Have you ever fallen in love with a provider?

[Sadluckclub21]

It's never a good idea to make sweeping generalizations based on few anecdotal data points.

And suggesting that foreign born sex workers have no feelings reduces them to sub human.

Yes, they might be making decisions based on a horizon line we can not see, but at the end of the day they are people with a full range of human experiences. And some are capable and available for connections that go deeper than transactional.

I appreciate your thoughts and I agree. But the fact that we are all on this site means we all consider them sub human. Why are you on this site if you were not looking for some V? To be fair, the providers know this as well and they play the game because in the end, we think with our little heads and not the big ones, and they capitalize on that. If they are making 20-50k a month, do you think they are going to choose you over that? There is a reason they got into the business (debts, children, etc), not to marry some bloke who is going to provide a mediocre life. If they do marry, it’s because they have won the lotto to some poor sap who couldn’t find a woman any other way.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

. If they do marry, it’s because they have won the lotto to some poor sap who couldn’t find a woman any other way.

Anyone can "find a woman".
The problem is that only 10% of them are fuckable (IMO, anyways). Many guys out there in civvie land are ok with being with one of the other 90%. I suspect most guys here are not.

 

[hamilton2015]

Actually, that is not the case. I have hung out with them many times and hear them talk as a group, and they tend to treat it as a VIP situation. It is all business. Their emotions are non-existent. The only thing that motivates them is the money. In the end, many of them have no intention of staying, but making enough money and returning to the homeland.

Yes money is important to them but they still have feelings. It's why they may stop seeing a client if they find themselves getting emotional attached, getting too excited when a particular client reaches out to them, offering extras that go well beyond and not looking for money or staying longer with a client. Most of these things aren't because of the money they are getting a from a client....they get enough money. It's because they do have emotions. I'm not saying they are sacrificing that for their big picture goals or financial motivations but they have emotions that affect them just like we do.

Also a woman will lie in front of a group of other women to not feel like an outsider. So even if she has feelings for a client she may not say so with other pros to not feel ashamed or weak.

 

[hamilton2015]

The underlying issue really is how a provider and client meet. Even if there are feelings for each other....it takes a lot of maturity, commitment,and vulnerability from both sides to make something real given how they have met. And often neither or one of the parties isn't willing to do that work for whatever reason.

 

[Enkidu_10]

Actually, that is not the case. I have hung out with them many times and hear them talk as a group, and they tend to treat it as a VIP situation. It is all business. Their emotions are non-existent. The only thing that motivates them is the money. In the end, many of them have no intention of staying, but making enough money and returning to the homeland.

Can you elaborate, like what is your claim? That these girls who see hundreds of men a month, are going to hangout for free with a customer on their own time because maybe they will see them more at the spa.

 

[Zippy17]

But the fact that we are all on this site means we all consider them sub human.

Please speak only for yourself and don't paint anybody else with your personal beliefs, especially when you say something so incredibly ridiculous and obnoxious. If you really believe that a woman's choice to become a sex worker makes her "sub-human," you have such serious psychosexual issues going on, yourself, that you stand out as a very scary individual, even on a site like this one.

 

[BonerMaloney]

One thing is for sure, any post above that contains a sentence that starts with "They all..." is pure BS.

There are many kinds of businesses reviewed here, the upscale FS AMPS, the dingy basement FHs in Sunset Park, the HE only places, etc. Within those places there are many different women from many different places with many different motivations.

I'm not that prolific, and most of the women I see are UTRs, a few of whom I met in "the business" but no longer are. But, over the years I've made a few friends, gotten to know their personal stories. A few I'm friends enough with and meet just to hang out, i.e. we never fuck but might meet on a nice day and sit in the park and schmooze. Their backgrounds and origin stories are quite varied. Some are sad to hear, some are not. Some of these women are living the life they're looking for, doing and experiencing things their contemporaries back home cannot. (E.g. take a group trip to Yellowstone.) Some are not, they're only doing this to send money back to family or save up to buy a house back home. Some have addictions and are blowing it all away on cocaine and hook... handbags. Some have raised a family here, including kids who've graduated college. At least one told me she was saving up for school here, with quite specific realistic details, and given how articulate and intelligent she seems, not to mention how young she seems to be, I can believe her.

Whatever their origin story is, the only thing they seem to have in common now is that they're different. And almost all are immigrants.

 

[Black_equus]

I appreciate your thoughts and I agree. But the fact that we are all on this site means we all consider them sub human. Why are you on this site if you were not looking for some V? To be fair, the providers know this as well and they play the game because in the end, we think with our little heads and not the big ones, and they capitalize on that. If they are making 20-50k a month, do you think they are going to choose you over that? There is a reason they got into the business (debts, children, etc), not to marry some bloke who is going to provide a mediocre life. If they do marry, it’s because they have won the lotto to some poor sap who couldn’t find a woman any other way.

Interesting perspective.

However, your general animus towards SW is obvious and I imagine it colors how SW relate to you.

If you treat SW as subhuman, they will respond accordingly and see you as a walking ATM to be exploited as much as possible.


Also, I reject your premise that everyone on this site sees SW as subhumans. There are a wide variety of members here all with there own perspectives. Best if you just speak for yourself, as no one can argue about how you feel, and leave everyone else out of your generalizations.

 

[solomon_456]

Also, I reject your premise that everyone on this site sees SW as subhumans.

Absolutely. This has never come to my mind, I’ve always seen SW’s as service providers and me paying for that service

 

[BonerMaloney]

But the fact that we are all on this site means we all consider them sub human

Not trying to pile on, but the term you used struck a nerve that no one mentioned. You should consider where and when "sub human" was used over the past 100 hundred years. There's a LOT of tragic and cruel vicious violence where it was used to justify.

I'm assuming you typed quickly and whatever came to mind, and that you meant something less than its full meaning. (If I'm wrong, then I agree that you need help and also if I owned a shop I'd ban you yesterday and never let you spend a penny there)

 

[Nycpimp]

Anyone can "find a woman".
The problem is that only 10% of them are fuckable (IMO, anyways). Many guys out there in civvie land are ok with being with one of the other 90%. I suspect most guys here are not.

Not with your taste lol . You want the cream of the crop