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Wondering what exactly PSE implies
- Thread starter Scooby66
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PSE definitely does NOT imply BBFS.
GFE experience, akin to a loving affectionate experience that resembles one with an actual girlfriend. Could be a full hour of face to face sex, completely lip-locked the entire time. Lovey dovey, major eye contact, deep passionate kissing…..intensely emotional, as if you’re deeply in love or falling in love.
PSE experience, akin to a wild sex romp, not with a ton of googly eyed affection, but instead an abundance of passion and the intent of fucking your partners brains out. Expect your partner to be more aggressive than gentle. Lots of position switches, incl non-traditional angles like you’d see in a porn flick. Not about mimicking a lovemaking experience with the love of your life at all. Strictly sexual gratification is what PSEs all about. Intensely physical.
GFE experience, akin to a loving affectionate experience that resembles one with an actual girlfriend. Could be a full hour of face to face sex, completely lip-locked the entire time. Lovey dovey, major eye contact, deep passionate kissing…..intensely emotional, as if you’re deeply in love or falling in love.
PSE experience, akin to a wild sex romp, not with a ton of googly eyed affection, but instead an abundance of passion and the intent of fucking your partners brains out. Expect your partner to be more aggressive than gentle. Lots of position switches, incl non-traditional angles like you’d see in a porn flick. Not about mimicking a lovemaking experience with the love of your life at all. Strictly sexual gratification is what PSEs all about. Intensely physical.
Exactly what Topjimmy said. If you go over to any Escorts discussion forum/reddit/PD private forum you'll get the exact same definition. Only newb mongers, mongers trying to use euphemisms to avoid bans, and orgs trying to mislead you with an upsell use GFE to mean BBBJ and PSE to mean BBFS which I will continue to crusade against. Actual GFE vs PSE are distinct experience and styles that is important to both the provider and the client seeking his preferred experience. I've seen some people double down on insisting GFE means BBBJ because they've "never had a girlfriend who does CBJ" well no shit, I never had a girlfriend who takes money for sex. If you consider a provider who doesn't offer face to face intimacy, caressing, touching, kissing, etc. then you need better girlfriends because that's far more defining of GFE than BBBJ.
With that definition in mind vast majority of providers are actually NOT GFE whether amongst Asians or White American or Latina or AA girls; they want to reserve that for their romantic partner. I was even flamed once asking on the AskAnEscort Reddit about certain elements of my experience until I clarified I only specifically look for GFE girls then they backed off and actually answered my question, because most American providers have hard boundaries that make GFE impossible.
The unfortunate reality is that there's also a large number of providers who are neither, and just lay as a deadfish in bed. That's why we need accurate reports to actually identify if a provider is more Girlfriend or Pornstar style (or neither) in the experience they deliver.
That said, from the 3 providers I've had at TKG I can attest that they're legitimately GFE, and word is that is the case with their affiliated org, too.
Speaking of TKG, as the two terms refer to distinct services that aren't mutually inclusive nor is it necessarily mutually exclusive, I would argue some girls deliver both. I'm leaving the name out for now since I'm not sure if this should be in a report or if I'm going to inadvertantly come off as shilling/making an ad - She is CFS only but delivers amazing GFE as well has having extremely high stamina and endurance for CG and skillful in multiple positions.
With that definition in mind vast majority of providers are actually NOT GFE whether amongst Asians or White American or Latina or AA girls; they want to reserve that for their romantic partner. I was even flamed once asking on the AskAnEscort Reddit about certain elements of my experience until I clarified I only specifically look for GFE girls then they backed off and actually answered my question, because most American providers have hard boundaries that make GFE impossible.
The unfortunate reality is that there's also a large number of providers who are neither, and just lay as a deadfish in bed. That's why we need accurate reports to actually identify if a provider is more Girlfriend or Pornstar style (or neither) in the experience they deliver.
That said, from the 3 providers I've had at TKG I can attest that they're legitimately GFE, and word is that is the case with their affiliated org, too.
Speaking of TKG, as the two terms refer to distinct services that aren't mutually inclusive nor is it necessarily mutually exclusive, I would argue some girls deliver both. I'm leaving the name out for now since I'm not sure if this should be in a report or if I'm going to inadvertantly come off as shilling/making an ad - She is CFS only but delivers amazing GFE as well has having extremely high stamina and endurance for CG and skillful in multiple positions.
Some interesting comments after mine. I don't disagree with anything, but just to clarify what I wrote above, my reply was based on the narrow context of SF Bay Area/LA K-AAMPs (where PSE almost universally means BBFS on top of GFE) and New York GFE spots (where PSE usually means the same thing).
Of course there is a vast universe of providers outside of those types of places, so other points raised are well taken.
Of course there is a vast universe of providers outside of those types of places, so other points raised are well taken.
If you are seeing k girls in the bay area, PSE=BBFS. Every thing else YMMV. It doesn't mean a wild time or porn star experience like some these clueless people are mentioning. Now certain orgs are known for having exclusively PSE girls so they don't need to advertise it on there website. While others have to distinguish the difference because they a mix of condom using girls (GFE) and ones who are open to not using them (PSE). The girls style has nothing to do when these are used to describe them on their websites. Some GFE love kissing, some dont. Same with PSE girls. It's all YMMV. If you want to find out which girls like kissing it requires doing research, nothing on a advertisement website will give you this information.
I think top jimmy pretty much nailed it.
I would go a little further and say there are gray crossover areas as well.
To me, bbfs may or not be pse. Depends on the situation. When it’s wild and no holds barred such as crazy positions, fiv/fia or both at same time, 69, sloppy, spitty saliva aggressive dt (no scraping please), fingers in mouth, then you’ve entered pse. And that is rare to find
I would go a little further and say there are gray crossover areas as well.
To me, bbfs may or not be pse. Depends on the situation. When it’s wild and no holds barred such as crazy positions, fiv/fia or both at same time, 69, sloppy, spitty saliva aggressive dt (no scraping please), fingers in mouth, then you’ve entered pse. And that is rare to find
There are so many other ways you could have said that. Accusing the literal owner of an AMP reviews site (topjimmy) as among "some of these clueless people" takes quite a bit of hubris.
Which is why I acknowledged that sites tend to use muddle up terms as a form of euphemism/upsell. If you pay attention to newbie reports where they describe how they ask the PO what the terms mean you'll see that it is no accident; the PO's are intentionally misleading newbies to upsell the so-called GFE/PSE based on the literal definition not euphemism.
This is also why I emphasize and encourage people to adopt the "proper" definition in their reviews to help fellow punters identify if the girl in the review will deliver the experience they're looking for, as we all have different preferences.
Which is why I acknowledged that sites tend to use muddle up terms as a form of euphemism/upsell. If you pay attention to newbie reports where they describe how they ask the PO what the terms mean you'll see that it is no accident; the PO's are intentionally misleading newbies to upsell the so-called GFE/PSE based on the literal definition not euphemism.
This is also why I emphasize and encourage people to adopt the "proper" definition in their reviews to help fellow punters identify if the girl in the review will deliver the experience they're looking for, as we all have different preferences.