Observations from an LA Dude...

[LooseGoose]

Been hobbying 20+ years: SF, SJ, Hayward, LA, OC, Irvine, Seattle, Dallas, Chicago...
The days of RB were golden. **hr, **/hr. The last time I felt was a golden age of hobby was around 2017...2018. Maybe the last time I saw Esther/Crystal for $$ in San Jose before she left was probably the last best time...

My most recent trip to the Bay is coming to an end. Will be back, but wondering if you guys realize that you are quickly becoming LA.

Jamie started the upcharge BS and its spreading like wildfire. You gotta stop supporting the upcharge nonsense and tell the bookers you wont.

Im amazed at the price increases in just 1 year.

There are some girls in LA at $$$$ now who have no business at anything other than $$. A half hour appointment in LA is what a full hour was 1 year ago. I went the COrg route a few times this trip for the first time ever and seeing even there the prices are going up.

You vote with your wallet, but also your reviews, and also your feedback to the bookers. A booker tells me a MILF who couldnt get $$ last year is now $$$$ gets "No way. Sorry. Wont ever. Thanks."

You gotta draw the line together or get ready for the quickest route to 5 per hour. Gotta have a united message to the bookers with your wallets and your responses.

Seriously.

Mark this post. I bet in 1 year, you will see hobbyists getting run over by double the prices now. Check the LA Boards....see what I am saying.

Just some friendly observations and wishing you all a great 2023.

 

[darkwingbuck]

Yeah it's gonna happen eventually I think. You see houses that host some girls from LA already doing upcharges, or girl specific upcharges (Bella 350 at SA wtf lol)

Smarter, shrewder org brass will fight this trend off as much as possible but in the end its the girls calls, and eventually even huge stalwarts like LSC VF and such will probably succumb. Just look at M. Went from probably most famous and hard to get in LA shop to a shadow of its own self because girls figured extra money was more important than the agency rep, exclusivity/safety etc.


The issue to me isn't really the rising prices, although I sympathize with mongers who are being priced out. It's really the average quality going down and average value going down as a result. Very few new eye candy gid AND very few new crazy service queens as well.


I think everyone toftts a lot less than before. Girls rebranding is at an all-time high.

And if prices continue to rise while quality keeps going down, eventually there will be a line drawn. People aren't trying to pay 450 for a provider who charged 220 all inclusive five years ago when she was five years younger.

 

[LooseGoose]

That's the other point I forgot to mention like you said: the quality is going downhill quickly.
M has so many bad choices now and all of them are at the highest price point basically.

 

[splv]

I agree with OP and my business does not go to any upcharge girls. We are fortunate to still have many orgs around here who don't do that.
It it's any consolation, I heard from a girl who works in LA/OC that business is slow except for all the girls (mostly north k) who do PSE with no upgharge. Some providers are following suit by offering "bb holiday specials" for no extra.
I hope the downward price pressure continues.

 

[Alexander650]

Been hobbying 20+ years: SF, SJ, Hayward, LA, OC, Irvine, Seattle, Dallas, Chicago...
The days of RB were golden. **hr, **/hr. The last time I felt was a golden age of hobby was around 2017...2018. Maybe the last time I saw Esther/Crystal for $$ in San Jose before she left was probably the last best time...

My most recent trip to the Bay is coming to an end. Will be back, but wondering if you guys realize that you are quickly becoming LA.

Jamie started the upcharge BS and its spreading like wildfire. You gotta stop supporting the upcharge nonsense and tell the bookers you wont.

Im amazed at the price increases in just 1 year.

There are some girls in LA at $$$$ now who have no business at anything other than $$. A half hour appointment in LA is what a full hour was 1 year ago. I went the COrg route a few times this trip for the first time ever and seeing even there the prices are going up.

You vote with your wallet, but also your reviews, and also your feedback to the bookers. A booker tells me a MILF who couldnt get $$ last year is now $$$$ gets "No way. Sorry. Wont ever. Thanks."

You gotta draw the line together or get ready for the quickest route to 5 per hour. Gotta have a united message to the bookers with your wallets and your responses.

Seriously.

Mark this post. I bet in 1 year, you will see hobbyists getting run over by double the prices now. Check the LA Boards....see what I am saying.

Just some friendly observations and wishing you all a great 2023.

Agreed LKS and LSC standard pricing structure and quality are unmatched and as there girls are constantly book you can tell where people are spending their funds. GFEI should be boycotted they freaking ridiculous. Cara Angel's is okay but $$$ for Jade keeps me from seeing her very often. Seri was ridiculously bad for 300 what a joke. But other girls I have seen there at $$6 were standard or above average quality. Honestly if the price goes to $$$$ they put themselves out of business only top girls will get bookings. Though I do see most girls will be at $$$ or slightly more by the end of next year.

 

[Wayne1250]

Don't forget the price of renting apartment, hotels and everything else gets more expensive for these girls too. I think your boycott ideas will not change things. Just adjust your attitudes to 2023 realities. I will say one more thing and that is the quality of the sex is much better now too.

Just have fun, no need to dwell on any negatives.

 

[Pay4]

Sorry, this triggered a big late night gripe rant info random opinion dump...

I only started seeing providers regularly in redbook days because it was $140 to $200/hr and because of reviews. The $300 providers without reviews were always ripoffs worse than the cheaper ones with reviews.

The chinese houses, or the Berkley massage parlor, or Golden Flower were the only ones worth taking a chance walking into that had reasonable price/quality and selection. If nothing struck your fancy you could walk, you weren't obligated. Unlike now where you can't walk on fake pics without consequences.

Without the reviews, it wasn't possible to find a repeatable provider, since I was pissing away 90% of the trial visits which raises the cost of repeatable discovery to >$3000.

Which is my other cost gripe. If I can't tell a provider is 10-15 years older and 15-20lbs fatter than her pics after reading 1/2 a dozen reviews from seemingly credible reviewers what's the point of reviews? I think the orgs have pressured reviewers to euphemize all the looks, so that along with the deceptive pics, you can't actually match mongers with provider looks they are ok with, which makes it more of a crap shoot which raises the cost to find a repeatable provider. Mongers have lost useful choice for new providers because of review distortion which looks like shilling.

I have a couple of providers I would like to try, but only if I could see their real pics or until they have at least 10 reviews. Of course by then, they will move.

LSC has the right idea of low provider turn over and they get most of my business despite me tofting other orgs. I repeat with Della, Terra, Izzy, Sunny, Zina and Elva. I would have repeated with BGC Jamie despite $300 if she stuck around. I repeated with Niya until she went to $300/hr. Otherwise I hardly repeat recently with any other orgs.

Historically, my understanding was providers were ok with lower prices in south bay due to higher business than in LA.

I'm now tofting less, but seeing LSC regulars more because I'm tired of getting burned. Actually, if the provider is difficullt to book like SKS Mia or Joah she's probably good.

I stopped going to GFE because of confusing MSOG upcharges. I get the upcharge for PSE, but if you wear a condom like I do what does it matter if I come. Are we going to get an itemized bill, with separate charges for bj, cim, DATY, come on tits, etc?

Maybe I'm wrong but I think there are way more providers available in the south bay than 4 years ago. There are a bunch of new orgs, like BGC, LKS, SKS, etc. Even existing morphing orgs have grown, like LSC from GSC. My bookmark list is huge. It was never that large. In theory someone could add up providers past vs present numbers. I don't think the monger market has increased to match the provider growth.

So, I think with the increased prices, there will be a drop in new mongers coming into market, and existing mongers will monger less often.

Maybe mongers will be more selective, so popular providers will have too much business like Joah limiting booking to regulars and business will fall off for less popular providers who will need to drop prices which will allow them to make more money.

I think the looks have gotten worse, because the age of providers has gotten older which has caused the service to get better from greater experience.

 

[MrNimbus5000]

This is one of those things we want to keep control of but there are mongers out there that makes money who does not care how much they spend. Those are really the problematic ones. In their view, it would be beneficial for them to price out people from visiting so they don't have to fight other people for the same time slots. No matter how much we tell them to vote with your wallets, they wouldn't care. Some people on here think it's worth the price to pay the upsell of PSE when you get it standard at a lot of different orgs. People rarely votes with their heads when it comes to these things and will justify to themselves as worth it to have that experience. I am sure there are logical punters here that all agree to this but there is this small subsection that just doesn't care, and those are the ones fucking our wallets.

 

[Wayne1250]

There are so many options out there no one has to bust the bank. i am in Philly and things here may be a little better. To date I have never spent more than 320 for a beautiful agency Kgirl with great gfe service. We also have some spas here where for 220 you can see almost the same quality beauty and if lucky get even better gfe service. I might spring for 350 some day at a couple other agencies, but never any more. I think it is just an ego thing for guys to go see the 400 and up providers.

 

[Aznlooker]

I've been going to Corg mostly in the last year or so. I'll visit Korg if I know the provider. I am not trying new korg talent unless I see a bunch of good reviews.

My previous regulars are asking why I don't come by. My answer is simple you guys are overcharging. The girls say it is the boss. The bosses say it's the girls. Truth is both are.

I said it before crap houses need to close. KL, KP AA are on their last legs. I havent visited them in 3+ years. Good riddance

GFEI need to reign in the tiered structure. I agree with OP GFEI/HD Jamie isn't worth 400, I saw her at 220 and I repeated once.

As for the whales who keep spending, well those guys will eventually kill the business because when they leave or stop. Prices will be too high for most of us and the girls will have an over inflated sense of value/worth.
Prices don't come down ever, we can wish all we want it isn't happening. What we should do is stop going to upsell/upcharge places.

So for now I won't see anyone at GFEI either. And I was a regular all the way back to "Spicy Kelly"

 

[DrangodXo]

I agree with those that say price is ok, but lower quality is not. What Ive seen lately has mostly been ~oook or disappointing.

 

[jpowellrulzzz]

Agree 100%, 2017-18 were golden days for variety and bang of the buck. And sadly, doesn't look like we'll get back there anytime soon.

Recession might eventually break rampant price gouging but I don't expect new talent flocking to BA anytime soon, at least not in droves.

 

[Pay4]

This is one of those things we want to keep control of but there are mongers out there that makes money who does not care how much they spend. Those are really the problematic ones. In their view, it would be beneficial for them to price out people from visiting so they don't have to fight other people for the same time slots. No matter how much we tell them to vote with your wallets, they wouldn't care. Some people on here think it's worth the price to pay the upsell of PSE when you get it standard at a lot of different orgs. People rarely votes with their heads when it comes to these things and will justify to themselves as worth it to have that experience. I am sure there are logical punters here that all agree to this but there is this small subsection that just doesn't care, and those are the ones fucking our wallets.

Yeah, I didn't address the apparent increase in whales, like someone supposedly rented Yomi for a week. The orgs have the stats which I would love to see, like 2hr bookings which get priority.allowing 2 day prebook for hot new providers.

I do get a sense that there are more big spenders. Maybe this is a Silicon Valley thing where high end tech wages have gone up. The San Jose golden triangle has always benefited by the concentration of highly paid, single high tech nerds, similar to Wall Streeet highly paid stock traders (however I have no experience in this area). While in LA and elsewhere I think people with money are more spread out, but there is probably more money from tech, entertainment, etc.

Concentrated markets tend to foster competition, so if price drops from over supply of providers are going to happen, then it should be here. If providers who have less than 50% bookings, can increase bookings by more than 20% by dropping prices by 20% would make more money. Classic reason for price drops. Already, there are a few lower cost providers like SexyHouse and maybe FantasyKGirls (who stopped mentioning
$200 1/2hr sessions on website).

There have been a lot of high tech layoffs in valley and house prices, rents have stopped rising. So, I'm hopeful this is the peak before the fall. Despite the feeling that prices will never drop, the high prices are drawing more providers from Korea who will be stubborn about getting these prices.

The prices are not being driven by any deep marketing, pricing analysis which suggests there will be boom overshoot then bust undershoot. At the moment I think LSC is getting way more business per provider than other orgs. LSC was always the last to raise prices except LKS I think is still at $260 for lots.

I'm an optimist, but recognize I'm probably wrong. Our emotional reactions are based on past history that prices have never come down and always risen. However, the reality of economics is stronger than emotions. Arguably, long term the provider market can only sustain a fixed revenue without an increase in mongers or increase in monger disposable income. So, increase in rates, means dropping bookings.

From these musings, I realize that if I can't tell what a provider looks like, I would be more OK with a 1/2 hour booking if 1/2 price which orgs could offer for first visits only, but subsequent would require full hr commitments. This I would think would increase repeats. However, I think a lot of orgs like AA or Mrs. Alpaca depends on lots of one and done mongers who get hooked on the fake pics and not on the repeats. Unfortunately, I don't have stats on this.

 

[Pay4]

I've been going to Corg mostly in the last year or so. I'll visit Korg if I know the provider. I am not trying new korg talent unless I see a bunch of good reviews.

My previous regulars are asking why I don't come by. My answer is simple you guys are overcharging. The girls say it is the boss. The bosses say it's the girls. Truth is both are.

I said it before crap houses need to close. KL, KP AA are on their last legs. I havent visited them in 3+ years. Good riddance

GFEI need to reign in the tiered structure. I agree with OP GFEI/HD Jamie isn't worth 400, I saw her at 220 and I repeated once.

As for the whales who keep spending, well those guys will eventually kill the business because when they leave or stop. Prices will be too high for most of us and the girls will have an over inflated sense of value/worth.
Prices don't come down ever, we can wish all we want it isn't happening. What we should do is stop going to upsell/upcharge places.

So for now I won't see anyone at GFEI either. And I was a regular all the way back to "Spicy Kelly"

Yeah, I've only seen someone at AA if I knew them from elsewhere, like Niya was there for a bit. I saw a Jamie (DD?) at GFE for $300 (not BGC Jamie) and didn't think her worth the up charge.

I'm encouraged that I'm seeing similar reactions to these issues.

 

[carlosdottah]

Don't forget the price of renting apartment, hotels and everything else gets more expensive for these girls too. I think your boycott ideas will not change things. Just adjust your attitudes to 2023 realities. I will say one more thing and that is the quality of the sex is much better now too.

Just have fun, no need to dwell on any negatives.

The quality of the deed and the girls are all both down from my perspective. Not complaining though just part of the game now.

 

[jpowellrulzzz]

The prices are not being driven by any deep marketing, pricing analysis which suggests there will be boom overshoot then bust undershoot. At the moment I think LSC is getting way more business per provider than other orgs. LSC was always the last to raise prices except LKS I think is still at $260 for lots.

You bet. 2020-21 was the overshoot phase. 2023 in when the market sugar-high and sentiment will take a nose dive.

 

[CenturyLink]

I think the average girl in San Jose is way better than whoever is the hottest kgirl available right now. a 7/10 with a tight pussy beats spending 280-300 on a loose kgirl. I really enjoy this hobby but its gotten too expensive and the looks aren't much different than what I can get when I go day gaming.

 

[Brownpodrick]

I started mongering around mid2020 when GFEI was around 220 for Tyra and 260/280 for Allison. LSC was not as big at that time, and were charging 200-220. There was other orgs charging 180h. Sad to see where it is right now. I think the issue is not the price but “bang for buck” literally!

Events from 2019-now that lead to this:
Covid slowdown
Economy
Simping Mongers supporting $$$

 

[kevbinx2]

Agree with OP. I’ve been saying don’t support upcharge as we don’t want LA bullshit up here in the bay. I continue to not pay upcharge.
I’m unsure if the above is the norm or not. Inflation has messed things up big as everyone can’t buy the same things they use to. Eventually supply/demand balances out - hoping things balances out soon.

 

[RonaldoM]

Agree with OP in general. I normally can muster 1 shot these days for an hr appt although I do like trying for a second. So I normally spend more time in foreplay and making out prior to sex. Is the recommendation not to visit orgs that up charge OR not to pay for upcharges? While I prefer an all inclusive session, I may be ok doing a session with a particular girl (in an org that upcharges) but not partaking in upcharge items.