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Seeking Arrangments (& other Sugar Daddy sites)
- Thread starter VJLUTZ
- Start date
I found the majority of girls in the 21 to 26 range, attractive, want a minimum of $400, to come to my place and be intimate. Had a few that would do sleepovers when we got comfortable, so them multiple pops were involved, one at night and one in the am before they left. I typically did host, obviously. Since COVID, far too many want online relations, and are also greedier, wanting 600 to 800, which is just out of my league, and quite frankly, just too high a price to pay for pussy, no matter how young and sweet smelling it is. I'm joined for a month twice since March, and have had no luck, but I am quite choosy. Then need to be slim, attractive, typically white or Latin, and I like a nice rack. So if they didn't fall into any of those categories, I would not pursue. And they also need to have a car and drive, UBER is just not an option with me, I'm not paying for her commute also. Perhaps given all this factors my pool was somewhat limited, but I didn't do well this year.
I got about 5 pages in on this thread and then read the last five pages as I just don’t have the ability to read all of this. I signed up for SA but haven’t done the premium yet but seem to be getting some decent bites, even for not focusing my search in the city proper.
From my experience and guidance from other guys well travelled in the SB world I can offer up these suggestions:
1) Don’t get involved in any talk of money or particular acts in the site messenger itself. Message a bit (obviously with profiles that look and seem real) and then ask to take it to text. Also, utilize some sort of text app. For a younger guy who has been hobbying damn near 10 years I was late to the dance on this.
2) Be courteous, polite, and engaging in the initial exchange but don’t waste too much time before getting down to brass tacks. Basically ask them in a courteous and discreet way what they are comfortable in engaging in (whether upfront or at a reasonable time some point down the road) and ask them what they are looking for in terms of a PPM. Every thing I’ve seen shows that what you’d get a good looking girl who is with a reputable agency or Indy for an hour you’d get at least 2-3 from an SB with.
3) Arrange a get together over coffee/pastries/park (whether permitting) to meet and greet but explicitly tell them that this is to meet, see if you’re a good fit personality wise, and that there will be no sort of exchange unless you agree to go behind closed doors. Make sure you’re near a decent 3-4 start hotel (Courtyard, homewood, hyatt place, etc.) that way if she walks in, is exactly as she appeared online, and you feel a decent connection with you can easily take it behind closed doors.
After that you’ll have a decent idea what the girls skill land comfort level are with you. And whether or not it’s worth persuing for a continued arrangement. The only way I would ever agree to a long term allowance would be truly exclusive and at my beck and call (within reason - if I call you Wednesday for an overnight Friday or Saturday you better damn well be there, unless you had long standing plans you had already told me about multiple times, not 3 hours notice) and, if I so decided, able to take out for social functions.
From every conversation I’ve had with anyone (ladies or fellow mongers) about this the general feeling is the girls want to be pampered, don’t mind seeing older (and by that I mean 35+) gentlemen, and are looking for mutually beneficial relationship. Just be upfront about no strings and don’t divulge anything that could be used to harm you.
I’ll be going full bore at this come the first of the year. Lots of girls without any main financial support due to a shrunken job market. And to be fully honest the girls in college now or freshly graduated are at a totally different level in terms of sexual adventure and openness. They were the first where watching porn wasn’t taboo for them (girls) and I’m sure they so a lot and at a much younger age than the women my age. This is what allows you to be frank in discussion with them about what you’re looking for them to provide or at least be willing to try.
From my experience and guidance from other guys well travelled in the SB world I can offer up these suggestions:
1) Don’t get involved in any talk of money or particular acts in the site messenger itself. Message a bit (obviously with profiles that look and seem real) and then ask to take it to text. Also, utilize some sort of text app. For a younger guy who has been hobbying damn near 10 years I was late to the dance on this.
2) Be courteous, polite, and engaging in the initial exchange but don’t waste too much time before getting down to brass tacks. Basically ask them in a courteous and discreet way what they are comfortable in engaging in (whether upfront or at a reasonable time some point down the road) and ask them what they are looking for in terms of a PPM. Every thing I’ve seen shows that what you’d get a good looking girl who is with a reputable agency or Indy for an hour you’d get at least 2-3 from an SB with.
3) Arrange a get together over coffee/pastries/park (whether permitting) to meet and greet but explicitly tell them that this is to meet, see if you’re a good fit personality wise, and that there will be no sort of exchange unless you agree to go behind closed doors. Make sure you’re near a decent 3-4 start hotel (Courtyard, homewood, hyatt place, etc.) that way if she walks in, is exactly as she appeared online, and you feel a decent connection with you can easily take it behind closed doors.
After that you’ll have a decent idea what the girls skill land comfort level are with you. And whether or not it’s worth persuing for a continued arrangement. The only way I would ever agree to a long term allowance would be truly exclusive and at my beck and call (within reason - if I call you Wednesday for an overnight Friday or Saturday you better damn well be there, unless you had long standing plans you had already told me about multiple times, not 3 hours notice) and, if I so decided, able to take out for social functions.
From every conversation I’ve had with anyone (ladies or fellow mongers) about this the general feeling is the girls want to be pampered, don’t mind seeing older (and by that I mean 35+) gentlemen, and are looking for mutually beneficial relationship. Just be upfront about no strings and don’t divulge anything that could be used to harm you.
I’ll be going full bore at this come the first of the year. Lots of girls without any main financial support due to a shrunken job market. And to be fully honest the girls in college now or freshly graduated are at a totally different level in terms of sexual adventure and openness. They were the first where watching porn wasn’t taboo for them (girls) and I’m sure they so a lot and at a much younger age than the women my age. This is what allows you to be frank in discussion with them about what you’re looking for them to provide or at least be willing to try.
I would be lying if I said I gleaned all this myself. ALOT of help in figuring out the playing field came from a monger slightly older and much more experienced in this world who I have befriended, for lack of a better term.
He gave me a lot of guidance, and a lot of knowledge based off his own experiences. I’d say of the 20+ messages in my inbox, I know that probably about 5 of them are real. But those 5 girls are all cute, look like fun, and as they don’t have “glamour model” looks or appear like they are wannabe insta influencers, I have a feeling they have, at the very least, a reasonable PPM of somewhere in the 400 range allowing for somewhere around 2-3 hours of fun.
I’m what I would describe as an intermittent hobbyist. I don’t do this weekly, he’ll probably less than monthly - almost anyone of value worth seeing is city based (barring a few touring favorites), so if I come across a girl I can sneak away to who is much closer than midtown (especially with the pandemic and other associated costs involved in venturing to Manhattan), I’m jumping at the opportunity. And I have a feeling the college girls who are looking for fun, some extra money and not a real relationship, are much more amenable to a daytime/lunch get together if they don’t have class. This allows them to still have their evening open and have money available.
The girls on here who aren’t scammers are open minded and like being flattered by guys willing to cough up a decent amount of money. And most guys are at least halfway decent in bed and reasonably good looking/not ugly. And let’s be honest - everyone gets off on getting someone else off - even young girls with middle aged guys. It’s just like the website suggests - it’s a mutually beneficial arrangement.
He gave me a lot of guidance, and a lot of knowledge based off his own experiences. I’d say of the 20+ messages in my inbox, I know that probably about 5 of them are real. But those 5 girls are all cute, look like fun, and as they don’t have “glamour model” looks or appear like they are wannabe insta influencers, I have a feeling they have, at the very least, a reasonable PPM of somewhere in the 400 range allowing for somewhere around 2-3 hours of fun.
I’m what I would describe as an intermittent hobbyist. I don’t do this weekly, he’ll probably less than monthly - almost anyone of value worth seeing is city based (barring a few touring favorites), so if I come across a girl I can sneak away to who is much closer than midtown (especially with the pandemic and other associated costs involved in venturing to Manhattan), I’m jumping at the opportunity. And I have a feeling the college girls who are looking for fun, some extra money and not a real relationship, are much more amenable to a daytime/lunch get together if they don’t have class. This allows them to still have their evening open and have money available.
The girls on here who aren’t scammers are open minded and like being flattered by guys willing to cough up a decent amount of money. And most guys are at least halfway decent in bed and reasonably good looking/not ugly. And let’s be honest - everyone gets off on getting someone else off - even young girls with middle aged guys. It’s just like the website suggests - it’s a mutually beneficial arrangement.
Everything you said is correct. And I hope you’re successful connecting with one of these younger girls on the site who are in NYC. The problem I’ve found lately is that the majority of the ones in that category either want money for texting beforehand, or want to be paid for M&G, or don’t actually live in NYC, or want only platonic arrangement, or can’t meet now because of COVID. If you can eliminate those, then you’re left with a few possibilities. Let us know how you make out
Ironically I was just going through the site and slightly expanded my search criteria and an acquaintance from LONG ago’s daughter popped up. One picture of her is fake (but somewhat representative, the other two are her.) it says no meet ups in person but that has contradictory stuff like “no strings attached”
I recently took the plunge on the site and got a few girls lined up. A very cute sexual submissive 21 y/o that will do ppm for under $350.
But my question is for those hobbyists who are in a relationship (wife/gf) and how to make sure it doesn’t blow back. I know pro’s are much much easier to keep it on lock.
Thanks guys
But my question is for those hobbyists who are in a relationship (wife/gf) and how to make sure it doesn’t blow back. I know pro’s are much much easier to keep it on lock.
Thanks guys
I never give them any real info about myself. I concoct a fake background story, including name, address location, type of business, etc. Always pay in cash. Don’t leave wallet or IDs visible in the room. If you see them outside the hotel or apt, never let them see your CC at restaurant or elsewhere. Try not to use your car if you have one (they can see your license plate). Use burner to communicate with them. Bottom line is not to leave any clues that might be traceable to your real identity. You never know when one of these girls might turn on you when the arrangement goes south, and it’s best not to leave them ammunition if that happens. Most of the ones I’ve seen really just want the cash and don’t care about my personal details, but occasionally there’s a curious one
Online privacy in this hobby is a interesting topic and I’ve put a lot of thought and research into this over the years. Below are the disciplines I try to practice, some are likely obvious to most, some a little more nuanced:
Practice good browsing habits. Always in private mode. The temptation to autosave log ins to avoid the hassle of logging in manually repeatedly needs to be resisted. Make sure that there isn’t anything logging your browsing history. I don’t mean spyware or key loggers necessarily I mean your router (most have logging features that can be turned on or off), and make sure you are flushing your DNS regularly. If you don’t know what that is, google it and before flushing it, check for yourself what incriminations lie there. I personally don’t feel the need to use a VPN service, I could care less if my ISP has logs showing that I frequent this site and SA.
Use prepaids to purchase memberships. Even if you feel that no one else has access to the card data, look what happened at AM a few years ago. Not worth the risk.
Use a completely separate email from your normal email addresses. This might sound obvious but anyone who browsed the AM hack has seen how many people used their normal email addresses and in many cases, their corporate email addresses.
Just like for email, use a completely separate phone number. Your real phone number is probably linked to dozens of other accounts that can trigger identity finding suggestions in social media apps. Not to mention the logging of every number that calls or texts on your phone account which will be available to anyone who can log into your telecom provider. It’s been a while since I researched the various burner apps, but I’ve always been happy with Hushed. They have a passcode barrier to get in the app, so even if someone is in my phone they cannot get into the sanctum of mischief that could be contained inside the app. It’s user friendly and relatively cheap. Warning: As with everything you do online there are digital fingerprints created with virtually everything you do. Download an app from the app store? That lives forever. Even if you hide it, anyone with access to your Itunes account can go in and see apps that have been hidden. Subscriptions are even easier to find. If you share an apple ID with someone, burner apps might not be the way to go. Google Voice is another alternative and doesn't require an app.
@didi88 mentioned most of what I would suggest about ID protection in his post. Its not just about protecting from scammers or blackmailers, something that starts out in a good way can end with scorned feelings and intents of revenge. Try to protect your ID as best you can. This is one of the toughest aspects of the hobby in my opinion. Between credit cards, hotel check ins, Uber rides (you can set your name to anything, but do be careful about the logging of the trips…more digital fingerprints), it can be tough to keep anonymity. Keep it going as long as you can. A personal preference on fake names: Use the name of an obscure celebrity or minor sports figure. When someone online searches for your fake name it will create a lot of noise in the search results and make it unclear if the name is a fake or if you are just the less famous of your name holders. Google sloopjohnb and see if you get any of my activity from the various mongering sites. It’ll probably be just a lot of beach boys.
Don’t use a picture that has been used anywhere else in the past. Reverse image look up might find it and out you.
Pick discreet locations where you are unlikely to see or be seen by anyone you know. This is always a fear of mine as you can never eliminate this possibility entirely. Also you don’t want to emit vibes like a paranoid wreck looking around all the time. I pick restaurants in locations that are not often frequented by those in my industry and I almost always scout the locations in advance and specifically request tables that are less visible, hoping that in the event there is someone I know there, I might still be able to slink out undetected. I mean I always have a backup story, but who knows how convincingly that would play. I have had 2 instances over the years of near encounters, both were on the street and I narrowly escaped both without being seen. Play out how you would handle if you ran into someone, you’ll likely be more convincing if you’ve mentally rehearsed than if you just stammer a bunch of nonsense on the spot.
Social Media. I honestly feel that anonymous mongering as I know it is in its waning days, largely due to social media and facial recognition technology. For starters Linkedin is the worst. If someone has your first name, the industry and city you work in and a little time on their hands they will likely find you if you have a linkedin profile. Like Didi88 said, you need to have an alternate reality when It comes to your name and occupation. The main social media sites FB, IG, SC, have pretty advanced friend suggestion algorithms. I can’t tell you how many times someone I’ve been in contact with on SA shows up as a friend suggestion weeks later on one of these sites. Sometimes it’s obvious, like you’ve put their phone number in your contacts and that is the number they have associated with their SM account. Often it even says “in your contacts” as the reason for the suggestion. Other times I get suggestions from girls I don’t think I ever put in my contacts. Its often weeks or months after I’d been texting with them, so I can rarely say with 100% certainty that I had never added them to my contacts, but it still raises my concern. (A little side note, the SM sites habitually take your contacts and even f you delete a contact, if the SM site has already uploaded it, they keep it. If you ever need a long deleted contact, go through the process of requesting your data from FB or one of the others….they’ll likely have been holding onto it for you). If social media thinks I know a girl (because I had their number in my contacts, or maybe was in the same place as them multiple times) is it making the same assumption on their end? Am I showing up as a friend suggestion in their feed? I think the answer is likely yes. I suggest keeping all SM private, not having it at all (which is difficult for some), or at the very least use profile pics that are not easily identifiable, such as a pet.
Facial recognition technology. This is going to be the death of us. Its already here, just not prevalent yet. If you use Amazon or Apple photo software you probably know you can select a face and see all the other photos featuring that same person, and it is mostly accurate. Some of you may have read about a company that uses that same style technology to match a single photo with a person’s online identity. There was a publicized case where police officers were using a company selling this kind of tech to photograph random people, learning their ID then checking that ID for warrants, and if they had one, running them down. That’s not legal. Yet. Once this tech goes mainstream…….turn out the lights on your way out.
This post grew to a ridiculous length, hopefully some of it is of value to some of you guys. I’ll add just one final anecdote: a normally cautious friend of mine fell into some sloppy habits because his SO was in no way tech savvy and he was, so he didn’t think he needed to take any special precautions. No matter how clueless you’re SO might be, know that the PI that her divorce attorney hires won’t be.
It’s not possible to practice perfect discipline, there are always loose ends no matter how careful you are, but if you follow the above, I think you’ll minimize your chances of getting scammed, caught, or worse. Good luck.
Practice good browsing habits. Always in private mode. The temptation to autosave log ins to avoid the hassle of logging in manually repeatedly needs to be resisted. Make sure that there isn’t anything logging your browsing history. I don’t mean spyware or key loggers necessarily I mean your router (most have logging features that can be turned on or off), and make sure you are flushing your DNS regularly. If you don’t know what that is, google it and before flushing it, check for yourself what incriminations lie there. I personally don’t feel the need to use a VPN service, I could care less if my ISP has logs showing that I frequent this site and SA.
Use prepaids to purchase memberships. Even if you feel that no one else has access to the card data, look what happened at AM a few years ago. Not worth the risk.
Use a completely separate email from your normal email addresses. This might sound obvious but anyone who browsed the AM hack has seen how many people used their normal email addresses and in many cases, their corporate email addresses.
Just like for email, use a completely separate phone number. Your real phone number is probably linked to dozens of other accounts that can trigger identity finding suggestions in social media apps. Not to mention the logging of every number that calls or texts on your phone account which will be available to anyone who can log into your telecom provider. It’s been a while since I researched the various burner apps, but I’ve always been happy with Hushed. They have a passcode barrier to get in the app, so even if someone is in my phone they cannot get into the sanctum of mischief that could be contained inside the app. It’s user friendly and relatively cheap. Warning: As with everything you do online there are digital fingerprints created with virtually everything you do. Download an app from the app store? That lives forever. Even if you hide it, anyone with access to your Itunes account can go in and see apps that have been hidden. Subscriptions are even easier to find. If you share an apple ID with someone, burner apps might not be the way to go. Google Voice is another alternative and doesn't require an app.
@didi88 mentioned most of what I would suggest about ID protection in his post. Its not just about protecting from scammers or blackmailers, something that starts out in a good way can end with scorned feelings and intents of revenge. Try to protect your ID as best you can. This is one of the toughest aspects of the hobby in my opinion. Between credit cards, hotel check ins, Uber rides (you can set your name to anything, but do be careful about the logging of the trips…more digital fingerprints), it can be tough to keep anonymity. Keep it going as long as you can. A personal preference on fake names: Use the name of an obscure celebrity or minor sports figure. When someone online searches for your fake name it will create a lot of noise in the search results and make it unclear if the name is a fake or if you are just the less famous of your name holders. Google sloopjohnb and see if you get any of my activity from the various mongering sites. It’ll probably be just a lot of beach boys.
Don’t use a picture that has been used anywhere else in the past. Reverse image look up might find it and out you.
Pick discreet locations where you are unlikely to see or be seen by anyone you know. This is always a fear of mine as you can never eliminate this possibility entirely. Also you don’t want to emit vibes like a paranoid wreck looking around all the time. I pick restaurants in locations that are not often frequented by those in my industry and I almost always scout the locations in advance and specifically request tables that are less visible, hoping that in the event there is someone I know there, I might still be able to slink out undetected. I mean I always have a backup story, but who knows how convincingly that would play. I have had 2 instances over the years of near encounters, both were on the street and I narrowly escaped both without being seen. Play out how you would handle if you ran into someone, you’ll likely be more convincing if you’ve mentally rehearsed than if you just stammer a bunch of nonsense on the spot.
Social Media. I honestly feel that anonymous mongering as I know it is in its waning days, largely due to social media and facial recognition technology. For starters Linkedin is the worst. If someone has your first name, the industry and city you work in and a little time on their hands they will likely find you if you have a linkedin profile. Like Didi88 said, you need to have an alternate reality when It comes to your name and occupation. The main social media sites FB, IG, SC, have pretty advanced friend suggestion algorithms. I can’t tell you how many times someone I’ve been in contact with on SA shows up as a friend suggestion weeks later on one of these sites. Sometimes it’s obvious, like you’ve put their phone number in your contacts and that is the number they have associated with their SM account. Often it even says “in your contacts” as the reason for the suggestion. Other times I get suggestions from girls I don’t think I ever put in my contacts. Its often weeks or months after I’d been texting with them, so I can rarely say with 100% certainty that I had never added them to my contacts, but it still raises my concern. (A little side note, the SM sites habitually take your contacts and even f you delete a contact, if the SM site has already uploaded it, they keep it. If you ever need a long deleted contact, go through the process of requesting your data from FB or one of the others….they’ll likely have been holding onto it for you). If social media thinks I know a girl (because I had their number in my contacts, or maybe was in the same place as them multiple times) is it making the same assumption on their end? Am I showing up as a friend suggestion in their feed? I think the answer is likely yes. I suggest keeping all SM private, not having it at all (which is difficult for some), or at the very least use profile pics that are not easily identifiable, such as a pet.
Facial recognition technology. This is going to be the death of us. Its already here, just not prevalent yet. If you use Amazon or Apple photo software you probably know you can select a face and see all the other photos featuring that same person, and it is mostly accurate. Some of you may have read about a company that uses that same style technology to match a single photo with a person’s online identity. There was a publicized case where police officers were using a company selling this kind of tech to photograph random people, learning their ID then checking that ID for warrants, and if they had one, running them down. That’s not legal. Yet. Once this tech goes mainstream…….turn out the lights on your way out.
This post grew to a ridiculous length, hopefully some of it is of value to some of you guys. I’ll add just one final anecdote: a normally cautious friend of mine fell into some sloppy habits because his SO was in no way tech savvy and he was, so he didn’t think he needed to take any special precautions. No matter how clueless you’re SO might be, know that the PI that her divorce attorney hires won’t be.
It’s not possible to practice perfect discipline, there are always loose ends no matter how careful you are, but if you follow the above, I think you’ll minimize your chances of getting scammed, caught, or worse. Good luck.
One more thing I’ll add. Hotels are a potential problem because you need to show ID and CC when checking in. I use a CC which has has no link to any shared accounts; however there is a paper trail involved here so that does involve a potential risk. Another hotel issue is the presence of cameras, both in the lobby and on the elevators. I will check in by myself before she arrives, go the the room, and wait for her to arrive. When she’s downstairs, I give her the room number and have her come to the room to meet me there. When we’re done, she leaves first; I don’t accompany her. Just check out myself. There can also be an issue in some hotels where you can’t get up to the room without a room key, in which case you need to go downstairs and accompany her to the room. In this case, tell her to meet you at the elevator so you can avoid being detected with her by the cameras in the lobby. There are many ways to slip up in these situations. Nothing’s perfect and there are always some risks, but trying to minimize them by thinking things through is a good practice
A friend of mine a few years ago got caught in a sting operation here in Maryland. It was in Howard County and he answered an ad in BP. He went to the hotel and was greeted by an attractive white woman in her 30's. She asked him what he wanted and money was exchanged. She was an undercover Howard County police woman and he got taken to the lockup and was released at 3am. He went to trial and used a cousin of mine who is a semi retired criminal attorney. He got PBJ and was very lucky as it was his first offense.
If you mean the preset keywords that can be selected when establishing a profile, I personally have not found any correlation between those keywords and a girl‘s actual intent on SA. I don’t use them.
The search profile text feature can be very useful in isolating profiles that might be of interest. The words you search for will be entirely dependent on where on the spectrum of SA girls you are trying for. It’s a wide spectrum and the best search words to use will be entirely dependent on the searcher.
I tend to hide profiles where I see phrases like “I know my worth, you should too” or “treated like the princess I am”. Girls that are appealing to me, and that I am appealing to, tend to have more of a modest streak.
Its been discussed here recently the time consuming nature of SA. The sifting through profiles, messaging, texting, snapping, ghosting, getting ghosted, all of it sometimes leading nowhere. For me, that’s Half the thrill of SA. For others, that may be more than they want. Either way, regardless of keywords, profile searching is a time consuming process.
The search profile text feature can be very useful in isolating profiles that might be of interest. The words you search for will be entirely dependent on where on the spectrum of SA girls you are trying for. It’s a wide spectrum and the best search words to use will be entirely dependent on the searcher.
I tend to hide profiles where I see phrases like “I know my worth, you should too” or “treated like the princess I am”. Girls that are appealing to me, and that I am appealing to, tend to have more of a modest streak.
Its been discussed here recently the time consuming nature of SA. The sifting through profiles, messaging, texting, snapping, ghosting, getting ghosted, all of it sometimes leading nowhere. For me, that’s Half the thrill of SA. For others, that may be more than they want. Either way, regardless of keywords, profile searching is a time consuming process.