Rude Clients at AMPs

[lokithewolf]

Has anyone ever been in a situation where you’re at an AMP and there’s a client that is being rude/aggressive/violent to a provider? If you have, what did you do? What would you do?

This was what happened today:
Today I went to Whitney MILFS (those who know the Elmhurst area know which place I’m talking about) to visit my favorite provider. We had a great long session. After we finished we were talking and catching up (using translators of course). Suddenly we hear the doorbell ring, after a few seconds, the person who rang the doorbell started to bang on the door. At that moment my heart stopped because I thought it was LE. They’re banging on the door until another provider goes to open the door. She lets the guy in and puts him in another room and he says “Where are the other girls!!??” in a very aggressive tone. Then he says something like “Your boss says I can pick the girl” then he is requesting for someone who wears a black dress... my provider wears a black dress! For a moment I thought he was gonna come into our room and want my provider. Our time wasn’t over and I was ready to fight this guy if he came into our room. Then he starts arguing with her about the damage. I can tell the other provider sounded frightened, especially because of the language barrier. He was beginning to sound very aggressive. He sounded like an older White man maybe in his late 40s early 50s. Kinda sounded like Trump on steroids. If I hear that he was getting physical, I was ready to confront this guy. Me and my provider could hear the argument going on (which is what I don’t like about that place, if there’s another session going on, you can clearly hear it), she sees me getting angry and clutching my fist, I was about to all Machete Mexico City street mode on this motherfucker. she told me to calm down that’s it’s gonna be ok. Then suddenly he says “ok, sorry.” And he walks out. I was hugging my provider tight to protect her.
It makes me so angry knowing that she and all the providers in this world have to deal with assholes like him. In the end he didn’t hurt the other provider but I am assuming these things could happen and do. These women are defenseless, that’s what always makes me worry about them.
My provider isn’t my girlfriend but I care about her as if she was, and I expect all fellow mongers to treat her and other providers with respect.
That guy was lucky I didn’t see his face, or I would have whooped his ass if I see him in the streets. Motherfucker.

 

[n2deep]

i would have yelled out to him to chill out or find somewhere else to monger..
And let him know he is killing your PAID FOR SESSION................
Most of that type are pussies and seeing a guy in their face they will cower.....

 

[BroBear]

These types of situation are very conflicting. Your situation reminds me of something similar that I was apart of about 2 months back. I was at ANHC in Elmhurst, I was seeing my atf, she agreed to see me for a late session and our session ended around 1030ish pm. Afterwards we were having a nice chat, when all of a sudden the door bell rings, since I was her last session I was suppose to close the main door behind me but I had forgotten so an unannounced customer came. I was in the room with the cameras so I could see what was going on. From the looks of it, she was trying to refuse the customer and she kept him from trying to enter, but the guy just shoved the door open on her and entered. After he entered it looked as if they were having an argument, at that point my adrenaline was pumping and I was ready to bust in there on the guy. I wasn't able to hear their full conversation but by the end of it she shoo'ed him into the front makeshift room they have. She came back to me with the saddest look on her face. I asked her if she wanted me to kick him out, she said no, I offered to wait until the session was over but she assured me it would be ok and that he was a quick customer, as she has seen him before. So i reminded her as I was leaving I don't live far from the shop and that if she needed me to just call.
Honestly though, as a customer I don't think there is really anything we can do to make the situation better. Sure we could protect the girl from the harmful guy, but then what happens if the guy complains to the mamasan the next day and in return she gets fired. Or you decide to confront the guy and the whole thing gets blown out of proportion which results in the need of medical attention. Its just a rough situation for all parties involved. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't help, I for one definitely would help...

 

[Bishop]

Unfortunately there are some a-holes in this hobby that ruin it for us. Hats off to you Lokithewolf and BroBear for standing by your provider, I'm sure they appreciate it and will further heighten their trust in you.

I do agree with BroBear though about how much you can do for them, it does pose a lot of consequences in the end, like having them reported and busted, her losing her job, you exposed as a monger etc. For me personally, I think the best thing you can do is to just have them handle it. They know the business they are in and I'm sure they have their own way of dealing with these kind of mongers, sure they sometimes succumb to the unruly one and just go ahead with the session even though they don't want to, but it's still the best way (they think) on how to deal with it and not have it escalate further. It may not be the solution that we like but it is still the best for them.

Be safe out there fellas.

 

[Rombulous]

And that place of course stereotypes against AA

Serves them right

Sorry you had this experience though...

 

[Chiparlor]

The parlors/providers could handle rude mongers because a parlor booted two mongers out for coming in drunk.

 

[Rombulous]

Unfortunately there are some a-holes in this hobby that ruin it for us. Hats off to you Lokithewolf and BroBear for standing by your provider, I'm sure they appreciate it and will further heighten their trust in you.

I do agree with BroBear though about how much you can do for them, it does pose a lot of consequences in the end, like having them reported and busted, her losing her job, you exposed as a monger etc. For me personally, I think the best thing you can do is to just have them handle it. They know the business they are in and I'm sure they have their own way of dealing with these kind of mongers, sure they sometimes succumb to the unruly one and just go ahead with the session even though they don't want to, but it's still the best way (they think) on how to deal with it and not have it escalate further. It may not be the solution that we like but it is still the best for them.

Be safe out there fellas.

Agreed

As much as you may want to help it is not in your best interest at all. The law will not be on your side

 

[TheEnjoyer]

I hate hearing these stories.
SO not cool.
Just because we’re paying for in most cases an unattainable fantasy to become a temporary reality does not give us the right to shit on those that carry the weight of the service / circumstances when they are provided exactly as you wanted them to be.

What goes around comes around.

Appreciate and reward the good experiences and you’ll have many more.

 

[loverfsx]

Has anyone ever been in a situation where you’re at an AMP and there’s a client that is being rude/aggressive/violent to a provider? If you have, what did you do? What would you do?

This was what happened today:
Today I went to Whitney MILFS (those who know the Elmhurst area know which place I’m talking about) to visit my favorite provider. We had a great long session. After we finished we were talking and catching up (using translators of course). Suddenly we hear the doorbell ring, after a few seconds, the person who rang the doorbell started to bang on the door. At that moment my heart stopped because I thought it was LE. They’re banging on the door until another provider goes to open the door. She lets the guy in and puts him in another room and he says “Where are the other girls!!??” in a very aggressive tone. Then he says something like “Your boss says I can pick the girl” then he is requesting for someone who wears a black dress... my provider wears a black dress! For a moment I thought he was gonna come into our room and want my provider. Our time wasn’t over and I was ready to fight this guy if he came into our room. Then he starts arguing with her about the damage. I can tell the other provider sounded frightened, especially because of the language barrier. He was beginning to sound very aggressive. He sounded like an older White man maybe in his late 40s early 50s. Kinda sounded like Trump on steroids. If I hear that he was getting physical, I was ready to confront this guy. Me and my provider could hear the argument going on (which is what I don’t like about that place, if there’s another session going on, you can clearly hear it), she sees me getting angry and clutching my fist, I was about to all Machete Mexico City street mode on this motherfucker. she told me to calm down that’s it’s gonna be ok. Then suddenly he says “ok, sorry.” And he walks out. I was hugging my provider tight to protect her.
It makes me so angry knowing that she and all the providers in this world have to deal with assholes like him. In the end he didn’t hurt the other provider but I am assuming these things could happen and do. These women are defenseless, that’s what always makes me worry about them.
My provider isn’t my girlfriend but I care about her as if she was, and I expect all fellow mongers to treat her and other providers with respect.
That guy was lucky I didn’t see his face, or I would have whooped his ass if I see him in the streets. Motherfucker.

God bless your good heart. As someone mentioned confrontation has consequences. I experienced some too. Usually they are drunk or straight up a holes. Best thing you can do is never get angry under any circumstances. Wait few minutes, pay attention to the voice. If he seems speaking faster, louder then you can get out and ask the provider for something like water/cover/napkins. Or whatever you can think of for a diversion which does not involve him. He'll see another guys presence and will take a pause (even for a few seconds) and if the provider is smart she will move away for few minutes. Don't give him angry look. Don't let him feel threatened by you.

Remember, aside from heavily drunk, the people who picks up fight with provider has nothing to lose or thinks he has nothing to lose. Either way you can never reason with them.

 

[doofu77]

Yea I heard of upset/angry customers during sessions. Alot of times its over service or money. Most of the time they get resolved quickly and I don't get involved.

The only time I had to get involved was at a legit massage place. In the room next door a customer was sexually harassing the masseuse. The masseuse was young and didn't really know how to handle him. I knock on the wall and told him to stop it or I would come in and fuck him up. Some dudes can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. I have to admit their are some real scums in our hobby.

 

[CaptainBoner]

Ive only had one oh shit moment at a place, and it wasn’t as aggressive but some Spanish guy was flipping out because the girl asked for a tip.

He was yelling and complaining to the manger about the tip. He then threatened to go to the police. So the girl said forget the tip, but he was still complaining and shouting and threatening to go to the police.

Eventually a fellow monger went out and talked to the guy and said repeated that he didn’t have to pay the tip but they don’t have to allow him back in. I’m not sure why that calmed him down but he left shortly after that.

I don’t know the guy who saved the day but he better be getting free FS every time he visits there

 

[Bit]

I recommend that everyone let go of their romantic fantasy of saving the girl and the spa.

@lokithewolf, @BroBear, and @doofu77, if something real were to go down, you would be charged with assault and the idiot that created the scene would sue you for everything you have just for fun. You will have another layer of challenges when the police arrive and ask why you walked from another room and aggressed a stranger. And that's before the complexities that @Rombulous was referring to on that other thread.

The spa would get unwanted LE attention and may be fined or even get shut down for infractions like unapproved plumbing or walls. Any sign of LE and some of the girls may quit and go to another spa. All from a hero complex where you chose not commit only one crime at a time. Sadly, I've seen this play out and the girls always lose, especially the MMS.

Take N2Deep's advise and politely ask the guy to pipe it down so you can enjoy your session. Be brief as most Asian cultures don't like loud conflict. The other girls will be uncomfortable as soon as you start conversing with the idiot as will any other customer that feels a fight may be brewing. If it doesn't deescalate right away, end your session, tip your girl for the full amount, and leave the conflict zone without speaking to the idiot that started the problem.

This isn't a school yard boys. You won't get off with a suspension and a letter home to your mom. If you have something to lose, like a good job, a family, a solid reputation, or a family, just leave.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

@BroBear

You forgot another scenario.
The moron gets scared, runs off, then calls LE to get revenge on the place.
These places would rather try to calm the idiot down without getting another guy involved.
I've been told this by an owner I used to know.
She did have me answer the phone a few times to scare off bad clients. No threats. Just a gruff male voice on the other end telling them "no one is here".

 

[Brokenmatt]

I see there are some real cowboys on this thread. LOL... didn’t mike Bloomberg teach us “if you see something, say nothing”. These places are frequented by mob guys, street guys and overall scumbags and I’m not going nose to nose with anyone of them for any provider I don’t give a fuck how long her hair is. This type of shit happens all of the time at an amp, where the provider gets roused by some asshole but they subtract their losses and keep it pushing so it’s important for you guys if you see something going down don’t try to be captain save an AMP...MIND YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!

 

[AutomaticSlim]

This type of shit happens all of the time at an amp

It can happen anywhere, I agree, but IMO it would be much more likely at the cheapie places.
And both of these guys did mention Elmhurst...

 

[lokithewolf]

I recommend that everyone let go of their romantic fantasy of saving the girl and the spa.

@lokithewolf, @BroBear, and @doofu77, if something real were to go down, you would be charged with assault and the idiot that created the scene would sue you for everything you have just for fun. You will have another layer of challenges when the police arrive and ask why you walked from another room and aggressed a stranger. And that's before the complexities that @Rombulous was referring to on that other thread.

The spa would get unwanted LE attention and may be fined or even get shut down for infractions like unapproved plumbing or walls. Any sign of LE and some of the girls may quit and go to another spa. All from a hero complex where you chose not commit only one crime at a time. Sadly, I've seen this play out and the girls always lose, especially the MMS.

Take N2Deep's advise and politely ask the guy to pipe it down so you can enjoy your session. Be brief as most Asian cultures don't like loud conflict. The other girls will be uncomfortable as soon as you start conversing with the idiot as will any other customer that feels a fight may be brewing. If it doesn't deescalate right away, end your session, tip your girl for the full amount, and leave the conflict zone without speaking to the idiot that started the problem.

This isn't a school yard boys. You won't get off with a suspension and a letter home to your mom. If you have something to lose, like a good job, a family, a solid reputation, or a family, just leave.

This is very good advice, and from others who posted here as well. You are all right. It’s not worth it. Reality is not like in the movies, in reality the bad guys always win. Plus, LE would never be on my side because of my nationality.
As mentioned before in my other thread about how I started this hobby, the “connection” we have with them isn’t real. We mean nothing to them, so it’s not worth trying to help them out. Makes me sad thinking about it. The world of mongering is a very dark and sad one...and I will never forgive the girls that rejected me for driving me to resort to this.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Plus, LE would never be on my side because of my nationality.

OFF TOPIC (but necessary reply):

Come on. Cut it out.
Have you never seen a hispanic cop?
Or how about this.
A dust up between a clean cut hispanic guy in a shirt and tie with no criminal record vs. a tattooed hell's angel or something. Whose side do you think the cops would be on??? Sorry, but that comment of yours just strikes me as a victim mentality -- dooms you to failure.

 

[lokithewolf]

OFF TOPIC (but necessary reply):

Come on. Cut it out.
Have you never seen a hispanic cop?
Or how about this.
A dust up between a clean cut hispanic guy in a shirt and tie with no criminal record vs. a tattooed hell's angel or something. Whose side do you think the cops would be on??? Sorry, but that comment of yours just strikes me as a victim mentality -- dooms you to failure.

Yes. Those are worse. There’s a famous saying in Mexico that translates into this: “Every Mexican’s worst enemy, is another Mexican”. I’m sorry bro, didn’t mean to offend you in any way. We are all on the same team here. LE in general are all a-holes. Ive been in situations where I needed their help and were never helpful.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Yes. Those are worse. There’s a famous saying in Mexico that translates into this: “Every Mexican’s worst enemy, is another Mexican”. I’m sorry bro, didn’t mean to offend you in any way. We are all on the same team here. LE in general are all a-holes. Ive been in situations where I needed their help and were never helpful.

No offense taken.

 

[UncleSpooge]

Last night around 1am, I walked past the Whitney Ave. spa, not the one with the laundromat below it, the one next to it, and there was a Mexican knocked out inside in the entrance by the stairs hahaha. I did nothing and just walked on by, but it must be a regular thing for these places.