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Almost went down a stupid path... Falling for a J Girl...

dynamohum

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<< But intimacy really makes the session hotter. The smart girls know this, and they benefit both financially and emotionally from providing a well-tailored session >>

I concur, well said!
 

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The smart girls know this, and they benefit both financially and emotionally from providing a well-tailored session. Their own egos surely enjoy the attention, the simulacra of love from mongers.
One of the best quotes on this forum in a long time (besides some of the great zingers in my reviews).

Really apt and helpful. Thank you! Of course! People are always asking, “don’t they enjoy me to some extent? They must like me! It’s too real! They must!”

Well, they do, but only as it serves and protects. It’s not “just about money” or “just a job”. The lifestyle transcends to a philosophical tier of hubris and greed, loneliness and gratification, pleasure and pain, desire and human connection.

Like the Cylon ships of Battlestar, living organisms merging to create a super-conducive ecosystem.
 

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The smart girls know this, and they benefit both financially and emotionally from providing a well-tailored session.
Since this quote is being bantered about, I'll add my small contribution: when we are away on those weekends, it's not a transactional session. It's during her off-hours, and she is there by her own choice. The only additional financial gain is maybe I'll tip more during our normal sessions, or spring a longer session once in a while. This "dating" with providers is very complex, and it's fine if you want to not go down road.
 

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Since this quote is being bantered about, I'll add my small contribution: when we are away on those weekends, it's not a transactional session. It's during her off-hours, and she is there by her own choice. The only additional financial gain is maybe I'll tip more during our normal sessions, or spring a longer session once in a while. This "dating" with providers is very complex, and it's fine if you want to not go down road.
Weekend jaunts won’t ever be in the cards but a multi-hour, in-store get away is just fine by me.
 

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Total simp. When she went UTR indy, and after she married him, she would host at their place! When I'd go over, he'd leave the apt for a couple of hours and sometimes I'd pass him in the lobby. What a strange life, leaving the apt so your wife can fuck other guys. Evidently, he's pretty well off though I wouldn't call their lifestyle crazy glamorous. While she's completely submissive with me, she tells how much she's required to dominate him and treat him like a slave. Like I said, total simp. All that aside though, seems like she has a very stable relationship, they both seem happy, and have doubled down by having a kid together. She doesn't need the money as he's a good provider. She just loves to fuck and enjoys the variety, and I think he gets off on the tales she can tell him afterwards. I'm pretty sure my paying her is almost optional at this point. Bizarre, but I guess it works for them.
That's the problem nowadays. I'm not that attractive and I go to amps once and most two times a month. I couldn't find an amp girl who gives me enough attention to be my ATF probably because lots of mongers who are willing to simp more than I do.
 

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One of the best quotes on this forum in a long time (besides some of the great zingers in my reviews).

Really apt and helpful. Thank you! Of course! People are always asking, “don’t they enjoy me to some extent? They must like me! It’s too real! They must!”

Well, they do, but only as it serves and protects. It’s not “just about money” or “just a job”. The lifestyle transcends to a philosophical tier of hubris and greed, loneliness and gratification, pleasure and pain, desire and human connection.

Like the Cylon ships of Battlestar, living organisms merging to create a super-conducive ecosystem.
Love the Battlestar Galactica reference. One of my favorite shows of all time (along with The Wire).
 

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The thing is, I’m hearing a lot of loneliness throughout this - and other - comment sections.
We all have a sex addiction to some degree. But intimacy really makes the session hotter. The smart girls know this, and they benefit both financially and emotionally from providing a well-tailored session. Their own egos surely enjoy the attention, the simulacra of love from mongers.

But as you point out, it cannot work, and all the guys who think they can have their cake and eat it too - sex and genuine friendship - are ultimately projecting too much onto the provider, who will eventually let them down.

I’m an old fart. I think marriage is the truest route to relational happiness. Mongering is OK if done with no expectations beyond what that hour provides.
But looking to mongering for genuine intimacy is a dead end.
I concur. One of the things that people on the forum seem to forget is that they "pay" these providers to give a damn about them. You don't have to pay your friends or family to give a damn about you. So I never see a provider as anything more than a transactional relationship.
 

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That 'husband' looks like a simp to me because he allows her to share his wife like a neighborhood bicycle. That J-girl got the best of the both worlds. A financially stable 'husband' while screwing everybody on the side and have the option to divorce his 'husband' and take half of his money later on if she doesn't deem his 'husband' not good enough. I wouldn't be jealous to her husband but feel sorry for him. With the crazy hoeflation nowadays, unless the girl is dedicated to marriage, IMO it is better to rent these attractive women and not own them.
The husband seems like a sucker. He has the kid and all the financial responsibilities while other dudes are banging out his wife with no strings attached.
 

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That's the problem nowadays. I'm not that attractive and I go to amps once and most two times a month. I couldn't find an amp girl who gives me enough attention to be my ATF probably because lots of mongers who are willing to simp more than I do.
If you want amp girl love you have to see her at least once a week.
 

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I guess this is the only place where I can vent since only one friend would semi-understand and everyone here gets it. So yeah, I almost forgot that these girls we meet are looking to make money and nothing more. I've been mongering for 16 years, lost my virginity to a 3 way of hookers when I was a teen. I had an 8 year break when I was in a serious relationship which turned into marriage. Now that that's been over for a year I've been back. One of the J girls I fucked I ended up befriending on social and we've been chatting for a bit now. She opened up to me and while she was home we got closer but who knows maybe she shows everyone her personal life after she yells "Iku!"

In the past I kept this strictly sexual and nothing more, no feelings or shit like that. Purely transactional. Which fucked up my real relationships over the years. Just wanted to fuck, no holding hands with girls and they'd be ok with it til they fell in love with me. Even back in the day, I had more fun fucking hookers over normal girls, gave me a rush. Although I did date a stripper senior year in college so that was fun.

For some reason this one girl got me and the way she looked at me so I went with it. We talked about meeting outside of the room semi soon. But I think she came to her senses that she needs to make money and doesn't want to get in trouble so she doesn't think we can meet which made me realize what the fuck am I thinking. Time for me to get out of my fantasy which would inevitably lead nowhere and I should just be happy fucking her when she comes into town. Plus there's definitely other girls I'd want to fuck too at the aamps and outside. Now that I'm single again, I feel like the energizer bunny.

Also, every time I leave these spots I guess girls sense I just had sex or I'm more confident and I get girls numbers. That happen to any of ya'll too?
Rant over...

My friend just told me one thing she wrote to me in Japanese which didn't translate well... she did pick a date to meet but then changed her mind... bitch. lol
Most of the comments here completely lack understanding and perspective. The girls can fall for a guy, but they are very scared to do so and they are afraid to invest the time because there is no way for them to trust any of you all, and making the time and effort would be disruptive to their very delicate financial situation. More so than a US citizen girl that has a regular job, regular family, has the ability to find another job, health insurance, etc...
If you want this J girl, you'll have to do quite a bit for her to prove to her that are neither a player and/or not just here today, and gone tomorrow. The effort is bigger than the typical girls because these girls will experience tremendous hardships if left in a lurch. They hear all kinds of bullshit from insensitive/abusive guys. Try being sensitive, helpful and unselfish for a lengthy time period until trust is built. Then, she will see a real person who cares about you and not so much your money.
 

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If you want amp girl love you have to see her at least once a week.
That's exactly the problem. A few years back I saw my ATF about once a month and she was fine with that.

Most of the comments here completely lack understanding and perspective. The girls can fall for a guy, but they are very scared to do so and they are afraid to invest the time because there is no way for them to trust any of you all, and making the time and effort would be disruptive to their very delicate financial situation. More so than a US citizen girl that has a regular job, regular family, has the ability to find another job, health insurance, etc...
If you want this J girl, you'll have to do quite a bit for her to prove to her that are neither a player and/or not just here today, and gone tomorrow. The effort is bigger than the typical girls because these girls will experience tremendous hardships if left in a lurch. They hear all kinds of bullshit from insensitive/abusive guys. Try being sensitive, helpful and unselfish for a lengthy time period until trust is built. Then, she will see a real person who cares about you and not so much your money.
That's total BS. These women were so used to getting attention from many men as an amp girl and they don't know how to think like a regular civvie and to be devoted to one man. There are some amp girls who managed to close the door on their amp life and managed to live in regular lives but most of them just can't cope, including this J girl. I understand that men have this 'white knight' instinct in trying to save these amp women, but ultimately these women (and not the man) have to save themselves out of this by saving enough money all these years.
 

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That's exactly the problem. A few years back I saw my ATF about once a month and she was fine with that.



That's total BS. These women were so used to getting attention from many men as an amp girl and they don't know how to think like a regular civvie and to be devoted to one man. There are some amp girls who managed to close the door on their amp life and managed to live in regular lives but most of them just can't cope, including this J girl. I understand that men have this 'white knight' instinct in trying to save these amp women, but ultimately these women (and not the man) have to save themselves out of this by saving enough money all these years.
Don't save these whores they don't want to be saved.

Helen nyaf told me her fantasy is to be married and have her husband watch as she gets a train run on her.

They're all trying to cheat the game and become high status by whoring.
 

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Don't save these whores they don't want to be saved.
It's entirely possible to date them and not have to save them. As it's entirely possible to date them without being in any form of committed relationship.

Helen nyaf told me her fantasy is to be married and have her husband watch as she gets a train run on her.

They're all trying to cheat the game and become high status by whoring.
And she would be one of those that would be a bad choice for dating. Not every provider is. Just that some are. You'll never find them when you rule them all out.
 

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I guess this is the only place where I can vent since only one friend would semi-understand and everyone here gets it. So yeah, I almost forgot that these girls we meet are looking to make money and nothing more. I've been mongering for 16 years, lost my virginity to a 3 way of hookers when I was a teen. I had an 8 year break when I was in a serious relationship which turned into marriage. Now that that's been over for a year I've been back. One of the J girls I fucked I ended up befriending on social and we've been chatting for a bit now. She opened up to me and while she was home we got closer but who knows maybe she shows everyone her personal life after she yells "Iku!"

In the past I kept this strictly sexual and nothing more, no feelings or shit like that. Purely transactional. Which fucked up my real relationships over the years. Just wanted to fuck, no holding hands with girls and they'd be ok with it til they fell in love with me. Even back in the day, I had more fun fucking hookers over normal girls, gave me a rush. Although I did date a stripper senior year in college so that was fun.

For some reason this one girl got me and the way she looked at me so I went with it. We talked about meeting outside of the room semi soon. But I think she came to her senses that she needs to make money and doesn't want to get in trouble so she doesn't think we can meet which made me realize what the fuck am I thinking. Time for me to get out of my fantasy which would inevitably lead nowhere and I should just be happy fucking her when she comes into town. Plus there's definitely other girls I'd want to fuck too at the aamps and outside. Now that I'm single again, I feel like the energizer bunny.

Also, every time I leave these spots I guess girls sense I just had sex or I'm more confident and I get girls numbers. That happen to any of ya'll too?
Rant over...

My friend just told me one thing she wrote to me in Japanese which didn't translate well... she did pick a date to meet but then changed her mind... bitch. lol
For these gals to take you seriously as a potential dating partner, you’re dealing with the classic catch-22.

They’ll only seriously go for the men who are in the top 5% on attributes such as physical appearance, income, etc., but if you’re in the top 5%, you wouldn’t be looking to date a provider because you should have access to many better options.

These gals know this and are secretly turned off by guys who want to date a person like them. They’ll still date you, but only if you have sufficient resources for them to exploit.

Even these gals ask: “If the guy is such a great catch, why would he want to date a gal who is taking 10 dicks a day?”

It’s a well-reasoned question, and they’re smart enough to know when something is too good to be true.
 

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Don't save these whores they don't want to be saved.

Helen nyaf told me her fantasy is to be married and have her husband watch as she gets a train run on her.

They're all trying to cheat the game and become high status by whoring.
Exactly. What's worse is that there are simp 'husbands' who are willing to accomodate that request. Today we are normalizing this by having the same simp husbands' who share their OF 'wives' earning money.

One of my ex's relatives did well off was an amp woman back in the days, now in her 70's and managed saved enough money to own rental properties. Of course, she is living by herself alone. And that's a smarter woman who saved enough money to retire. Many of these amp woman don't have the financial sense to save enough money to 'retire' once their looks fade and age catches up with them.
 

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For these gals to take you seriously as a potential dating partner, you’re dealing with the classic catch-22.

They’ll only seriously go for the men who are in the top 5% on attributes such as physical appearance, income, etc., but if you’re in the top 5%, you wouldn’t be looking to date a provider because you should have access to many better options.
You would be amaze at how attractive a Green Card can make you in their eyes.

These gals know this and are secretly turned off by guys who want to date a person like them. They’ll still date you, but only if you have sufficient resources for them to exploit.
And that's why some providers quit the game after scoring a husband. But you don't have to become a husband to date them. Some of them just enjoy a good meal, take in a Broadway show, or just get away for a weekend. I'm fine with that since it's mutual exploitation.

Even these gals ask: “If the guy is such a great catch, why would he want to date a gal who is taking 10 dicks a day?”

It’s a well-reasoned question, and they’re smart enough to know when something is too good to be true.
But they'll still date you. They just won't marry you.
 

krideynyc

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Exactly. What's worse is that there are simp 'husbands' who are willing to accomodate that request. Today we are normalizing this by having the same simp husbands' who share their OF 'wives' earning money.
They've been normalized for a while. A lot of the providers, at least from China, are already married and are here to make money. Often with their husband/family looking after the kid. And it's quite normal for them to divorce first when a Green Card becomes a possibility.
 

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For these gals to take you seriously as a potential dating partner, you’re dealing with the classic catch-22.

They’ll only seriously go for the men who are in the top 5% on attributes such as physical appearance, income, etc., but if you’re in the top 5%, you wouldn’t be looking to date a provider because you should have access to many better options.

These gals know this and are secretly turned off by guys who want to date a person like them. They’ll still date you, but only if you have sufficient resources for them to exploit.

Even these gals ask: “If the guy is such a great catch, why would he want to date a gal who is taking 10 dicks a day?”

It’s a well-reasoned question, and they’re smart enough to know when something is too good to be true.
Let's be honest. Maybe these AMP girls want the top 5%, but these AMP girls themselves are not the top 5%. Even if these Amp girls have the looks rated 6, 7 or 8's, I'm sure most normal men and especially the top 5% would totally disregard them as wife material.
 

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You would be amaze at how attractive a Green Card can make you in their eyes.

And that's why some providers quit the game after scoring a husband. But you don't have to become a husband to date them. Some of them just enjoy a good meal, take in a Broadway show, or just get away for a weekend. I'm fine with that since it's mutual exploitation.

But they'll still date you. They just won't marry you.
@DeuceJiggalow told me about a popular and “sweet” NYC provider who worked an average guy over for a green card. A green card is a resource to exploit as I asserted in my original post.
 
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