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Have you ever fallen in love with a provider?

Koondog

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"But to your point, yeah, I am sure NO ONE here would want there daughter to be in this life."

Yeah, I don't want this to turn into a lengthy discussion about people's value systems and morality lectures. This isn't the board for that. I do what I do, got hooked many years ago and I ain't proud of it. Agree with much of what you said. I will just say this and leave the topic: if there is really nothing wrong or shameful with what us mongers do, why aren't we telling our parents, our friends and everyone else in our life what we do? That goes for the providers especially too. I know... the question pretty much answers itself lol.
 

Zippy17

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if there is really nothing wrong or shameful with what us mongers do, why aren't we telling our parents, our friends and everyone else in our life what we do?
I do. All of my friends know, my wife knows, her friends who aren't clsoed-minded or too dopey to understand know, and my father would know if he were still alive. He knew of my life in strip clubs and was very nice to the nude dancer I once brought home to meet him.

Hmmm....you're saying a woman's greed and desire for the almighty buck excuses them and makes them actually virtuous and our moral betters in this debauchery thing of ours. Well...no, IMO any woman who lowers herself to becoming a prostitute has given up all self-worth and dignity. This is not really arguable. It's the lowest thing on earth a woman can do. The 'she really needs the money to pay the rent' excuse doesn't cut it'. Oh she needs money? So what, most people do. Throughout history 99% of women have been poor and had bills to pay but it would have never occurred to them to sell their bodies for money. Most would rather struggle through life and make the best life they can for themselves and keep their dignity than have meaningless dehumanizing degrading sex with multiple strangers every day.

Not saying us losers who can't find a girlfriend or decide that cheating on a spouse is good thing and a great recipe for a fulfilling life is a great thing. Far from it, it's not. But come on now, this 'selling drugs, prostitution, stealing--anything that pays the rent is fine' rationalizing is a bit much.
I apologize for wasting the time of someone of your intellect.
 

richardp2918

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A lot of people know what I do as well.
I tend to keep it pretty quiet except for a core group of male friends who have or do monger as well. Given the incredible disgust with which mongering is viewed in the US, this clip interviewing Japanese girls about prostitution was really eye opening. Hard to even believe.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mh0qlDk-8FA
 

Zippy17

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A lot of people know what I do as well.
Basically, anybody in my life who knows me knows, essentially, everything I do and don't do...the guys I skate with regularly know...and I once sent a guy who works for me over to Lears as a an informal "bonus"... I don't have any secrets from anybody who really knows me and this is something I feel absolutely zero shame about, whatsoever...and (obviously) I don't think the girls I see should, either...only the ones who use it to perpetrate crimes against or defraud their clients, as you described...
 

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Can't say I blame em. Be independent, get paid (make a great living) for doing something that comes natural and doesn't require a degree, have no one to answer to. Only down side is the negative connotation that line of work invokes, so you either have to live on the down low or be out in the open and take the criticism.
I'll comment on your comment since this thread went off topic lol. I did love a girl and she did care for me. There ARE good one's, mine had a good heart and I'd not dictate what she could do for work if we lived together. Her life her choice. Lost track of her when fire marshal shut her spot down, her wechat went dead. Just hope she's ok.
 

Zippy17

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Who did he see at Lear?
I gotta check the site for her name if she's still on the roster page, but this was 2 or 3 years ago...light-skinned Brazilian (I think)...Australian accent and perfect English (obviously)...grad student...bigger girl...all natural...think it was the only time she was here...she was on the West Side...I'd seen her once and realized she was just his type...
 

Zippy17

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I don't see her, but Jay would know...I doubt he had more than one Brazillian from Australia...and another example of a completely normal intelligent girl that nobody could have any legitimate concerns about as a person just because she did this for work...
 

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Don't think I ever had. Closest I've come to was a borderline infatuation with NYCVIP Momo which I attribute to her general demeanor and actually finding someone who was seemingly the same age.

Immediately stopped going to see her when I realized the infatuation was leading thoughts of where she ranked me as a client. Stuck with the older pros ("aunties") after that to have that built in distance. I will say that I do notice the longer I've hobbied, the more cynical I get. I even try to keep a certain mental distance from my regulars these days so it's hard to relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros.
 

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Well, don't think we would ever be on the same page so there is no point debating it. Would you encourage your daughter to be a prostitute? Tell her that it is a great and noble job, go for it and enjoy the work? Something tells me... no.
The actual point was that some of us feel we’re no better than them. which is considerably different than recommending it as a lifestyle to our daughters. No one other than you mentioned the word noble. You seem to have a different POV, which is fine.
 

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Don't think I ever had. Closest I've come to was a borderline infatuation with NYCVIP Momo which I attribute to her general demeanor and actually finding someone who was seemingly the same age.

Immediately stopped going to see her when I realized the infatuation was leading thoughts of where she ranked me as a client. Stuck with the older pros ("aunties") after that to have that built in distance. I will say that I do notice the longer I've hobbied, the more cynical I get. I even try to keep a certain mental distance from my regulars these days so it's hard to relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros.
You can click with a girl and see them on the outside, w/o falling in love or it meaning a serious relationship. Almost like friends with benefits or a fuck buddy.

Not sure how old you are or how much real relationship experience you have. Sometimes people just enjoy each others company. You like them, but you know it is nothing more.
 

Nycpimp

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You can click with a girl and see them on the outside, w/o falling in love or it meaning a serious relationship. Almost like friends with benefits or a fuck buddy.

Not sure how old you are or how much real relationship experience you have. Sometimes people just enjoy each others company. You like them, but you know it is nothing more.
The problem is nobody plans on falling in love it just happens.
i guess if your a young kid you cant tell the difference between love n lust And can fall into that rabbit hole
 

Zippy17

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Fuck me. I just can’t resist.
IMO any woman who lowers herself to becoming a prostitute has given up all self-worth and dignity. This is not really arguable.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if you’re in a conversation with someone who has a different opinion, there’s no such thing as “My opinion is right and there’s no argument that it’s not.” If you’re going to have the conversation, you need to be able to explain why your view is right and why someone else’s is wrong in objective terms. Clearly, many people here disagree with you and I’m going to take a very wild guess that we’re not any less intelligent or less formally educated than you are.

It's the lowest thing on earth a woman can do. The
Why is that?

Not saying us losers who can't find a girlfriend or decide that cheating on a spouse is good thing and a great recipe for a fulfilling life is a great thing.
I’m going to suggest that if you really consider yourself a loser who can’t find a girlfriend, that negative self-view probably has a lot to do with why you’re making such nasty characterizations and comments about women who choose to have sex for money, especially since you pay them to do what you think is “the lowest thing on earth that a woman can do.”
But come on now, this 'selling drugs, prostitution, stealing--anything that pays the rent is fine' rationalizing is a bit much.
Not “anything” and it’s not a “rationalization” if someone can articulate an objective principle that justifies a distinction. Stealing and (some forms of) drug dealing hurt other people, which is what makes them objectively immoral and wrong. Prostitution, at least of the type we’re discussing on this forum, doesn’t hurt other people; and even if you want to argue that it hurts the person doing it (which is not necessarily true), it’s not “immoral” to do something that’s harmful only to yourself.

Anxiously awaiting your well-reasoned response.
 

Zippy17

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Immediately stopped going to see her when I realized the infatuation was leading thoughts of where she ranked me as a client. Stuck with the older pros ("aunties") after that to have that built in distance. I will say that I do notice the longer I've hobbied, the more cynical I get. I even try to keep a certain mental distance from my regulars these days so it's hard to relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros
If you think it’s “hard to relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros,” you should read what you, yourself, just wrote. You’ve experienced infatuation with a provider and started caring about how much she liked you vs. her other clients. You said that you purposely have to build in some distance and that you have to make a conscious decision to “keep a certain mental distance from” your regulars, right? So, you’ve experienced, firsthand, feeling more for some girls than something strictly impersonal and transactional, right? If you couldn’t possibly handle or deal with dating a provider, that’s fine and that’s your decision to make, and it’s not something you have to justify to anybody.

However, you might be the last person here who can suggest that you “can’t relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros” because you’ve just described experiencing that same impulse, and to such a degree that you had to make conscious choices to reduce it, artificially, or to prevent yourself from having that impulse. The only real difference between you and “the people who legit click with some of these” girls is that they’ve allowed themselves to feel whatever they were feeling, whereas you found that having that impulse made you uncomfortable enough to take steps designed to protect yourself from what you found yourself starting to feel, naturally. Maybe you can’t relate to anybody who would actually follow through on those feelings or embrace them, but just by your own words, it’s apparent that you certainly can “relate” to guys who develop feelings for or “click” with a provider. Don’t take my word for it; just re-read your own words.
 

thieftakergeneral

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If you think it’s “hard to relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros,” you should read what you, yourself, just wrote. You’ve experienced infatuation with a provider and started caring about how much she liked you vs. her other clients. You said that you purposely have to build in some distance and that you have to make a conscious decision to “keep a certain mental distance from” your regulars, right? So, you’ve experienced, firsthand, feeling more for some girls than something strictly impersonal and transactional, right? If you couldn’t possibly handle or deal with dating a provider, that’s fine and that’s your decision to make, and it’s not something you have to justify to anybody.

However, you might be the last person here who can suggest that you “can’t relate to the people who legit click with some of these pros” because you’ve just described experiencing that same impulse, and to such a degree that you had to make conscious choices to reduce it, artificially, or to prevent yourself from having that impulse. The only real difference between you and “the people who legit click with some of these” girls is that they’ve allowed themselves to feel whatever they were feeling, whereas you found that having that impulse made you uncomfortable enough to take steps designed to protect yourself from what you found yourself starting to feel, naturally. Maybe you can’t relate to anybody who would actually follow through on those feelings or embrace them, but just by your own words, it’s apparent that you certainly can “relate” to guys who develop feelings for or “click” with a provider. Don’t take my word for it; just re-read your own words.
Hmm...perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully, as in part yea, I also can't relate to anybody that will follow through said feelings. But to be honest, I wouldn't exactly count "infatuation" as clicking. In my mind, clicking is a bit more reciprocal? Would a cute waitress being nice to me count as "clicking" or is it just good service/part of the illusion.

And with regards to my "conscious decision to keep distance from my regulars"....I perceive it as a nipping it in the bud type of situation (but I guess chicken v egg argument here). They're older/MILF age (I'd wager 5-10yrs) so naturally I wouldn't feel as inclined to "develop feelings." Plus one of them is Korean w. fairly [limited] English at least to/with me, so conversations are never that deep. I'm cordial with the Chinese one, but for me, I just assume everything they say/do is part of the illusion so I will say that the fact one can click beyond that first level of superficiality/fakeness is hard to relate to.
 

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If you're interested in having this conversation, I'm happy to address each point:
I also can't relate to anybody that will follow through said feelings.
That position makes much more sense, because it isn't inconsistent with the rest of what you said, initially. I think the main difference between guys who can't or can't relate to following through with feelings for promiscuous women -- or for women with a promiscuous past -- is simply whether or not female sexual liberation and/or promiscuity triggers his male jealousy and/or insecurity, because that's a natural tendency to which males have evolved and because it's been greatly reinforced by social learning and the predominance of the gender-based double standard about sexual morality. Not every man buys into that and/or is intimidated or turned off by her sexuality.
wouldn't exactly count "infatuation" as clicking. In my mind, clicking is a bit more reciprocal? Would a cute waitress being nice to me count as "clicking" or is it just good service/part of the illusion.
Infatuation often is one-sided and, especially for men, is largely a function of physical attraction and nothing more. You've described experiencing that for sexworkers, so you already know that's something that can definitely happen; and when actual sex is involved, it's much more powerful than when it's just based on unconsummated admiration. Yes, I'd define "clicking" as requiring mutuality, but sometimes people are shitty judges of how mutual it is, such as where one person thinks a (regular) date went great and only finds out by asking for the second date (or waiting for that call) that it wasn't really all that mutual. Clicking, for me, requires a substantial conversational component and it can definitely happen with sexworkers. However, I also think it's possible to click quite intensely with someone purely based on mutual attraction and (especially) sexual chemistry. I'm not talking specifically about sexworkers, but also about situations where two people hook up and share an intense mutual desire to be together, notwithstanding the fact that there's a language barrier. Obviously, they can't share their complex thoughts and values nonverbally, but that kind of thing has happened many times, such as when foreign-deployed soldiers and local women fall in love first, and only learn one another's language afterwards.

As a thought experiment, imagine that you and a gorgeous woman found yourselves stranded alone on an island for a year before being rescued. Imagine that you have passionate sex, sleep in one another's arms for a year, and establish a living routine, complete with gestures of kindness, mutual concern, consideration, appreciation, and affection, but without a common language. Even without being able to communicate verbally very well, I think you could very easily come to love one another very genuinely (first) and make the effort to learn languages afterwards. This isn't meant to describe anything that happens with a sexworker, but it simply illustrates that mutual love doesn't necessarily require as much verbal communication as you might assume.
And with regards to my "conscious decision to keep distance from my regulars"....I perceive it as a nipping it in the bud type of situation (but I guess chicken v egg argument here).
Yes, that would definitely be nipping it in the bud, precisely because you realize that it's certainly possible to have the same reactions as pertain to emotions and attachment that typically occur between men and women who meet in more traditional ways, even if you first meet for transactional sex. Chickens and eggs doesn't really apply, because that's about not being able to tell which of two causally-dependent things comes first, and I don't think any guy hasn't experienced (both) intense infatuation before knowing anything about a woman, as well as the more gradual development of emotional attachment only after getting to know someone, first. It can happen in either order as well as simultaneously, and presents no such chicken-or-egg philosophical paradox.
I just assume everything they say/do is part of the illusion so I will say that the fact one can click beyond that first level of superficiality/fakeness is hard to relate to.
If someone has the specific intention of faking the mutuality component of what we're referring to as "clicking," then yes, it can be very convincing. Some providers are very good at doing this, just as are many men who purposely do the same on first dates with women they just want to fuck. That doesn't necesarily mean either that providers and clients never genuinely click mutually or that every guy who lays on the charm on a first (traditional) date is only interested in her pussy. If you think you might be clicking with a provider, you can choose not to act on it, or even to limit or stop seeing her, if that's what you prefer. If you're open to following through on it, there's a very simple test that's pretty reliable: ask her if she'd like to meet you for lunch or dinner (or whatever) while making clear that it's because you'd like to get know her better and that there are no sexual expectations. If she says yes and doesn't ask for compensation, that's a pretty reliable indicator that the potential interest is mutual.
 

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The statement about the daughter is a very good point.
Personally, I do not look down on providers.
The honest ones, anyway. The "Cardi-B hustlin' hoes" who do things like drugging men and stealing from them are filth.
But the ones I see, for the most part, are mostly honest and up front.
I'm pretty f-ing grateful for cute young providers.
Damn, I can't even IMAGINE having to date these middle aged cows out there. I couldn't foresee any scenario where I'd be with one of them.
I'd be one of those "MGTOW" guys who lives like a monk.

But to your point, yeah, I am sure NO ONE here would want there daughter to be in this life.
And for that matter, I am equally sure no one here would want there son to be a habitual monger, like all of us.
100% agree, I would not want my son to be a monger, because it changes your perspective on girls in general.
 
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