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Adios New Jersey
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I don't think that is classic for those labeled 'boomers', most people in my 'boomer peer group' adhere to the script that whatever your beginnings are, work your ass off, make no excuses if things don't always go your way, whatever you recieve for your efforts were earned, don't be ashamed of your success, give generously, live your way and when the time comes, pass the rest down to your heirs. But then, I started out as a plumber and pipefitter, I din't know much about other peer groups.
I respectfully disagree. Boomers benefited from extremely low cost of everything (college, housing in particular) and basically sucked the social security and medicare systems into a deficit. Not only that, but they also enjoyed unparalleled job opportunities during America's fastest period of economic growth as they came of age. Many boomers claim they got successful on the back of their own hard work, oblivious to the huge economic and demographic tailwinds that favored them at every turn.
Now, like the OP, they mostly whine about paying taxes back into the system to give the next generation a similar opportunity. Their lack of self-awareness is staggering, but that feels understandable for the generation that abandoned "free love" for "trickle down" as soon as it suited their selfish interests.
Now, like the OP, they mostly whine about paying taxes back into the system to give the next generation a similar opportunity. Their lack of self-awareness is staggering, but that feels understandable for the generation that abandoned "free love" for "trickle down" as soon as it suited their selfish interests.
Got a letter today from the NJ Division of Taxation today.
Am thinking, oh shit, what now???
It was a property tax rebate for $375.
Am thinking, oh shit, what now???
It was a property tax rebate for $375.
I left a few years ago, liked where I lived, but I could have moved across the river to PA and saved $40K a year on NJ income and real estate taxes. They screw you while you live there, screw you on the way out, and if you die in NJ, they rob you with their estate tax limit and rates. We had multiple trusts to make sure that if we died, we wern't robbed.
You're right, we didn't earn our success. I better go back and rewatch all those PBS show's on the 60's and 70's to remind me of all the great handouts we were given.
Even with the above it was pretty good.
Classic boomer mentality. "I remember this one thing was kinda hard, so my whole life was hard! "
GDP growth averaged 5%+ for 1960-1980, and wages actually grew even faster, despite oil prices moving from absurdly/ridiculously cheap in 1970 to not so cheap by 1976 (and then falling precipitously after)
Vietnam draft? Please. US has been fighting 2 wars for going on 20 years, the Vietnam draft was 8 years. Oh, and back then we actually took care of vets when they came back home. We don't need a draft anymore because about half of every budget goes to our military, anyway.
GDP growth averaged 5%+ for 1960-1980, and wages actually grew even faster, despite oil prices moving from absurdly/ridiculously cheap in 1970 to not so cheap by 1976 (and then falling precipitously after)
Vietnam draft? Please. US has been fighting 2 wars for going on 20 years, the Vietnam draft was 8 years. Oh, and back then we actually took care of vets when they came back home. We don't need a draft anymore because about half of every budget goes to our military, anyway.
Most of us here are willing to have a civil discourse, but apparently you think it is ok to come here and insult people you never met and know nothing about, put them down, use meme's to try to summarize their life, then invent a narrative that fits whatever need you are trying to fulfill, and impose it upon those you insult as if it was even close to true.
What kind of a person has the need to do that? Don't answer. We know.
Your entire exchange here of name calling and 'i had it worse than you' is childish. But that wasn't enough, you felt a need to discredit the impact of Vietnam, dishonor those that served and disgrace yourself with your caviler...'Vietnam draft? Please..."
You dismissed Vietnam as nothing, and by that you dismissed the 3.4 million young men and women who were deployed to SE Asia in that 11 year war, you dismissed the 58,000 battle and in-theater deaths, the 32,000 not-in-theater deaths, the 150,000 plus who were physically wounded, the many multiples of that who suffer in other ways...and the vetrans with your 'Vietnam draft? Please..."
And then you Try to sell this? "Oh, and back then we actually took care of vets when they came back home"
Clueless.
You can try to rewrite history but you can't rewrite what you just posted, or what you writings proved you to be.
Good luck on your personal attack campaign, I'll have nothing to do with you and encourage others to treat you the same.
What kind of a person has the need to do that? Don't answer. We know.
Your entire exchange here of name calling and 'i had it worse than you' is childish. But that wasn't enough, you felt a need to discredit the impact of Vietnam, dishonor those that served and disgrace yourself with your caviler...'Vietnam draft? Please..."
You dismissed Vietnam as nothing, and by that you dismissed the 3.4 million young men and women who were deployed to SE Asia in that 11 year war, you dismissed the 58,000 battle and in-theater deaths, the 32,000 not-in-theater deaths, the 150,000 plus who were physically wounded, the many multiples of that who suffer in other ways...and the vetrans with your 'Vietnam draft? Please..."
And then you Try to sell this? "Oh, and back then we actually took care of vets when they came back home"
Clueless.
You can try to rewrite history but you can't rewrite what you just posted, or what you writings proved you to be.
Good luck on your personal attack campaign, I'll have nothing to do with you and encourage others to treat you the same.
I don't recall calling you any names.
Only point I made, which nobody has refuted yet, is the classic boomer mentality to not want to contribute back to the system that favored them for basically their whole lives. This was sparked by the OP gloating that he won't have to contribute to local schools and daycare by moving out to the south, where no doubt property taxes are lower and all sorts of social services are underfunded (resulting in several of those states ranking the worst in the country in education, child mortality, crime, and various other metrics).
He responded by posting a pic highlighting an accomplishment of the Greatest Generation (the moon landing) and not his own.
Were the 60s/70s perfect? Not sure I ever said that. But those hardships were more than outweighed by huge benefits - particularly wages, job opportunities, and low cost of housing and real estate. Later generations did not have those benefits but still experienced a number of recessions, wars, and runaway inflation for any good that would help them create wealth.
Boomers (maybe not YOU, but as a generational cohort) have wrecked the US economy, probably beyond repair with their "me first, me only" attitude. The responses in this thread only underscore that attitude. It's a really a shame.
Only point I made, which nobody has refuted yet, is the classic boomer mentality to not want to contribute back to the system that favored them for basically their whole lives. This was sparked by the OP gloating that he won't have to contribute to local schools and daycare by moving out to the south, where no doubt property taxes are lower and all sorts of social services are underfunded (resulting in several of those states ranking the worst in the country in education, child mortality, crime, and various other metrics).
He responded by posting a pic highlighting an accomplishment of the Greatest Generation (the moon landing) and not his own.
Were the 60s/70s perfect? Not sure I ever said that. But those hardships were more than outweighed by huge benefits - particularly wages, job opportunities, and low cost of housing and real estate. Later generations did not have those benefits but still experienced a number of recessions, wars, and runaway inflation for any good that would help them create wealth.
Boomers (maybe not YOU, but as a generational cohort) have wrecked the US economy, probably beyond repair with their "me first, me only" attitude. The responses in this thread only underscore that attitude. It's a really a shame.
I think this is off topic for the original discussion about the cost of living in NJ compared to NC. Belongs in the politics and rants thread now, as it seems someone has some pent up anger with his parents to vent about.
I'd just say that age 62, at no point in my life have I felt that veterans, and in particular disabled veterans, have never been fairly treated by this country the way they deserve to be.
I'd just say that age 62, at no point in my life have I felt that veterans, and in particular disabled veterans, have never been fairly treated by this country the way they deserve to be.
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