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Confession?

AutomaticSlim

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After 20 years on the road, working alone and getting home after everyone was asleep, I felt like the ultimate loner. Something like AR was completely new to me and I was seriously nervous starting out. I have since come to think of it as a brotherhood. I would not have a problem with meeting up.
Same here, even though I haven't been here that long. Seems like a good bunch of guys to me. Even the ones who enjoy disagreeing with me...
 

PurpleRayne33

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I was brought up Episcopal but have left that church, and Christianity to convert to Buddhism. I’m not prosletyzing, but one of the big reasons I left was all these rituals, traditions, beliefs that are not part of Christ’s teaching, along with a few fundamental observations about the lack of moral behavior between proponents major religions (hypocrisy)
But when I got involved with Buddhism I did have a major set of discussions with a couple Buddhist priests about my life and the things I’ve done. But it was much more of a back and forth conversation than I’d imagine one with a catholic priest would go. The priests big concern wasn’t paying for sex, it was the question of whether it devalued the other person in the transaction. Of course I am not married, so no judgement there. But anyway Buddhism isn’t a sort of spy system like the church is with the priest as some sort of intermediary between god and a person. So my lessons weren’t valuable for you except to say I felt better talking about it to someone and I feel my life is in good balance. So if I was going to do it, I’d do it outside the ridiculous trappings of the confessional and just go talk to a priest you like.
The Buddhist priest's take is an interesting one, maybe he was just encouraging you to be a generous tipper.
 

njlefty

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I was brought up Episcopal but have left that church, and Christianity to convert to Buddhism. I’m not prosletyzing, but one of the big reasons I left was all these rituals, traditions, beliefs that are not part of Christ’s teaching, along with a few fundamental observations about the lack of moral behavior between proponents major religions (hypocrisy)
But when I got involved with Buddhism I did have a major set of discussions with a couple Buddhist priests about my life and the things I’ve done. But it was much more of a back and forth conversation than I’d imagine one with a catholic priest would go. The priests big concern wasn’t paying for sex, it was the question of whether it devalued the other person in the transaction. Of course I am not married, so no judgement there. But anyway Buddhism isn’t a sort of spy system like the church is with the priest as some sort of intermediary between god and a person. So my lessons weren’t valuable for you except to say I felt better talking about it to someone and I feel my life is in good balance. So if I was going to do it, I’d do it outside the ridiculous trappings of the confessional and just go talk to a priest you like.

This is quite interesting. I was brought up in the Christian faith, but soured on it during my early adult years. In my later years, I attempted it once again. Ultimately I steered more toward what you found, but not completely. I enjoy listening to Alan Watts. Thomas Merton's writings. It becomes more of a personal thing, rather than being a part of some larger group.
 

VJLUTZ

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It's not fair to indict the entire organization for the sick, corrupt actions of a few bad apples. We don't hold other professions and groups to this unrealistic standard of perfection so it's not fair to the Catholic Church either.
Perhaps not, but it's hard to understate the damage those "bad apples" have wrought. It seems to me that the infiltration of the Catholic Church by pedos is fairly systematic. One question is: How did it happen? Was it just happenstance or was it intentional? Given the seeming scale of it (including those non-pedos who just looked the other way), it's easier to make the case for the latter than the former. There is also the possibility that the Media is blowing it out of proportion for their own agenda. If so, they've done a great job in that respect.

A few years back, I had a conversation with a (platonic) woman friend of mine from HS. At the time, she was a very devout Catholic (so much so she strongly considered becoming a nun); and, in most ways, she still is. Goes to Church every Sunday, reads the bible regularly, and volunteers for this and that Church function, etc. Until it comes to the subject of priests. She told me point blank that she does not trust them and thinks they are all pervs (her words, not mine). That really rocked me back on my heel, especially considering that it was her who uttered it. Apparently, she still has faith in Church doctrine and what the Church stands for, just not its messengers (I assume she is still okay with nuns).

It seems all the rage these days to be an Atheist. I am not one and never will be. But I am also not very religious because I am lazy and often too tired to bother, except maybe on holidays. Especially now that my kids have flown the coop. Think what you might of religion, a lot of thought and effort went into it over thousands of years. There are also solid reasons to oppose many things that organized religion frown's upon. It's foolish just to dismiss that because there are lot of worthwhile lessons learned in there. It would certainly look down on what we are doing. I am glad that I started mongering later in life because the lifestyle is probably too hedonistic for a younger man trying to get his life established.
 

Koondog

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Seems if you were a gay pedophile the priesthood is a perfect place to hide in plain sight. Dont think it's a coincidence at all. But the usual suspects who are hostile to religion to begin with will just put the blame on "religion " itself, instead of those who would hide behind religion to act on their sick impulses that damage and devastate their victims for the rest of their lives.
 

Jackboner

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It's not fair to indict the entire organization for the sick, corrupt actions of a few bad apples. We don't hold other professions and groups to this unrealistic standard of perfection so it's not fair to the Catholic Church either.
It’s convenient to bash Catholics because Jesus and his teachings are considered irrelevant today. I blame political correctness.
How come feminists and progressives never talk about Sharia law and how badly women, LBGQ?????? and others are treated, often resulting in death.
 

Srhsrh

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The Buddhist priest's take is an interesting one, maybe he was just encouraging you to be a generous tipper.
No, a fundamental tenet of Buddhism revolves around helping others on their path in life to be better. There is no Buddhist doctrine around prohibiting sex outside marriage so there was no issue there. The conversation was more around was I empowering a spa girl to do more morally bad things by giving her money for sex, encouraging her in other bad things like gambling, drinking etc., which reflected back on me because I helped empower it. It was an interesting conversation. Not the only topic of discussion, I haven’t always been the nicest person. But the approach was what was most interesting. This wasn’t a priest spouting dogma and tired commandments. It was a deeper back and forth discussion about a persons place and duty in a society. Ultimately they had little fault to find with what I was doing, meaning they saw it as detracting from me, but not in such a major way, it meant I’d be reborn as a bug.

I think it’s good to have these serious kind of thinking discussions with people which is why I’d encourage the OP to have a chat with someone he respects. Assuming that person will keep their mouth shut.
 

Jackboner

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Sounds like the gun debate right? Let's blame an inanimate object instead of the evil people that would use it to murder innocent human beings. Especially seeing as 99% of gun owners have never used their weapons with any criminal intent.
It’s not about the gun or even the mass shootings, it’s about control of your life and the loss of your liberty
 

VJLUTZ

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How come feminists and progressives never talk about Sharia law and how badly women, LBGQ?????? and others are treated, often resulting in death.
My take: because the Leftists want their votes and don't really give a shit about women's rights. It's just a tool in their toolbox. Likewise, they'll be more than happy to take $$ from pigs like Weinstein or Epstein (and celebrate them), but pretend ignorance when they're caught.

They also never gave a shit about "the working man" either.
 

AutomaticSlim

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My take: because the Leftists want their votes and don't really give a shit about women's rights. It's just a tool in their toolbox. Likewise, they'll be more than happy to take $$ from pigs like Weinstein or Epstein (and celebrate them), but pretend ignorance when they're caught.
True.
But I think fear has something to do with it as well.
Some religions don't mess around with blasphemers.
 

VJLUTZ

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True.
But I think fear has something to do with it as well.
Some religions don't mess around with blasphemers.
Yeah, that's an excellent point. They'll insult Christians and Jews all day long because they're relatively harmless. However, you insult Islam at your own risk. Which, to me, just shows them to be hypocritical cowards.
 

Freddy

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@VJ, you stated the need or desire to confess your monger ways, good for you, at least it shows you to still have a conscience, whether you attend confession or not is your business. This is a tough hobby in that we can’t speak about it openly like any other hobby, the forums are a more secure place is my guess, like minded fellas and all.
 

PurpleRayne33

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No, a fundamental tenet of Buddhism revolves around helping others on their path in life to be better. There is no Buddhist doctrine around prohibiting sex outside marriage so there was no issue there. The conversation was more around was I empowering a spa girl to do more morally bad things by giving her money for sex, encouraging her in other bad things like gambling, drinking etc., which reflected back on me because I helped empower it. It was an interesting conversation. Not the only topic of discussion, I haven’t always been the nicest person. But the approach was what was most interesting. This wasn’t a priest spouting dogma and tired commandments. It was a deeper back and forth discussion about a persons place and duty in a society. Ultimately they had little fault to find with what I was doing, meaning they saw it as detracting from me, but not in such a major way, it meant I’d be reborn as a bug.

I think it’s good to have these serious kind of thinking discussions with people which is why I’d encourage the OP to have a chat with someone he respects. Assuming that person will keep their mouth shut.
Why assume the worst though? You could theoretically be empowering her to do good with that money. Perhaps you're meant to be above a bug in the circle of life.
 

Chiparlor

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Without fornication, our economy will probably be in shambles! For the best interest of our economy similar to alcohol and drugs, we shall keep fornication because our neurotransmitters were designed to give us choices. I choose fornication!
 
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