doomed to failure and we can already see, in the first generation, the dysfunction. Boys and girls, in their 30s and even 40s without mates and without career positions and without homes or credit or retirement or marketable skills or experience, some with massive mental illnesses that all but prevent them from functioning in public settings with other people and cultures and authority figures, they are super doomed and will deserve everything THEY demanded and are now getting. I will be long dead by the time we are at the same economic point the China finds itself, so I really don't care. My children were raised the same way with same values I was raised and grandfather was raised and so on, they are already surely in the top percentile of their age-peers, with careers of increasing responsibility, homes, mates, and functional life plans that they are executing.

As to young people having biggest concern of "finishing school, getting a good job and building their futures", anyone in their 20s and focused on this are in the top percentile of their age cohorts, and will never have any trouble completing any of those goals rather quickly. Is no hard to find a place for yourself when you are the best prepared and most goal-oriented. When dudes are focused only on getting drunk Friday and finding random chicks to cum inside on a phone app, is no hard to see that anyone not doing these things are going to win every single time, with very very little effort. I find a lot of my effort during a week DOES go to getting high and finding random chicks to cum inside, but I already have a successful business and could retire anytime I like, and have all the children and wife I could ever dream of. Dudes and chicks whose only desire is to eat dessert first second third and last, instead of eating dinner, they are Ballastexistenzen, and personally whether they live or die is no concern of mine, excepting when the government forced charity comes to me with their revenue soldiers demanding I contribute to those peoples' food and housing needs.

 

[Redrain]

Yes of course is for both, my sons are deployed overseas so their only "dating" is at HHC at the "massage and wellness" centers, but the young dudes who work for me always talk about chicks to bang, never about any chicks worth marrying. Chicks not worth marrying, and dudes not worth marrying, having babies then becoming ineligible for dudes and chicks that ARE worth marrying, then divorcing, with baby, and starting the cycle of being 30, 40, 50, divorced several times, maybe some "domestic" charges, and all kinds of mixed babies from various parent combinations.

I didn't mean to absolve the gents from their part, I for sure described in great detail the kind of dudes who are having great success fucking and impregnating women, but for them, jail and ten shoeboxes of W2's every year to H+R Block and child support arrests ad nauseum until they die is more likely their result. Good for them, for a lot of dudes fucking is way more important than building a career and a family and preparing for the day they can't work anymore. Good for me, I'll be dead when they come to the SS office wondering why there's no check for them, and they can join the other 60 year olds, who spent their best earning years fucking and smoking and stealing shit, in the new homeless camp that just sprung up this week behind my plant.

For both mens and womenfolk, they ought to focus on learning from success of others in the past. Their own parents, their uncles, their grandparents, how did they end up with a mate and children and retirement-ready? Are these adult children following this example and failing due to some other external forces, or are they failing because they repudiated the methods that have worked for 200 millennia? I figure that it's fun to "be myself", but something that hard wired for success, 10 thousand generations, can't be ignored. The China tried this with the "four olds" project they tried during the cultural revolution, and now they find their economy about to be fucked in the ass, because their age distribution is extremely top-heavy and this unfunctional for everyone living in that society. In just two generations. The cultural revolution in the US, also a "four olds" project, is doomed to failure and we can already see, in the first generation, the dysfunction. Boys and girls, in their 30s and even 40s without mates and without career positions and without homes or credit or retirement or marketable skills or experience, some with massive mental illnesses that all but prevent them from functioning in public settings with other people and cultures and authority figures, they are super doomed and will deserve everything THEY demanded and are now getting. I will be long dead by the time we are at the same economic point the China finds itself, so I really don't care. My children were raised the same way with same values I was raised and grandfather was raised and so on, they are already surely in the top percentile of their age-peers, with careers of increasing responsibility, homes, mates, and functional life plans that they are executing.

As to young people having biggest concern of "finishing school, getting a good job and building their futures", anyone in their 20s and focused on this are in the top percentile of their age cohorts, and will never have any trouble completing any of those goals rather quickly. Is no hard to find a place for yourself when you are the best prepared and most goal-oriented. When dudes are focused only on getting drunk Friday and finding random chicks to cum inside on a phone app, is no hard to see that anyone not doing these things are going to win every single time, with very very little effort. I find a lot of my effort during a week DOES go to getting high and finding random chicks to cum inside, but I already have a successful business and could retire anytime I like, and have all the children and wife I could ever dream of. Dudes and chicks whose only desire is to eat dessert first second third and last, instead of eating dinner, they are Ballastexistenzen, and personally whether they live or die is no concern of mine, excepting when the government forced charity comes to me with their revenue soldiers demanding I contribute to those peoples' food and housing needs.

Honestly I don't think that the only young people focused on finishing school, getting a good job, and building their futures are from the top percentile of their age cohort.

I think there are a lot more of them than we give credit to.

I do believe that these aren't the ones who get the most attention and media coverage but that's always been the case.

Headlines about young people who are doing their best to build their futures don't sell papers (Yes, yes, I know I'm as old as dirt and nobody reads newspapers anymore, but it's only going to be a viable metaphor for at most five more years so I am going to use the hell out it until then!)

From what I've seen the kids fall into the same percentages that we did decades ago. The same percentage prepare for the future and the same percentage only live for Saturday night.

When I was in my twenties I heard old men saying how our generation was doomed because the young men weren't what they used to be and the young women would never be as good as their mothers were.

My father heard the same thing from the old men of his day.

Looking around and talking to some of them, it feels like they are mostly just like we were at their age.

The same percentages want what we wanted, don't want what we wanted, or have no idea what they want.

There are as many "good girls", "good boys", "bad girls" and "bad boys" as there were when we were that age.

The kids may not be alright, but they aren't nearly as bad as the old men say.

 

[Redrain]

Woman in the 1950’s: feminine virgin. Priority is marriage and a family in her early 20’s. Loves men and wants their love/protection. Is committed to her man.

Woman in 2024: masculine; spends her 20’s sleeping with Chads. Racks up a huge body counts destroying her pair bonding and raising her expectations. Hates men and doesn’t need them. Thinks marriage and children are dumb. It’s all about career! Commitment means nothing and men are discarded like trash.


Nope nothing has changed according to @Redrain

Sweet Jesus man. You really believe all that?

All I can tell you is the guys I know who don't believe all that seem to be doing better in terms of relationships with women and generally less bitter than the guys who do Believe those things.

And the guys I know aren't models, millionaires, or next level charming.

From what I've seen, I don't think most men are going through what you are going through when it comes to women.

 

[VJLUTZ]

From what I've seen, I don't think most men are going through what you are going through when it comes to women.

The phenomenon that @PorterD and other posters have experienced is extraordinarily well documented.

The below link is to a Pew Research center study.

5 facts about single Americans for Valentine’s Day | Pew Research Center

And apparently Psychology Today trusts the study.

Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless | Psychology Today

And countless YouTube podcastsers discuss the phenomenon constantly. Of these, two high quality ones (with millions of subscribers) are listed below.

The Number of Sexless Men Has Tripled in 10 Years (youtube.com)

“It’s An Emergency!” The Number Of Men Having No Sex Increased 180%! - The Relationships Professor (youtube.com)

But apparently none of that matters because you and your "friends" supposedly don't see it. Maybe in your mind, anecdotal evidence trumps everything else, but that's not how the scientific method works.

I'm also sure you'll tell me I need to post more evidence of better quality, but I'm not playing that game because there is zero chance you will concede the point. And frankly, I could not care less about that anyway.

However, maybe its time for you to buttress your credibility with some published studies/polls (from reputable organizations) that jive with your assertions? I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[PorterD]

The phenomenon that @PorterD and other posters have experienced is extraordinarily well documented.

The below link is to a Pew Research center study.

5 facts about single Americans for Valentine’s Day | Pew Research Center

And apparently Psychology Today trusts the study.

Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless | Psychology Today

And countless YouTube podcastsers discuss the phenomenon constantly. Of these, two high quality ones (with millions of subscribers) are listed below.

The Number of Sexless Men Has Tripled in 10 Years (youtube.com)

“It’s An Emergency!” The Number Of Men Having No Sex Increased 180%! - The Relationships Professor (youtube.com)

But apparently none of that matters because you and your "friends" supposedly don't see it. Maybe in your mind, anecdotal evidence trumps everything else, but that's not how the scientific method works.

I'm also sure you'll tell me I need to post more evidence of better quality, but I'm not playing that game because there is zero chance you will concede the point. And frankly, I could not care less about that anyway.

However, maybe its time for you to buttress your credibility with some published studies/polls (from reputable organizations) that jive with your assertions? I'm not holding my breath though.

Great research!

Look I’m not saying there are no good women left and that there are no good relationships. It’s just FAR less common as you have documented well. This isn’t just a thing where a guy needs to do better or it’s his fault. This is a societal breakdown for reasons you mentioned.

 

[Redrain]

Great research!

Look I’m not saying there are no good women left and that there are no good relationships. It’s just FAR less common as you have documented well. This isn’t just a thing where a guy needs to do better or it’s his fault. This is a societal breakdown for reasons you mentioned.

I probably should have asked this sooner but what do you think a good relationship looks and feels like?

I mean how would you expect a woman in a relationship with you to treat you? How would you expect her view you? How would you want her to feel about you and make you feel about yourself and her?

Would you be ok with her expecting you to be faithful and get mad at you or even break up with you if you weren't?

What about hobbying? Would you expect her to be ok with you hobbying or if she caught you and broke up with you would you see that as something wrong that she did vs something wrong that you did?

Can she go out with her friends without you?

Equally important, how do you feel you would treat her as a good boyfriend?

What do you think being a good partner means in terms how you treat her and make her feel.

You've said a lot about how you believe that good romantic relationships between are very rare these days.

Please tell me what do you think a good relationship actually looks like. How you would treat a woman you love and haw you would want her to treat you.

 

[Sfguy94154]

I basically just believe the OP in what he says. And whether its projection or not, I have a massively different experience. I find practically every woman attractive in some way. Especially of late, I have been exploring older fatter ladies who, like OP, I once would have thought should be unattractive due to ingrained conventions and whatnot. What i find? I cant help myself. I love em all! God help me.

 

[Redrain]

I basically just believe the OP in what he says. And whether its projection or not, I have a massively different experience. I find practically every woman attractive in some way. Especially of late, I have been exploring older fatter ladies who, like OP, I once would have thought should be unattractive due to ingrained conventions and whatnot. What i find? I cant help myself. I love em all! God help me.

The true taste of wine is all one flavor.

Plus, the OP's problem isn't with women.

It's that there are a whole lot of women who he thinks he is better than having a way better time with men who he thinks are better looking, more charming, and make more money than he does, while the women he thinks are in and above his league won't be with him unless they are charging by the hour.

So basically the women he feels he's better than have better options than him, while the women he thinks are at least on his level won't touch him without payment.

So if the women he believes he is better than don't want him and the women he thinks of as in and above his league don't want him either than he is left with nothing.

So really what he is complaining about is his own loneliness. The rest of it is just him lashing out because thinking of it as society wronging him is way less depressing than seeing it as just his own loneliness.

(I know that sounds really cruel, but it pretty much boils down to that.)

 

[Sfguy94154]

The true taste of wine is all one flavor.

Plus, the OP's problem isn't with women.

It's that there are a whole lot of women who he thinks he is better than having a way better time with men who he thinks are better looking, more charming, and make more money than he does, while the women he thinks are in and above his league won't be with him unless they are charging by the hour.

So basically the women he feels he's better than have better options than him, while the women he thinks are at least on his level won't touch him without payment.

So if the women he believes he is better than don't want him and the women he thinks of as in and above his league don't want him either than he is left with nothing.

So really what he is complaining about is his own loneliness. The rest of it is just him lashing out because thinking of it as society wronging him is way less depressing than seeing it as just his own loneliness.

(I know that sounds really cruel, but it pretty much boils down to that.)

You are probably right. Tbh it seemed like a rant and i didnt get too far in. My apologies. I am actually a bit more in the cups than when i first posted so i apologize if I caused offense.

At least in the part I read, OP was saying he didn't think girls were hot even college ones, who "should" be hot, or whatever. My point is, i fuxking love them all. Its a blessing and a curse!

 

[Redrain]

You are probably right. Tbh it seemed like a rant and i didnt get too far in. My apologies. I am actually a bit more in the cups than when i first posted so i apologize if I caused offense.

At least in the part I read, OP was saying he didn't think girls were hot even college ones, who "should" be hot, or whatever. My point is, i fuxking love them all. Its a blessing and a curse!

I'd rather be the man who looks around and sees all the women who might want to be with him, than the man who looks around and sees only women "too dumb" to ever want to be with him!

Live it up man!

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Sticks and Stones may break my bones,
But names can never hurt me.
You may call me this and call me that...
But I still say McCain's daughter is fat!

 

[Michael_Choo]

Reading all these comments inspired a little idea: Start a retirement community for mongering men. Talk, laugh, eat, drink, smoke, and group van rides to amps every evening.

 

[Sintax]

Reading all these comments inspired a little idea: Start a retirement community for mongering men. Talk, laugh, eat, drink, smoke, and group van rides to amps every evening.

I thought that was The Villages.

 

[PorterD]

I probably should have asked this sooner but what do you think a good relationship looks and feels like?

I mean how would you expect a woman in a relationship with you to treat you? How would you expect her view you? How would you want her to feel about you and make you feel about yourself and her?

Would you be ok with her expecting you to be faithful and get mad at you or even break up with you if you weren't?

What about hobbying? Would you expect her to be ok with you hobbying or if she caught you and broke up with you would you see that as something wrong that she did vs something wrong that you did?

Can she go out with her friends without you?

Equally important, how do you feel you would treat her as a good boyfriend?

What do you think being a good partner means in terms how you treat her and make her feel.

You've said a lot about how you believe that good romantic relationships between are very rare these days.

Please tell me what do you think a good relationship actually looks like. How you would treat a woman you love and haw you would want her to treat you.

this would be a long and nuanced answer and not really relevant to this discussion. Because we’ve already documented on here the high and unrealistic expectations women have for men.

 

[PorterD]

I'd rather be the man who looks around and sees all the women who might want to be with him, than the man who looks around and sees only women "too dumb" to ever want to be with him!

Live it up man!

This does t work. As stated; unless you are a top 5% man; you are quite literally invisible to women.

Again- I suggest you setup a dating profile and try the experiment yourself or better yet try to pick up women in real life.

How many signals of interest do you currently get from women? Eye contact? Lingering in your vicinity? Attempting to chat with you? Ball park it. How often? One woman a month? One woman a year? Never?

 

[Redrain]

This does t work. As stated; unless you are a top 5% man; you are quite literally invisible to women.

Again- I suggest you setup a dating profile and try the experiment yourself or better yet try to pick up women in real life.

How many signals of interest do you currently get from women? Eye contact? Lingering in your vicinity? Attempting to chat with you? Ball park it. How often? One woman a month? One woman a year? Never?

Ok, so that is a complicated question because it depends on setting, and whether I approached them first.

In terms of catching random women looking at me and making eye contact or seeing her smile at me, I can honestly say that up until my early 40s it happened between once every one to two weeks.

It has definitely happened less often as I have gotten older, but I still catch a smile and a glance from time to time.

There were way more times when I initiated contact with and started a conversation with a random woman that I thought was pretty. Those times, at some point in the conversation, I almost always got an I-may-be-interested smile, or at least that's how I remember it.

This still happens sometimes. I will start a conversation with a woman on the train about something she is reading or watching and in the course of the conversation I catch a look of possible interest.

When I was in my twenties, single and going to bars and clubs with my buddies, pretty much every time we went out I got at least one I-may-be-interested look from a woman before speaking to her, and again I was way more likely to see that look during a conversation that I initiated.

There were times that women started conversations with me and gave me the I'm-interest-look before I said a word. There were also times that I started the conversation and they gave me the look during the course of the conversation.

Like I said, I'm a pretty average looking guy. I'm not rich or super charming.

These interactions lead to some long relationships, short relationships, good one, bad ones, and one-night-stands.

More than a few of them also let to getting the I-am-not-interested look.

But it's the woman that were interested that I remember not the ones that weren't.

And it was the act of approaching women (in the right setting) that lead to getting this look the most often.

 

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Ok, so that is a complicated question because it depends on setting, and whether I approached them first.

In terms of catching random women looking at me and making eye contact or seeing her smile at me, I can honestly say that up until my early 40s it happened between once every one to two weeks.

It has definitely happened less often as I have gotten older, but I still catch a smile and a glance from time to time.

There were way more times when I initiated contact with and started a conversation with a random woman that I thought was pretty. Those times, at some point in the conversation, I almost always got an I-may-be-interested smile, or at least that's how I remember it.

This still happens sometimes. I will start a conversation with a woman on the train about something she is reading or watching and in the course of the conversation I catch a look of possible interest.

When I was in my twenties, single and going to bars and clubs with my buddies, pretty much every time we went out I got at least one I-may-be-interested look from a woman before speaking to her, and again I was way more likely to see that look during a conversation that I initiated.

There were times that women started conversations with me and gave me the I'm-interest-look before I said a word. There were also times that I started the conversation and they gave me the look during the course of the conversation.

Like I said, I'm a pretty average looking guy. I'm not rich or super charming.

These interactions lead to some long relationships, short relationships, good one, bad ones, and one-night-stands.

More than a few of them also let to getting the I-am-not-interested look.

But it's the woman that were interested that I remember not the ones that weren't.

And it was the act of approaching women (in the right setting) that lead to getting this look the most often.

It’s really not great to look back a decade or more. Different times. If it doesn’t happen much now that you are older…. You are kind of making my point for me. It’s not your age. It’s how it is for most guys who aren’t in the top 5%. They get… nothing.

It sounds like even back in the day- you were the one putting in most of the effort and having to chase down women and essentially beg them to like you.

Again- you are making my point for me. In this day and age of “equality” why isn’t equally the woman’s job?

Ya know there are men who are chased by women- they are again- the top 5%. So in summary I feel like everything you’ve written above confirms what I’ve said.