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Have you ever fallen in love with a provider?

Koondog

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I think I'm perfectly comfortable allowing anybody interested in reading our respective contributions to this thread, in particular, to decide which one of us is actually capable of having a "meaningful discussion" about this topic and which one of us might have some very serious psychological issues relating to self-hatred, unresolved personal conflicts in the realm of sexuality, projection of that self-hatred and those conflicts onto women, and incredibly delusional levels of hypocrisy and rationalization.
lol capable of meaningful discussion. You mean you actually do take time out away from your gig as full-time psychoanalyst?
 

Zippy17

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Your contribution is 'there is nothing immoral about a woman selling her body' and 'you're wrong'. Well it's a point of view anyway. How 'meaningful' it is others can judge for themselves.
My previous "contribution" in this thread, and specifically in response to you, was that (1) Doing something for nothing but purient pleasure is even more "wrong" than doing the same thing to support one's self, (2) Announcing that your view is right and that someone else's is so wrong that there's no possible argument to the contrary without explaining why is a waste of your time writing it everybody else's time reading it, and (3) My question to you asking you why selling your body for money is absolutely the worst possible and most disgusting thing that a woman could ever do. If you want to have a "meaningful conversation" about any of this, it starts with your answering those 3 questions. Still as anxiously awaiting your clear-headed response and explanation as much as I was last week and several pages ago.
 

Koondog

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Again you justify in my view bad, immoral craven behavior as 'just another harmless way to make money'. Weak. You honestly don't see women who do this for a living as having a low moral character ? How is this possible? How you don't see how harmful this is to women is beyond me. The inability to have a real relationship with a man, the greed, the disease, forfeiting the chance for a happy monogamous life with a good man and raise a family. The lies and charade that must accompany the lifestyle. The family shame that comes with it. The hatred of men that inevitably comes. The inability to have a meaningful productive life.

The realization that the money earned came from selling over and over the most precious and sacred part of a woman that should be reserved for a life partner and no one else. I mean who goes around bragging that she slept with 2000 guys? These are emotionally broken women. They have given up on the idea of going through life the correct way, with dignity and self-respect. No self-respecting woman would ever become a prostitute, as I asked before it that even arguable? Do you think deep down she respects herself? Or that anyone else REALLY does? It's a selfish and terribly degrading lifestyle IMO. And I venture to guess 99% of all people who have ever lived would agree with me and see it as de-humanizing, for whatever that's worth.
 

Zippy17

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Any chance of your providing a direct answer to my direct questions? Or is it your idea of a "meaningful conversation" to completely ignore direct questions, requests that you explain your reasoning, while only shouting more of your opinions and announcements that anybody who disagrees with you must be wrong?
 

Koondog

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Any chance of your providing a direct answer to my direct questions? Or is it your idea of a "meaningful conversation" to completely ignore direct questions, requests that you explain your reasoning, while only shouting more of your opinions and announcements that anybody who disagrees with you must be wrong?
If you didn't find any answers to your questions in my replies I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how much more direct or clear I could have been.
 

Koondog

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1) I answered why doing something/anything to support yourself isn't alway right. Question 2 was more of a statement than a question 3) I spoke at length on why I think it's wrong. Re-read.
 

Zippy17

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lol capable of meaningful discussion. You mean you actually do take time out away from your gig as full-time psychoanalyst?
Dude. Nobody needs to be a "psychoanalyst" to know that you were raised in a very repressive religious household, that you have very serious psychological issues and conflicts about your own sexual needs and a lot of self-hatred, that you feel like you're a piece of shit for seeing providers, and that most of your comments about women are nothing but projection of all of that shit onto them. Your responses indicate quite clearly that you're totally incapable of having any kind of logical discussion about this stuff, because even on a so-called "whore board" where guys mostly come to find out which girls let them fuck them in their asses or cum in their mouths (etc.), your comments stand out as uniquely idiotic. How 'bout we agree to just disagree about everything?
 

Uniquelyme

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That's not what I'm saying. When you're interacting with someone, you make appropriate eye contact, obviously. Have you ever interacted with a gay guy at work or somewhere where you were a customer and he was working, but without picking up on anything from him at all indicating that he was attracted to you or feeling you out to see if you might not be entirely straight? That's how I talk to women unless they flirt with me first. Ever happen to talk to a gay guy who creeped you the fuck out, because even though he didn't actually say anything inappropriate, you could just tell that he was checking you out and/or fishing for any interest on your part because he was holding eye contact too long, looking you up and down, or otherwise "leaking" that he was interested in you? That's what I'm saying not to do to women. No more and no less.
Gotcha i mean that’s just giving Women attention for no reason that creates this false illusion that they are extremely special. When that just isn't the case. Men give beauty too much power.
 

Zippy17

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Doesn't it boil down to there's a time and a place.
Sort of, but I'd probably say "situation" over "time and place." I think the analogy with the gay guy works very well as a test for this. About the only situation where it's not rude and rightfully considered offensive to stare at women with sexual interest might be a strip club, AMP, or maybe a club where everybody's dressed provocatively and attention from the opposite sex is reasonably expected. At work or at a train station or some business waiting room? Not if you'd be annoyed by a gay guy staring at you in the same situation, whereas that might not be offensive in a club known to be a very mixed crowd in terms of sexual orientation. Basically, if you're anywhere else where you'd be annoyed by some dude staring at you with sexual interest, it probably is just as offensive for you to stare a woman up and down.
 

Uniquelyme

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Sort of, but I'd probably say "situation" over "time and place." I think the analogy with the gay guy works very well as a test for this. About the only situation where it's not rude and rightfully considered offensive to stare at women with sexual interest might be a strip club, AMP, or maybe a club where everybody's dressed provocatively and attention from the opposite sex is reasonably expected. At work or at a train station or some business waiting room? Not if you'd be annoyed by a gay guy staring at you in the same situation, whereas that might not be offensive in a club known to be a very mixed crowd in terms of sexual orientation. Basically, if you're anywhere else where you'd be annoyed by some dude staring at you with sexual interest, it probably is just as offensive for you to stare a woman up and down.
You can do it at clubs, lounges and bars and it's fine. But yes fair point.
 

Jpnt

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I don't get this or why you'd be content to live as a self-described hypocrite. One of the most important qualities or values a person can have is his integrity, which means not doing things, especially habitually, that you consider wrong.
I'd never excuse anything based on the nature of being a guy, which is how a lot of guys rationalize their justification for subscribing to double standards. However, there's no moral component or right and wrong about thoughts and desires that never leave your head. For one thing, thoughts and desires are involuntary. All that matters is whether or not you act on those thoughts and desires and whether or not those thoughts and desires "leak" into your outward behavior. A eunuch or a gay man don't get moral "credit" for being a gentleman for not leering at or being sexually crude towards women, because they don't even have that impulse in the first place. What makes you a gentleman is the fact that a hot woman you work with or know casually has never picked up the slightest clue from you you, or ever felt uncomfortable around you, because you've kept your thoughts entirely to yourself even though you can't help fantasizing about fucking her brains out. The fact that porn might increase those thoughts is a moot point, as long as it doesn't change your external behavior.

I once worked as an athletic director and shortly after I was hired, the executive director's hot secretary took me down to an unoccupied basement office to check an unused computer to see if it could work as my computer. She always wore 5" pumps and pencil skirts and she lead me down there walking in front of me. When she got to the pc, she bent over right in front of me so obviously that I knew she had to know exactly what she was doing, but I didn't know whether she had any intention of actually starting something with me or was just doing that because she liked teasing guys, as some women do, even when they have zero intention of doing anything with them. I pretended I didn't even notice, but the minute I got back to my office, I immediately locked the door and rubbed one out. About a month or two later, she asked me for a ride home after some public function we had to attend. During the month or so in between, she was the person I had to go to every time I needed anything printed out, because my office didn't yet have a printer, so I was in her office almost daily, and depending on what she was wearing, I'd sometimes have to rub one out as soon as I got back to my office. At some point during the conversation on the ride home from that function, she asked me about my training and diet and said something about my body...and then she asked me if I was attracted to her. That, right there, is what I'm talking about, because I gave her no clue that I'd even noticed her sexually until she asked me. Obviously, I told her that I was so attracted to her that I often had to take care of myself in my office after being in her office, starting with that first time that she bent over in front of me...and as soon as we parked outside her building, she had my dick out and down her throat. From then on, she'd call me sounding all professional, for the benefit of her coworkers nearby, about some work matter she needed to see me about...and then she'd come down to blow me. She said she'd have blown me right in that basement office that first time we were alone if I'd picked up on her hints, but she didn't think I even noticed her. That's the point: not too many guys are so horny that they immediately need to jerk off after talking to a girl in a hot skirt and heels, but even I don't let that influence how I interact with women unless I know they want something sexual from me.
Do you know if they are currently hiring?
 

bertie123

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not to the point of leaving my wife, but yeah

her friend and fellow owner warned me it's a dead end. i had a feeling anyway
there was a khazakstanian too. super sweet, but ,,,,
they're all like "falling in like". i aint that stupid
 

bertie123

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I'm dealing with one now smh. She's right off the boat and we connected and she doesn't charge me for shit. I asked her why n she said she needs money for a lawyer to get her green card to stay in the country. Saw the documents n everything. Trust this shit bothers me everyday. we're texting as I'm writing this too lol smh. It's hard to cut it off. Very nurturing. Nothing like these westernized women. It's not for show. Yes I know they are great actors lol
she prolly has a backup or two,,,,or maybe she HAS whittled it down to you after all
the next time you see her she'll say "i don't fuck anymore" = she found her someone else
 

Enkidu_10

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she prolly has a backup or two,,,,or maybe she HAS whittled it down to you after all
the next time you see her she'll say "i don't fuck anymore" = she found her someone else
They have tons of backups, lots of guys messaging them and wanting to go on dates, or even marry them. Even if they aren't interested it's kind of their job to talk to them. Really weird dynamic.
 
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