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East Lake II

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The problem is, even if they give themselves away, the monger might be to far down the rabbit hole to even see it much less recognize and process what just happened.
 

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What if I don't care about what she does when she's not with me. I don't. I care about what she does and how she feels towards me when she is with me. That's it. Sincere or not, I choose to believe the illusion.
It's the best part of this hobby.
There is enough bullshit in real life. I enjoy fantasyland when I'm in fantasyland. And I do what I can to savor the memory as long as I can.
I agree that just cause she sees others doesn't mean she doesn't care about you. Furthermore just cause you care for her, doesn't mean you are becoming posessive of her and want to keep her to yourself. Some Men can become this way but not necessarily all.
 

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Very true. She might care about you, but if she is seeing and chatting with others she doesn't LOVE you. Even if she THINKS she does.
 

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The criteria here will no doubt vary from person to person. But here are some I use that seem pretty sure-fire:

1. Does she chat with you obsessively? [Including getting worried when you don't immediately respond and frequently asking for your picture.]
2. Does she fuck you for free outside the spa? Will she commute on a bus over an hour (there and back) out of her own pocket to fuck you for free?
3. Does she buy you expensive gifts w/o you asking or even making any material demands on you?
4. Does she regularly tell you she loves you?

If the answer to all four is "Yes", then she cares about you. I have seen that behavior combo, but only out of one [legit] spa girl, out of over 100.

Back in the day, when I dated civvies, they way to tell if they really liked you was: would they offer to pay for stuff (like dinner or drinks)? That, and a certain strained face they made (which I've seen on multiple girls, but never seen described online), was a tell-tale sign that I could get them into bed that night. Or....if they offered to give you a BJ in the bushes.
I find these girls have a certain hierarchy of caring, briefly:

1) PARENTS/SIBLINGS---seem to head the list and who can blame them
2) CHILDREN---much further down, they are often abandoned for years, foisted upon the parents back home to bring up, as they chase their fortunes here in the states
3) BEST FRIENDS BACK HOME---I hear them calling them frequently and buying things for them
4) OTHER AMP GIRLS---They tend to develop close relationships with other working girls, not a lot but some become 'best friends"..
5) HUSBANDS, BOYFRIENDS, and MEN IN GENERAL---bottom of the barrel in terms of them caring for. Usually not in the same galaxy as those listed above.
Thats a pretty impressive list. I suspect most Men haven't encountered Women, amp wise like that. I've had regular dates do all that but amp girls. Even myself who is confident am not sure I can get amp girls to do that. Maybe if I spoiled them and bought their heart but then what's the point? But that's the beauty myself I don't view them as gf material so I will never chase them this way. Even the 4 or so that text me on wechat.... "I miss you" I respond I miss you too. "Come see me.... It's been too long" she says I may respond yes it has. But I would never respond for free. She may miss me but I'm sure. Even though she likes my stroke game and may like my company the money she gets from me supercedes all that.

Almost all Woman that see Men for money has a skewed view of Men. Can the same be said of Men who pay Women? Perhaps. I admire Women I think we are equal in most things. Some things they are better. Some things we are better. I still HAVE to stop seeing pros for a yr or many mos every few years. Just cause well mainly I don't want to view all Women like pros. They are all different to a certain extent.
 

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Thats a pretty impressive list. I suspect most Men haven't encountered Women, amp wise like that. I've had regular dates do all that but amp girls. Even myself who is confident am not sure I can get amp girls to do that. Maybe if I spoiled them and bought their heart but then what's the point? But that's the beauty myself I don't view them as gf material so I will never chase them this way. Even the 4 or so that text me on wechat.... "I miss you" I respond I miss you too. "Come see me.... It's been too long" she says I may respond yes it has. But I would never respond for free. She may miss me but I'm sure. Even though she likes my stroke game and may like my company the money she gets from me supercedes all that.

Almost all Woman that see Men for money has a skewed view of Men. Can the same be said of Men who pay Women? Perhaps. I admire Women I think we are equal in most things. Some things they are better. Some things we are better. I still HAVE to stop seeing pros for a yr or many mos every few years. Just cause well mainly I don't want to view all Women like pros. They are all different to a certain extent.
“Almost all Woman that see Men for money has a skewed view of Men.” Probably, I’ve heard a few comments from them that would lead me to believe this is true.

“Can the same be said of Men who pay Women?” Good question. Only we can answer that. Over time?

I think they think we have that view of women. Again, based on questions they have asked me.
 

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“Almost all Woman that see Men for money has a skewed view of Men.” Probably, I’ve heard a few comments from them that would lead me to believe this is true.

“Can the same be said of Men who pay Women?” Good question. Only we can answer that. Over time?

I think they think we have that view of women. Again, based on questions they have asked me.
And I can respect and understand them thinking that.
 

VJLUTZ

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“Almost all Woman that see Men for money has a skewed view of Men.” Probably, I’ve heard a few comments from them that would lead me to believe this is true.

“Can the same be said of Men who pay Women?” Good question. Only we can answer that. Over time?

I think they think we have that view of women. Again, based on questions they have asked me.
In the eyes of women, it's impossible to separate a man from his money. Just like in the eyes of men, you can't separate a woman from her looks.
I've had women exclaim how "hot" Jeff Bezos looks. However, I'm sure he would just look weird to them if he was another penniless Joe.

I'd say maybe 0.5% of women would just love you for the sex alone. But they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Sex does not pay the bills, let alone buy her luxury labels (which are must have for Asian girls).
 

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In the eyes of women, it's impossible to separate a man from his money. Just like in the eyes of men, you can't separate a woman from her looks.
I've had women exclaim how "hot" Jeff Bezos looks. However, I'm sure he would just look weird to them if he was another penniless Joe.

I'd say maybe 0.5% of women would just love you for the sex alone. But they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Sex does not pay the bills, let alone buy her luxury labels (which are must have for Asian girls).
Agree 100% that males are focused on youth and beauty. At least I know that I am, and I believe most other guys are as well.
But we also have a sense of honor and loyalty. A male might stick with a female as her youth and beauty is fading, remembering that she gave herself to him at the height of her youth and beauty.

But as far as females focused on money, I would say that is only 50%.
Sure, they will bang guys for money, and all the things that money can buy.
But...They also want that "bad boy" with the motorcycle and tattoos abnd possibly no job.

And what's more, they want both those things for 1 reason.
To make their friends envious.
That seems to be the overriding drive in the female brain.
To gain higher and higher status in the eyes of their friends.
 

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The thing about asian girls is that I've been with some that have been about 55 years old, who I considered youthful and beautiful looking. So I guess I am mainly interested in youth and beauty too, but my range in years probably goes a little further than some. I guess that is because when I started hobbying seriously I was in my very early 40's and the only places in my area in NJ had girls also mostly in their 40's if not higher. So I got used to that. I had nothing else to compare it to. It's only been in the past few years or so I have been seeing girls in their 30's. For me it's all good.
 

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I guess I have a different list of criteria about caring. The presumption with what's posted, seems to be whether she is a girlfriend or not. or if you are jaded, whether she can make money off you or not.
but what about:
1. she chats you up, even though she knows you are a couple thousand miles apart and there is no way she is getting a visit out of you?
2. she helps you find a girl, when you go to another town, or even better, she steers you away from a shop, or a girl that she knows is no good?
3. you can call her up when you need help with a chinese translation, and she skips a rotation to get on a call and help you out?
4.she's retired, but invites you to stay with her, cooks for you, and willing to do it just for fun?
5. she hounds you about diet, physical maladies every day?

these are all things that have happened to me. iIts not because I am something special. Its because I treat them like friends (in a complicated way) from the very start, am honest to them. And i reiterate/initiate in kind for them when they ask. In other words it can be like any other friendship.

As to the percentage, thats a crass question. But I have more than 10 spa girls who i have been in contact with for over 10 years now like this.
 

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The thing about asian girls is that I've been with some that have been about 55 years old, who I considered youthful and beautiful looking. So I guess I am mainly interested in youth and beauty too, but my range in years probably goes a little further than some. I guess that is because when I started hobbying seriously I was in my very early 40's and the only places in my area in NJ had girls also mostly in their 40's if not higher. So I got used to that. I had nothing else to compare it to. It's only been in the past few years or so I have been seeing girls in their 30's. For me it's all good.
I started when I was 20.
So I suppose that was when my standards were set.
And you could get just about anything you wanted on 11th Ave back in the 80s on a Saturday night.
 

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I started when I was 20.
So I suppose that was when my standards were set.
And you could get just about anything you wanted on 11th Ave back in the 80s on a Saturday night.
God damn you started early. When I was 20 the only thing on my mind was heavy metal music, partying, and sports. I was about 30 when my friend told me about massage parlors. Before that I was so naive I had no idea sex was even offered there.
 

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God damn you started early. When I was 20 the only thing on my mind was heavy metal music, partying, and sports. I was about 30 when my friend told me about massage parlors. Before that I was so naive I had no idea sex was even offered there.
I got sick and tired being a college junior virgin. And did something about it.
And yeah I liked heavy metal (Priest and Maiden!), drinking and sports too.
Once I learned I could get laid at will, there was no turning back.
 

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I got sick and tired being a college junior virgin. And did something about it.
And yeah I liked heavy metal (Priest and Maiden!), drinking and sports too.
Once I learned I could get laid at will, there was no turning back.
Wish I would have known you back then, lol. Could have had 15 extra years AMP experience! Don't know about 'laid at will' for me though. That would have required a good job, lol
 

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Agree 100% that males are focused on youth and beauty. At least I know that I am, and I believe most other guys are as well.
But we also have a sense of honor and loyalty. A male might stick with a female as her youth and beauty is fading, remembering that she gave herself to him at the height of her youth and beauty.

But as far as females focused on money, I would say that is only 50%.
Sure, they will bang guys for money, and all the things that money can buy.
But...They also want that "bad boy" with the motorcycle and tattoos abnd possibly no job.

And what's more, they want both those things for 1 reason.
To make their friends envious.
That seems to be the overriding drive in the female brain.
To gain higher and higher status in the eyes of their friends.
That is a really good point about status. In my youth, I ran into a fair number of girls who chased bad boys. These were the ones who told me I was "too nice". At the time, that critique really stung, but now I'm grateful. It was a good filter to weed out the crazy bitches. A lot of the women who chased bad boys in their teens & twenties grew out of it by the time they hit 30. The ones that didn't probably ended up at the bottom of the trash heap. They're the fat, ugly ones you see strutting around Walmart covered in faded tattoos, wearing halters & camel toe shorts, paying with EBT cards. Fuck 'em - they reaped what they sowed.

Yeah, Asian women do seem to care about status a lot more than most Western women do. In a way, I like that because it makes logical sense. The Bad Boy Chasers never made a lot of sense to me, except when I heard one tell me that "a bad ass makes a girl's heart beat faster". That kind of implies that there is some kind of biological selection mechanism at work. Some women are probably programmed to preserve the Bad Ass genes for when Society really needs 'em.
 

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That is a really good point about status. In my youth, I ran into a fair number of girls who chased bad boys. These were the ones who told me I was "too nice". At the time, that critique really stung, but now I'm grateful. It was a good filter to weed out the crazy bitches. A lot of the women who chased bad boys in their teens & twenties grew out of it by the time they hit 30. The ones that didn't probably ended up at the bottom of the trash heap. They're the fat, ugly ones you see strutting around Walmart covered in faded tattoos, wearing halters & camel toe shorts, paying with EBT cards. Fuck 'em - they reaped what they sowed.

Yeah, Asian women do seem to care about status a lot more than most Western women do. In a way, I like that because it makes logical sense. The Bad Boy Chasers never made a lot of sense to me, except when I heard one tell me that "a bad ass makes a girl's heart beat faster". That kind of implies that there is some kind of biological selection mechanism at work. Some women are probably programmed to preserve the Bad Ass genes for when Society really needs 'em.
Western born Women like a Man to put them in their place. Non physically ofc. They like a Man that will call them on their shit. A Man that does what he wants.... That's where the bad ass comes in. Ima say this I've never been a bad ass but I've never taken shit from dates. Never taken shit from anyone but gfs and that's only the ones I've lived 3 or 4. Anyway I've told 3 or 4 girls to get out My car. Last time it happened was fuck 7 yrs ago. Anyway outta the 4 all stopped dead in their tracks the bullshit they were doing and capitulated that I'm not the one to try the bullshit on. They were All intrigued except for one... I'll get to that one. So they understood I'm a Man and they aren't going to manipulate me or disrespect me. Every one of them a few hours later I'm fucking the shit outta them. On dates I've also not called Women after the date. I've not texted girls back right away. All the Women feel in their minds. Damn why is this guy not sweating me not kissing my ass? They realize I have high self esteem I aint gonna kowtow to them.

Anyway the one girl who actually got out the car I actually pursued and we eventually became engaged. I'm also attracted to strength in Women. However they have to be attractive as well.
 

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Western born Women like a Man to put them in their place. Non physically ofc. They like a Man that will call them on their shit. A Man that does what he wants.... That's where the bad ass comes in. Ima say this I've never been a bad ass but I've never taken shit from dates. Never taken shit from anyone but gfs and that's only the ones I've lived 3 or 4. Anyway I've told 3 or 4 girls to get out My car. Last time it happened was fuck 7 yrs ago. Anyway outta the 4 all stopped dead in their tracks the bullshit they were doing and capitulated that I'm not the one to try the bullshit on. They were All intrigued except for one... I'll get to that one. So they understood I'm a Man and they aren't going to manipulate me or disrespect me. Every one of them a few hours later I'm fucking the shit outta them. On dates I've also not called Women after the date. I've not texted girls back right away. All the Women feel in their minds. Damn why is this guy not sweating me not kissing my ass? They realize I have high self esteem I aint gonna kowtow to them.

Anyway the one girl who actually got out the car I actually pursued and we eventually became engaged. I'm also attracted to strength in Women. However they have to be attractive as well.
I as well have a DGAF attitude.
But that's had very different ramifications for my life.
Good thing I DGAF... :devilish:
 
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