AMP Reviews
  • You asked and we delivered! AMPReviews now provides the option to upgrade to VIP access via paid subscription as an alternative to writing your own reviews. VIP Access allows you to read all the hidden content within member-submitted reviews AND gives access to private VIP-only forums in each city. You can upgrade your account INSTANTLY by visiting the Account Upgrades page in your own user profile and using a valid credit card to purchase a subscription. You can get to this page by clicking the link in any review, by clicking the red "See the Details Now" banner on the home page, and by clicking the Purchase Private Details link in the navbar at the top of every page

Adios New Jersey

Status
Not open for further replies.

charliebrown

Review Contributor
Messages: 2,751
Reviews: 179
Joined
Cops are doing well in New Jersey under the new “burnout law.”

Retire after 20 years at any age. Cops can retire at 40, take a pension, and find new employment.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/n...nt-new-jersey-police-firefighters/7300133002/
So, Murphy thinks paying people 50% of their salary the rest of their nature lives is a good idea? If it is a move to reduce the workforce then it might actually work.

It is only good for two years so NJ will see how many people jump off the ship.
 

njlefty

Registered Member
Messages: 2,418
Reviews: 5
Joined
So, Murphy thinks paying people 50% of their salary the rest of their nature lives is a good idea? If it is a move to reduce the workforce then it might actually work.

It is only good for two years so NJ will see how many people jump off the ship.
I have some retired LE in my family. They were happy to get out with at least 25 years of service, but they needed the age. Were they burnt out? Yes, they were.

This might create more turnover, which is not a good thing. Experienced officers do make a difference.
 

East Lake II

Review Contributor
Messages: 2,962
Reviews: 90
Joined
I have some retired LE in my family. They were happy to get out with at least 25 years of service, but they needed the age. Were they burnt out? Yes, they were.

This might create more turnover, which is not a good thing. Experienced officers do make a difference.
I would also think that letting them retire before they become hardened and jaded might also be a good thing. Murphy is probably trying to change the the make up of LE. Watch who replaces those who retire.
 

AutomaticSlim

Shush...
Messages: 6,930
Reviews: 133
Joined
With people living into their late 80s and 90s, the debt burden the pensions cause on municipalities has become unreasonable.
I would propose the collection not start until the individual turns 65 (at the least).
Although I realize this would cause an uproar in the communities (police/firemen/etc...) that benefit from this contract.
But these folks are able to get very good employment due to their 20 years of experience in these highly specialized organizations.
Why should a security consultant making a 6 figure income from their experience have a need for a full police pension?
If wounded in the line of duty and unable to work, then yes, sure, collect at 40 something.
But an able bodied middle age man? No.
 

njlefty

Registered Member
Messages: 2,418
Reviews: 5
Joined
With people living into their late 80s and 90s, the debt burden the pensions cause on municipalities has become unreasonable.
I would propose the collection not start until the individual turns 65 (at the least).
Although I realize this would cause an uproar in the communities (police/firemen/etc...) that benefit from this contract.
But these folks are able to get very good employment due to their 20 years of experience in these highly specialized organizations.
Why should a security consultant making a 6 figure income from their experience have a need for a full police pension?
If wounded in the line of duty and unable to work, then yes, sure, collect at 40 something.
But an able bodied middle age man? No.
I agree, but frankly, these days, no one gives a shit about debt. Even people run up debt in their own lives. The idea of debt has been dead for over a generation.
 

njlefty

Registered Member
Messages: 2,418
Reviews: 5
Joined
And you left new jersey because the taxes where high.
And the taxes were high because..
I also wanted a change of scenery and milder winters where I could golf year round. I like it here.

I never minded contributing via taxes to the public schools in my town, but my neighbors and others with kids always voted for the largest budgets and gave the schools whatever they wanted. The idea of thinking of the burdens this placed on others was foreign to them. Their kids first, other people be damned.

So I got out.
 

East Lake II

Review Contributor
Messages: 2,962
Reviews: 90
Joined
Well, I see a bunch of happy civil servants packing up and leaving NJ. Yes, they will be replaced with social workers with four year degrees. If things get better because of this, maybe people will start moving into NJ instead of leaving.
Touch freely social workers are going to help? They are going to fix NJ’s problems?
 

bklynirish

Registered Member
Messages: 121
Reviews: 12
Joined
I have some retired LE in my family. They were happy to get out with at least 25 years of service, but they needed the age. Were they burnt out? Yes, they were.

This might create more turnover, which is not a good thing. Experienced officers do make a difference.
Pretty soon the teachers will get this also.
 

littledee

Registered Member
Messages: 281
Reviews: 5
Joined
With people living into their late 80s and 90s, the debt burden the pensions cause on municipalities has become unreasonable.
I would propose the collection not start until the individual turns 65 (at the least).
Although I realize this would cause an uproar in the communities (police/firemen/etc...) that benefit from this contract.
But these folks are able to get very good employment due to their 20 years of experience in these highly specialized organizations.
Why should a security consultant making a 6 figure income from their experience have a need for a full police pension?
If wounded in the line of duty and unable to work, then yes, sure, collect at 40 something.
But an able bodied middle age man? No.
They take and take and take. The cops sitting at construction sites hired by the company in the city patrol suv for 8-10 hours a day $50-60 an hour making OT up the ass. Regular cop retire at 50 years old or less. Fat pension. Get another job. say makin 75K a year so combined they making 140-150K/yr. Pension should start at 65 not matter what age they retire! Its a ripoff. If i could I'd be outta here tomorrow. Murphy has his head up his you know what.
 

njlefty

Registered Member
Messages: 2,418
Reviews: 5
Joined
They take and take and take. The cops sitting at construction sites hired by the company in the city patrol suv for 8-10 hours a day $50-60 an hour making OT up the ass. Regular cop retire at 50 years old or less. Fat pension. Get another job. say makin 75K a year so combined they making 140-150K/yr. Pension should start at 65 not matter what age they retire! Its a ripoff. If i could I'd be outta here tomorrow. Murphy has his head up his you know what.
In the town adjacent to where I lived in New Jersey, a poorer town, a police sergeant with about 10-15 years service had an average salary of $145,000. The police chief was over $200,000.

The median income in that town was about $50,000. This type of thing is not sustainable for communities. But the police have their blind supporters, both on this site and in general. You’ll never see a change because of that.
 

East Lake II

Review Contributor
Messages: 2,962
Reviews: 90
Joined
NJ vaccine hesitancy: if the government sent around a mobile unit with people knocking on my door. I would be even more hesitant. That would for sure drive me out of the state.

Some of the “commercials” if you can call them that that for the vaccine are a bit over the top.

“But the governor also warned the state is “beginning to see” hesitancy among residents prompting a reduced demand for the vaccine. He said the state is brainstorming ways to “proactively reach” into communities to drum up support for the vaccine — including possibly using mobile units, public service announcements, working with businesses and “maybe knocking on your door.”
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top