Rude Clients at AMPs

Bit · Jan 18, 2020

I'll bite.

@AutomaticSlim - Sorry bro, but the statistics the show that the darker you are, the worse the situation will be for you with LE. This has been studied to death and it is a numerical truth. Victim mentality has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with the images that have been poured into the minds of Americans by the media for the past 155 years. Not trying to argue the point. If you disagree with Harvard and MIT, that's fine. And to be abundantly clear, they also proved doesn't matter how light or how brown LE is on the other side. The civilian loses. Life is not fair and that's just the way it is. Nothing against you personally bro. Those are just #facts.

And for the record, most of the dudes in the Hell's Angel's are quite savvy with police. They teach classes on this topic for bikers. As laughable as this sounds, I would bet against the Hispanic guy in a suit in the middle of Elmhurst. I would bet my best 20-something AMP girl on it (as I know you prefer that age range).

Flushing is so much easier. Uber over and monger freely guys.

BroBear · Jan 18, 2020

UncleSpooge said:

Yeah, that has been a common site around the neighborhood nowadays. Hopefully the cold weather will dwindle these types of occurrences.

Brokenmatt said:

Oh don't get me wrong. I can't speak for everyone else, but I am in no way trying to play the hero or be "captain save an AMP". I for one know we're not the good guy in these types of scenarios. We've placed ourselves in a very seedy situation, and in the eyes of society we are very much the bad guy, doesn't matter how good or nice of a person YOU think you are, and I am okay with that. But just because we're apart of the bad guys, doesn't mean I don't know the difference between right and wrong. Besides, I started hobbying partly to add a little excitement, adventure, chaos, adrenaline to my life. But yeah... again, know how to assess a situation and a person, and if a provider says just let it be, listen to them and respect them.

AutomaticSlim · Jan 18, 2020

Bit said:

Really don't want to get into this here, but do the Harvard and MIT studies to which you refer say anything about the circumstances behind these incidents with LE?
Whether or not the person shot had a prior criminal record or was being questioned for/suspected of a criminal act? Did they act violently towards the officer.
Of course cops can be a-holes sometimes, anyone can be an a-hole. The more power, the more a chance the a-hole personality will show up.
But this idea that there is an epidemic of cops are targeting innocent people is ludicrous. What would they possibly have to gain from that?
An individual thing once in a while? Sure. But an epidemic. No.
IMO this narrative is greatly pushed by an American media with a very strong agenda.

I am certain you and I would disagree on many of these individual incidents, like the one in Ferguson Mo. Perhaps you would take the position of the "hands up don't shoot" argument, that the cops killed an innocent person. And perhaps I would take the position that a violent criminal who just robbed a store attacked a cop.
Without being there or seeing full video, there is no way to be certain. So a certain amount of preconceived ideas goes into the decision making. A lot of those social science professors at Harvard and MIT also have preconceived ideas...

Uniquelyme · Jan 18, 2020

lokithewolf said:

Has anyone ever been in a situation where you’re at an AMP and there’s a client that is being rude/aggressive/violent to a provider? If you have, what did you do? What would you do?

This was what happened today:
Today I went to Whitney MILFS (those who know the Elmhurst area know which place I’m talking about) to visit my favorite provider. We had a great long session. After we finished we were talking and catching up (using translators of course). Suddenly we hear the doorbell ring, after a few seconds, the person who rang the doorbell started to bang on the door. At that moment my heart stopped because I thought it was LE. They’re banging on the door until another provider goes to open the door. She lets the guy in and puts him in another room and he says “Where are the other girls!!??” in a very aggressive tone. Then he says something like “Your boss says I can pick the girl” then he is requesting for someone who wears a black dress... my provider wears a black dress! For a moment I thought he was gonna come into our room and want my provider. Our time wasn’t over and I was ready to fight this guy if he came into our room. Then he starts arguing with her about the damage. I can tell the other provider sounded frightened, especially because of the language barrier. He was beginning to sound very aggressive. He sounded like an older White man maybe in his late 40s early 50s. Kinda sounded like Trump on steroids. If I hear that he was getting physical, I was ready to confront this guy. Me and my provider could hear the argument going on (which is what I don’t like about that place, if there’s another session going on, you can clearly hear it), she sees me getting angry and clutching my fist, I was about to all Machete Mexico City street mode on this motherfucker. she told me to calm down that’s it’s gonna be ok. Then suddenly he says “ok, sorry.” And he walks out. I was hugging my provider tight to protect her.
It makes me so angry knowing that she and all the providers in this world have to deal with assholes like him. In the end he didn’t hurt the other provider but I am assuming these things could happen and do. These women are defenseless, that’s what always makes me worry about them.
My provider isn’t my girlfriend but I care about her as if she was, and I expect all fellow mongers to treat her and other providers with respect.
That guy was lucky I didn’t see his face, or I would have whooped his ass if I see him in the streets. Motherfucker.

You need help. Never fight another Man over a Woman unless it's your wife or fiancee or serious af girlfriend. Mom or Sister, Grandma.

If he comes in and disrespects you that's when you smack fire out his ass.

Uniquelyme · Jan 18, 2020

BroBear said:

These types of situation are very conflicting. Your situation reminds me of something similar that I was apart of about 2 months back. I was at ANHC in Elmhurst, I was seeing my atf, she agreed to see me for a late session and our session ended around 1030ish pm. Afterwards we were having a nice chat, when all of a sudden the door bell rings, since I was her last session I was suppose to close the main door behind me but I had forgotten so an unannounced customer came. I was in the room with the cameras so I could see what was going on. From the looks of it, she was trying to refuse the customer and she kept him from trying to enter, but the guy just shoved the door open on her and entered. After he entered it looked as if they were having an argument, at that point my adrenaline was pumping and I was ready to bust in there on the guy. I wasn't able to hear their full conversation but by the end of it she shoo'ed him into the front makeshift room they have. She came back to me with the saddest look on her face. I asked her if she wanted me to kick him out, she said no, I offered to wait until the session was over but she assured me it would be ok and that he was a quick customer, as she has seen him before. So i reminded her as I was leaving I don't live far from the shop and that if she needed me to just call.
Honestly though, as a customer I don't think there is really anything we can do to make the situation better. Sure we could protect the girl from the harmful guy, but then what happens if the guy complains to the mamasan the next day and in return she gets fired. Or you decide to confront the guy and the whole thing gets blown out of proportion which results in the need of medical attention. Its just a rough situation for all parties involved. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't help, I for one definitely would help...

You also need help. These girls are not your gfs. Why are you going to confront another Man for her?? These girls are escorts who fuck hundreds of Men for money. This is their job. Its fucked up that shit like this they gotta deal with it. But mind your business. Plenty of dudes got fucked up for not minding their business. Dont be that guy.

BroBear · Jan 18, 2020

Uniquelyme said:

You maybe misinterpreting what I posted. I don't think of these girls as gfs. I do have favorite providers, but thats where it stays for me, a "provider". I do understand a potential dangerous situation, and know well enough as to whether I should involve myself or stay in my place. Like I stated in my last post, I'm not trying to "white knight" it, I like the adrenaline rush, the excitement, and I'm smart enough to know when to bow out of a situation. I do the things I do, because I like the little thrills and rushes I get out of them, much like some of you guys.

Bit · Jan 18, 2020

AutomaticSlim said:

Ok @AutomaticSlim - I'll respond for the sake of those who listen to the sensationalistic news but don't go back and read the sources and may not have the math skills to read raw statistical data.

Let's be clear - The people that got shot by the police usually had a record that did help their cause with the media. That is not normally a factor in a shooting other than their inherent distrust that sends all the wrong signals to LE based in their training. There are also idiot LE that used "aggressive police tactics" that were designed for war-zone drug infested neighborhoods and applied too broadly to anyone that they feel suspicious about in any neighborhood (I'll skip naming.a dozen dead brown people without criminal records - you get the point).

Missouri was literally the national test bed for these tactics, and Ferguson is the horrible case where it went wrong the most. Their undertrained police force was rewarded for stopping people, issuing tickets, making arrests and being sent out to get some more.

Honestly, why would Ferguson LE arrest a technology consultant making >$100k for sitting in his car after a game of basketball when he wasn't driving? Answer: Their Cheif said more arrests were needed in Ferguson. This case was litigated and dismissed, but the arrest cost the brown guy his job. Literally a worse case city you raised here.

That wasn't the point of the Harvard or the MIT study.

Those two studies (and several others) measured an officers likelihood to draw their weapon at a subject. The browner you are, the more likely the weapon will be drawn by LE. Once drawn, other factors, like tunnel vision take effect that make things go to hell, especially if LE is one-person versus two on a beat.

There were other studies that basically show the tendencies are statistically relevant for arrests vs warnings, weapon drawn vs holstered, and yes gun discharged vs not fired based in brownness. Now we're talking about three letter agency data, so feel free to disagree with them. But they are the ones trying to help hick-cops like the ones in Ferguson. They didn't use the word epidemic. That's a media hype word borrowed from the CDC. They did use the word alarming though.

I know a bunch of guys and gals that are in law enforcement. Some walk an uptown beat. Some at three letter agencies. It is an acknowledged problem that will take massive funding and training to correct. The challenge is that NYC can afford that training and Ferguson claims they cannot.

Meanwhile, back in Elmhurst, I'm still betting on the tattooed Hell's Angels biker over the Latino in the suit for coming out unscathed if lE were called to the spa.

lokithewolf · Jan 18, 2020

What did i just start... *facepalm*

AutomaticSlim · Jan 18, 2020

@Bit
"The people that got shot by the police usually had a record that did help their cause with the media. That is not normally a factor in a shooting other than their inherent distrust that sends all the wrong signals to LE based in their training."

- OK, so if you agree on that point, can you not also see that if a person has a history of criminality, especially if it is violent, that these types of people would be the most likely to attack the police and cause there own death in the process? Also, can you not admit the possibility that social scientists (from heavily left wing universities) may be manipulating their research results to push an agenda? Does it take the superior "math skills" to which you you allude to understand that it may be the case that the "browner" subject may, just may, be in a dangerous, gang infested neighborhood with a lot of illegal guns? So the cops OF COURSE unholster their weapons to protect themselves in a more dangerous area. And the people in these neighborhoods may take a far more aggresive attitude and language towards the cops, so OF COURSE there will be a higher arrest rate. To me that is common sense. Not all cops are going to let people dump buckets of water on them.

And yes, I still think a clean cut, neatly dressed, well spoken hispanic guy would be favored by LE over a fat, hairy, tattooed biker with a criminal record.

OK, I'm out. Have a session in NNJ and have to figure out how to make it over the bridge without going off the road in this lousy weather. Also, after all this talk, I will be trying to avoid LE. With my luck something just might happen tonight.

Have a good Saturday night and rest of the weekend too.

BroBear · Jan 18, 2020

lokithewolf said:

Honestly, could tell you had good intentions. But now it has turned into a topic of biases, statistics, and morality lol
On the subject of cops, there are good ones, bad ones, and ones that wanna just get through the day. I don't have any doubts whether some follow a stereotype or hold a prejudice against certain skin colors. Reminds me of a situation I had in my early 20s, when I was stopped and frisked by a cop. I was in Maspeth, a predominantly white area. I was hanging out with friends by one of the triangles after work. Cops rolled up and said something like there was a group of individuals tagging property around the neighborhood. Out of everyone in my group I was the only one who was frisked, I was also the only one who wasn't white. Afterwards, my friends had a good laugh about it. I didn't know any better, I was dumb kid in my early 20s, so I just kept my mouth shut. I don't blame cops, I'm smart enough now to know what the reality of most matters are, and do my best just to keep a low profile when in bad situations.

Rombulous · Jan 18, 2020

Morale of the story .....

DO NOT PATRONIZE WHITNEY SPA!!!!

(It's seriously not worth it anyway, in general)

Tico1 · Jan 19, 2020

That whitney spa over the laundry mat was robbed before. i'm not sure if the guys were caught. Be careful.
https://www.pix11.com/2018/05/25/employees-tied-up-robbed-at-queens-beauty-salon

lokithewolf · Jan 19, 2020

Tico1 said:

Yeaaa! My provider told me about that! Luckily she wasn’t working that day. What douchebags! That’s another thing to worry about... these places are easy targets. LE, crazy mongers, and robberies. Daaaamn...I should just stick to my FI provider... even if that means I won’t see my favorite provider at Whitney Milfs anymore. Going to AMPs aren’t worth it. It’s too risky. I feel super nervous at AMPs.

Mara_massage · Jan 19, 2020

lokithewolf said:

Has anyone ever been in a situation where you’re at an AMP and there’s a client that is being rude/aggressive/violent to a provider? If you have, what did you do? What would you do?

This was what happened today:
Today I went to Whitney MILFS (those who know the Elmhurst area know which place I’m talking about) to visit my favorite provider. We had a great long session. After we finished we were talking and catching up (using translators of course). Suddenly we hear the doorbell ring, after a few seconds, the person who rang the doorbell started to bang on the door. At that moment my heart stopped because I thought it was LE. They’re banging on the door until another provider goes to open the door. She lets the guy in and puts him in another room and he says “Where are the other girls!!??” in a very aggressive tone. Then he says something like “Your boss says I can pick the girl” then he is requesting for someone who wears a black dress... my provider wears a black dress! For a moment I thought he was gonna come into our room and want my provider. Our time wasn’t over and I was ready to fight this guy if he came into our room. Then he starts arguing with her about the damage. I can tell the other provider sounded frightened, especially because of the language barrier. He was beginning to sound very aggressive. He sounded like an older White man maybe in his late 40s early 50s. Kinda sounded like Trump on steroids. If I hear that he was getting physical, I was ready to confront this guy. Me and my provider could hear the argument going on (which is what I don’t like about that place, if there’s another session going on, you can clearly hear it), she sees me getting angry and clutching my fist, I was about to all Machete Mexico City street mode on this motherfucker. she told me to calm down that’s it’s gonna be ok. Then suddenly he says “ok, sorry.” And he walks out. I was hugging my provider tight to protect her.
It makes me so angry knowing that she and all the providers in this world have to deal with assholes like him. In the end he didn’t hurt the other provider but I am assuming these things could happen and do. These women are defenseless, that’s what always makes me worry about them.
My provider isn’t my girlfriend but I care about her as if she was, and I expect all fellow mongers to treat her and other providers with respect.
That guy was lucky I didn’t see his face, or I would have whooped his ass if I see him in the streets. Motherfucker.

AWESOME POST, GOD BLESS YOU IN A NON-HOLY ROLLER WAY, YOU SEEM LIKE ONE BAD-ASS COOL JUSTICE LOVING MOTHER-LOVER,YOU MADE MY DAY,CHEERS SIR !!

Mara_massage · Jan 19, 2020

Mace pepper spray ?? beware weapons ?? Whew a rough story !! No wonder LE is all over these places !!

Tico1 · Jan 19, 2020

Mara_massage said:

Don't worry there's always cameras at these places.

Tico1 · Jan 19, 2020

lokithewolf said:

Yeaaa! My provider told me about that! Luckily she wasn’t working that day. What douchebags! That’s another thing to worry about... these places are easy targets. LE, crazy mongers, and robberies. Daaaamn...I should just stick to my FI provider... even if that means I won’t see my favorite provider at Whitney Milfs anymore. Going to AMPs aren’t worth it. It’s too risky. I feel super nervous at AMPs.

Did they catch these robbers?

Bit · Jan 19, 2020

AutomaticSlim said:

Hey @AutomaticSlim - I hope you had a great session.

I'll say it again - People with a record do not help their cause. The challenge is that the LE stops a disproportionate number of brown people. They follow through with what some have called "implicit bias" or what LE calls "feeling threatened", and then things go south. The three letter agency is trying to help LE to avoid this cascading failure with local LE.

You also just proved my point about math in the data you presented. Your chart shows a narrative that excludes population percentages and number of deaths. I'm adding a chart below for you to consider the data. Are you suggesting that a population group that represents 13% of society is responsible for creating a condition that forces their fatality at a rate that is 200% over their representation in society?

Your narrative also disparages Harvard and Yale and other universities as "left wing". I'm have to assume you are lumping in the three letter agencies that have agreed with the data with that "left wing" label. The fact is local LE needs help to reduce brown fatalities at their hands. Counting fatalities is not a left wing thing. It is math. I have friends at NewsMax, which most consider "right wing" and they don't dispute the data.

Most of the university studies were going for root of the fear reaction that causes anyone (not just LE) to feel unsafe. The unfortunate finding was that there is an ingrained fear that is evidenced when snapshot judgements are made. It showed tendencies to perceive fear based on browness. That doesn't hurt anyone in a Starbucks line, but it does hurt people when one of them is holding a gun. They do these studies using computer monitors. The gang infested narrative doesn't come into play on a computer monitor.

If we peel back the data, the killings don't just occur in high-crime zones. Even if it did, the data shows that deadly force was used without aggression from the citizen and without knowing their history. These are offensive not defensive reactions by LE. Chasing a person and discharging a weapon goes against LE policy. They have rules for unholstering a weapon because they don't want a LE cowboy to destroy the reputation of mostly good LE. And the cities don't want the lawsuit.

Math helps. Facts helps. Media bullet points and assumptions without data just inflame polarized views. Please go to a source you trust and inspect the underlying data.

Rombulous · Jan 19, 2020

lokithewolf said:

Dude are you serious....

First of all this happened in Summer almost 2 years ago

2nd, the places this happens to are generally disorganized management and chaotic staffing which makes them a target.

3rd - If Whitney Spa has ever been your favorite... you are a special breed dude... Lmao

AutomaticSlim · Jan 19, 2020

@Bit.

Session was OK. Thanks.

I'll respond, but I am sure we will never come to any sort of agreement on this issue.
You want to focus on number. I get that.
But the simple fact is that your numbers are meaningless without the underlying facts.
If the CDC came out and said that the rate of lung cancer was the highest in West Virginia, and gave all kinds of numbers to show it, but then DIDN'T REPORT that 90% of the people suffering from cancer were coal miners, it would be a pretty useless statistic, right?

What I am saying is that the numbers you want to base your argument on tells us nothing about the behavior of people being shot.
Bad things happen to people who behave badly. That's just a common sense fact of life.
Wise off to a cop, you might get arrested.
Act erratically or violently around a cop, you will certainly get taken down and possibly shot.

"Are you suggesting that a population group that represents 13% of society is responsible for creating a condition that forces their fatality at a rate that is 200% over their representation in society?"

My chart shows that more whites are killed by cops than blacks and hispanics combined.
But what percentage of violent crime is committed by each group?

This chart is 10 years out of date, but paints a very bleak picture. I believe the FBI counts hispanic either as white (think Robert Duran) or Black (think Big Papi) when tabulating crimes by race.
From this website: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

And from this website, which has more recent data the percentages seem to have gone down as of late, but are sill quite disturbing. I believe these numbers are
counting hispanics separately.

From this site: https://www.ncjrs.gov/ovc_archives/...rtwork/Fact_Sheets/2017NCVRW_Homicide_508.pdf

So to answer your question. Yes. That is what I am saying. The percentages of groups shot by cops is more closely related to the amount of violent crime being committed by those groups, not the overall population percentage.

We will not agree on this topic. Ever. But that is fine.

I have like your non-political posts on this board, though.
Would like to see you do some reviews though, as you seem to have a lot to offer.

Take care and have a nice Sunday and long weekend.

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