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[BIGBOB62]

I'm old enough to remember when people said computers were a niche thing, the internet was only useful for military and science, cell phones were a luxury for the rich and video calls were a fad. But forunately not old enough to remember people desperately holding on to the inherent safety of gas street lamps over electric ones.


The pollution aspect is the only one of your arguments that has any long term merit. I just don't know, time will tell. You don't have to like it, but it's going to happen anyway, and with gas at 6 bucks a gallon it's going to happen even faster. You're going to be able to choose in a new car for about 15 years. After that, gas is gone.

 

[jim_hatez]

This thread will be closed my prediction. Before that happens I will contribute 2 cents. To say the pricing is all because of Russia is ridiculous. Gas went up 50% prior to Russia stepping foot in Ukraine. Markets are speculative. While POTUS doesn't control prices, when they are clearly anti-fossil fuel, signaling shifts in policy and taking actions to show it's not just a bluff like closing pipeline, signals to traders the market will become tighter and demand will outpace supply. This is why we saw such a spike prior to Russian oil coming out of the overall market. If you disagree with this, you are quite simply, not correct.

 

[Oliver Klozoff]

I disagree. It is NOT invevitable. EV's are a complete failure...cost wise, environmentally wise when talking about mining for the materials that go into the lithium batteries they require and their eventual disposal, and their ineffective range and long charging times as compared to a gasoline powered car. And, with the electrical grid outdated, crumbling, and underpowered, you'll be glad you keep your '50's truck as a backup.

A complete failure? I'm skeptical of your concern for the environment, but the oil industry has a 100-year old trail of destruction to follow in that regard. Range has doubled or tripled in last 5 years. Charging times have been cut in half or more. For the capitalists in the crowd, Tesla's market cap is over $700 billion, which makes them the 6th most valuable company in the world. For contrast, Ford's market cap is around $50 billion. Even Rivian, who have delivered only a few hundred vehicles, has a market cap of $25bn. Most of the auto manufacturers are pledging to go all electric in the next decade or so. Even the big oil companies are upping their investment in renewables and trying to rebrand themselves as "energy" companies. So, should we follow the big money? Or listen to some random dude on the internet? Inevitable? Maybe not, but it IS inevitable that the world will run out of oil, so if not EV's and renewables, then what?

 

[PorterD]

At the end of the day; People want results and not excuses. If the Ny Yankees are losing bad; the coach can say whatever little story pops into his head; but people want wins not stories; and he will get the ax whether it’s his fault or not. Same goes for the leadership of our country. The buck will stop there whether they want it to or not.

 

[PerfectC]

A complete failure? I'm skeptical of your concern for the environment, but the oil industry has a 100-year old trail of destruction to follow in that regard. Range has doubled or tripled in last 5 years. Charging times have been cut in half or more. For the capitalists in the crowd, Tesla's market cap is over $700 billion, which makes them the 6th most valuable company in the world. For contrast, Ford's market cap is around $50 billion. Even Rivian, who have delivered only a few hundred vehicles, has a market cap of $25bn. Most of the auto manufacturers are pledging to go all electric in the next decade or so. Even the big oil companies are upping their investment in renewables and trying to rebrand themselves as "energy" companies. So, should we follow the big money? Or listen to some random dude on the internet? Inevitable? Maybe not, but it IS inevitable that the world will run out of oil, so if not EV's and renewables, then what?

I can see you that you have NO idea where the ELECTRICITY for these EV's comes from, do you??

 

[BIGBOB62]

I can see you that you have NO idea where the ELECTRICITY for these EV's comes from, do you??

Well, it doesn’t come from oil, so I guess you have no idea either.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php

 

[PerfectC]

Well, it doesn’t come from oil, so I guess you have no idea either.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php

It can...from gasoline powered generators.

 

[ASHP585]

Well, it doesn’t come from oil, so I guess you have no idea either.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php

You know that natural gas is often discovered and drilled in the same process as the oil? There is a correlation.

 

[Oliver Klozoff]

I can see you that you have NO idea where the ELECTRICITY for these EV's comes from, do you??

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion from what I wrote. It's not oil, if that's what you're hinting at. In the US, it's around 20% from renewables, a percentage that's increasing. I despise politics. I prefer solutions that I can make without the government getting involved. I'll say it again: The world is going to run out of oil in the near future. What's your recommendation for a replacement?

 

[BIGBOB62]

You know that natural gas is often discovered and drilled in the same process as the oil? There is a correlation.

I’ll think about it, the first time I fill up my car with natural gas.

 

[ASHP585]

You'll be thinking about it when you pay your home utility bills or plug in your EV sooner then later....

In NJ, the utilities use a one year rolling average to calculate price. In places like PA, where that isn't the process, go check out what just happened the beginning of June to their home utility bills....Be patient, it's coming.

 

[Oliver Klozoff]

You know that natural gas is often discovered and drilled in the same process as the oil? There is a correlation.

But it's also not renewable, except for biogas, which has some quantity and quality issues.

 

[BIGBOB62]

You'll be thinking about it when you pay your home utility bills or plug in your EV sooner then later....

In NJ, the utilities use a one year rolling average to calculate price. In places like PA, where that isn't the process, go check out what just happened the beginning of June to their home utility bills....Be patient, it's coming.

Converted my house to solar 12 years ago. All I’ll be thinking about is how much money I’ll be making selling my excess power back into the grid.

 

[PerfectC]

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion from what I wrote. It's not oil, if that's what you're hinting at. In the US, it's around 20% from renewables, a percentage that's increasing. I despise politics. I prefer solutions that I can make without the government getting involved. I'll say it again: The world is going to run out of oil in the near future. What's your recommendation for a replacement?

No...wrong again. We have more than 100 years of oil reserves that are untapped. If oil runs out, there is always natural gas and nuclear power. Solar power is in it's infancy...and I know...I have a backup solar system. Just look at what happened in Texas this past winter. The whole grid collapsed when natural gas powered electricity plants went offline and there was no sun and the windmills froze. The only reliable source of electricity today is anything other than solar or wind.

 

[PerfectC]

Converted my house to solar 12 years ago. All I’ll be thinking about is how much money I’ll be making selling my excess power back into the grid.

Do you have a backup battery system BIGBOB62 or are you completely grid tied? You probably know if the grid goes down and the sun is out you have no electricity...

 

[BIGBOB62]

Do you have a backup battery system BIGBOB62 or are you completely grid tied? You probably know if the grid goes down and the sun is out you have no electricity...

Initially, not really, just a small UPS/Battery system which basically was for keeping the internet and a couple lights on. I’ve put in a big battery system now. Battery tech has evolved a lot in the last couple years and it got practical. Where I live you can now upgrade your system to handle charging your EV and then sell all your excess back, so I did both at same time. Used to use vast amounts of oil here, like 500 bucks a month in winter. Now I make decent money off it.

 

[metal rat]

When the freeze hit Texas hard a couple years ago, we lost power for several days, I did fine due to having a couple generators to keep my home going. Apparently the wind turbines froze, funny thing is, they had to gather up some gasoline powered generators to thaw them bitches out, lol. I’m open to converting to EV’s but the power charging grid has to be as available as current gasoline stations.

 

[ATLguy]

I can see you that you have NO idea where the ELECTRICITY for these EV's comes from, do you??

It comes from a unicorn's ass along with rainbows?

 

[Oliver Klozoff]

No...wrong again. We have more than 100 years of oil reserves that are untapped. If oil runs out, there is always natural gas and nuclear power. Solar power is in it's infancy...and I know...I have a backup solar system. Just look at what happened in Texas this past winter. The whole grid collapsed when natural gas powered electricity plants went offline and there was no sun and the windmills froze. The only reliable source of electricity today is anything other than solar or wind.

What am I wrong about? Most estimates I've seen say we only have around 50-75 years worth of oil left. But even if it's 100+ years, that's a blip in the timeline of human existence. Like I said in an earlier post, oil is used for a lot more things than fuel, and many of those things don't have any substitute. We have reasonably good substitutes for powering some things like cars. We should be working to bring those things into the mix as soon as possible. Your original statement was that EV's are a "total failure". That's clearly wrong. There are over 10 million of them on the road already. For the record, I don't own one yet, but I'm hoping to. I'm kicking myself for not putting down a deposit on the F-150 Lightning. Looks like a nice truck.

 

[PerfectC]

What am I wrong about? Most estimates I've seen say we only have around 50-75 years worth of oil left. But even if it's 100+ years, that's a blip in the timeline of human existence. Like I said in an earlier post, oil is used for a lot more things than fuel, and many of those things don't have any substitute. We have reasonably good substitutes for powering some things like cars. We should be working to bring those things into the mix as soon as possible. Your original statement was that EV's are a "total failure". That's clearly wrong. There are over 10 million of them on the road already. For the record, I don't own one yet, but I'm hoping to. I'm kicking myself for not putting down a deposit on the F-150 Lightning. Looks like a nice truck.

What am I wrong about? Most estimates I've seen say we only have around 50-75 years worth of oil left. But even if it's 100+ years, that's a blip in the timeline of human existence. Like I said in an earlier post, oil is used for a lot more things than fuel, and many of those things don't have any substitute. We have reasonably good substitutes for powering some things like cars. We should be working to bring those things into the mix as soon as possible. Your original statement was that EV's are a "total failure". That's clearly wrong. There are over 10 million of them on the road already. For the record, I don't own one yet, but I'm hoping to. I'm kicking myself for not putting down a deposit on the F-150 Lightning. Looks like a nice truck.

What am I wrong about? Most estimates I've seen say we only have around 50-75 years worth of oil left. But even if it's 100+ years, that's a blip in the timeline of human existence. Like I said in an earlier post, oil is used for a lot more things than fuel, and many of those things don't have any substitute. We have reasonably good substitutes for powering some things like cars. We should be working to bring those things into the mix as soon as possible. Your original statement was that EV's are a "total failure". That's clearly wrong. There are over 10 million of them on the road already. For the record, I don't own one yet, but I'm hoping to. I'm kicking myself for not putting down a deposit on the F-150 Lightning. Looks like a nice truck.

Even Elon Musk at Tesla has said the EV is not for everybody because of the cost of these vehicles. They are essentially playtoys and status symbols for the rich...and I am no liberal saying this. EV's have a poor range and long charging time as compared to 5 minutes to gas up a gas vehicle and the long range of a gas vehicle. EV's also pollute more than gas vehicles...the heavy weight of EV's, because of the heavy batteries they carry, causes extreme tire wear. As an EV goes down the road the tires are emitting tiny particulates that pollute the air more than a tailpipe of a gasoline powered vehicle. And also, there is pollution caused by the production of electricity from fossils fuels to charge these EV's that is not even mentioned. The Green New Deal leftists won't tell you this, they're all in on EV's for political reasons. I will wait for hydrogen powered vehicles, where the only byproduct will be h2o...water!! Until then, I'll be pressing my gas pedal to the FLOOR!! haha