Bloodthirsty female sex traffickers with ties to China took cheery selfies just hours after victim beaten with rolling pin: DA

[Enkidu_10]

For the Chinese providers... A lot are here w/o legal immigration status.

For people here Pre-covid over staying on a tourist visa was more common.

For people here Post-covid they can not get exit visas from China to come to the US. So They fly to the middle east and then central/south America and come in through the southern border. They spend tens of thousands on the journey hoping for a better life... its not like the spa's are the ones smuggling them into the country or forcing them into that work, so 'sex trafficking' is a misleading term IMO

 

[krideynyc]

They spend tens of thousands on the journey hoping for a better life... its not like the spa's are the ones smuggling them into the country or forcing them into that work, so 'sex trafficking' is a misleading term IMO

I'll agree trafficking is a lot less than before. But some of the girls are still "trafficked" into the hobby as a way to pay off those smugglers. Case in point, the arrests that started this thread.

 

[Enkidu_10]

I'll agree trafficking is a lot less than before. But some of the girls are still "trafficked" into the hobby as a way to pay off those smugglers. Case in point, the arrests that started this thread.

I guess it depends how broad a definition of "trafficked" you have. Do you consider all the Chinese construction workers who do that back breaking work for money trafficked as well?

 

[krideynyc]

I guess it depends how broad a definition of "trafficked" you have. Do you consider all the Chinese construction workers who do that back breaking work for money trafficked as well?

No I don't. Traffick for me is defined as doing it against their will. Especially something illegal.

 

[Enkidu_10]

No I don't. Traffick for me is defined as doing it against their will. Especially something illegal.

Illegal... Like massage or construction without the proper permitting?

 

[krideynyc]

Illegal... Like massage or construction without the proper permitting?

Illegal, like sex work. Massage and construction work is legal.

 

[Enkidu_10]

Illegal, like sex work. Massage and construction work is legal.

un-licensed construction work isn't legal. It's just not criminal, just like prostitution in NYC.

What do you think of the girls from non affluent families that go to NYU and other schools & get into sex work to pay the bills? I think most providers have more in common with them than the women in this NYP article.

 

[Dukey20]

Most of us do some kind of work to earn money. Most of us have travelled from one place to another to work for money. Some of us have crossed state lines or international lines on our way to a new job and new opportunity to work for money.

Sex work is a type of work.

 

[krideynyc]

un-licensed construction work isn't legal. It's just not criminal, just like prostitution in NYC.

You can do massage work in NYC without a license. As long as one person on premise is a LMT. There is no construction worker's license. It is illegal to work without the proper documentation. But if we start enforcing that, most of the AMP's in NYC will shut down.

What do you think of the girls from non affluent families that go to NYU and other schools & get into sex work to pay the bills? I think most providers have more in common with them than the women in this NYP article.

Are they forced? Could you at least try and stay on topic?

 

[krideynyc]

Most of us do some kind of work to earn money. Most of us have travelled from one place to another to work for money. Some of us have crossed state lines or international lines on our way to a new job and new opportunity to work for money.

Sex work is a type of work.

That's not the question. Question is: were you forced to do that work against your will?

 

[Ankle_Socks]

You can do massage work in NYC without a license. As long as one person on premise is a LMT. There is no construction worker's license. It is illegal to work without the proper documentation. But if we start enforcing that, most of the AMP's in NYC will shut down.

Are they forced? Could you at least try and stay on topic?

You should have a OSHA card, if you do not DOB will shut you down...so technically there us a type of license.
Also for many fields you need a permit, obtainable from FDNY dow town brooklyn, you have to take a test, have ypur photo taken, and you have to be sent there via a letter of recommendation from your employer.

So yes many people are doing construction illegally
Just has how many people hire nannies or babysitters illegally, some pay cash and leave it at that. Some pay cash and then screw them over tax season by issuing a 1099

 

[krideynyc]

You should have a OSHA card, if you do not DOB will shut you down...so technically there us a type of license.

These are the responsibility of the spa owner. Not counting a business license. For the employee/provider, as long as someone there is a LMT, they can do massage work without a license.

Also for many fields you need a permit, obtainable from FDNY dow town brooklyn, you have to take a test, have ypur photo taken, and you have to be sent there via a letter of recommendation from your employer.

This would fall under proper documentation.

YSo yes many people are doing construction illegally
Just has how many people hire nannies or babysitters illegally, some pay cash and leave it at that. Some pay cash and then screw them over tax season by issuing a 1099

Legally being allowed to do so is a separate discussion.

 

[Ankle_Socks]

These are the responsibility of the spa owner. Not counting a business license. For the employee/provider, as long as someone there is a LMT, they can do massage work without a license.

This would fall under proper documentation.



Legally being allowed to do so is a separate discussion.

These are the responsibility of the spa owner. Not counting a business license. For the employee/provider, as long as someone there is a LMT, they can do massage work without a license.

This would fall under proper documentation.

Legally being allowed to do so is a separate discussion.

The OSHA i am referring to relates to the construction industry.

No documentation, has little.to do with it, more about corruption especially in NYC.

And the people who hire nannies and pull that crap are legally allowed to do it, because many nannies are either visiting temporarily or illegal.

Funny thing is illegal aliens account for over 2 billion in tax revenue .....i wonder how much our able bodied welfare recipients account for

 

[krideynyc]

The OSHA i am referring to relates to the construction industry.

No documentation, has little.to do with it, more about corruption especially in NYC.

In that case, change Spa Owner to Licensed Contractor, and it still applies. His construction crew don't need licenses. Just someone to make sure OSHA rules are met for work place safety.

And the people who hire nannies and pull that crap are legally allowed to do it, because many nannies are either visiting temporarily or illegal.

The Au Pair industry is quite interesting. Part cultural exchange. Part Student Visa. Part work experience. Also rumored to be quite the talent pool for Indies for our hobby.

Funny thing is illegal aliens account for over 2 billion in tax revenue .....i wonder how much our able bodied welfare recipients account for

Don't know what the welfare tax income is. Should look it up. But can't be much, if welfare is their only income. As most of them would be below the exemption amount to pay any taxes.

 

[krideynyc]

I was right. Welfare income is non-taxable. So if welfare is the only income, then they don't even need to file. If they have a another source of income, but still qualify for welfare, then it would on the bottom end of the income scale, with little to no taxes paid.

 

[Megamagneto09]

Technically sex workers doesn’t necessarily have to be sex traffic in order to be held for hostage. Many massage sex workers hold huge amount debt they owe the coyotes who funneled them out of Asia with promises of a better life.

 

[markkennedy]

Technically sex workers doesn’t necessarily have to be sex traffic in order to be held for hostage. Many massage sex workers hold huge amount debt they owe the coyotes who funneled them out of Asia with promises of a better life.

This is indentured servitude, which in the US is illegal, but many of us don't believe it ought to be. We're all in theory indentured servants, we buy items and then have to work to pay for them, like our homes and our vehicles and our childrens' college tuition. Anything is anything that the DA or US Attorney or policeman says it is, it is up to the court, hopefully a non-corrupt or ideologue one, to tell them to fuck off and stop wasting taxpayer money.

If a Chinese woman wants to come to US, and pays a coyote 50k to get from her home to an AMP, and is told that she will earn the 50k plus a 50k vig plus 50k to send home plus a 50k vig on that, and when she is done she can do whatever she wants, I'm not sure that it is really the business of the US government or any of its subsidiaries to get involved in this. Is it indentured servitude? Sure. But there is a HUGE difference, as you say, between being kidnapped from your home and shipped around the world to fuck for money as a slave, and choosing this package to improve your lot in life or that of your family or children. Is not for me to judge how they live. The place I was born in makes China look like Disneyland.

As others pointed out, there are visa issues, and also citizenship ones too. In the scenario I listed above, if the lady comes here through a coyote, and has to work off the 200k, and does it, what can she do now? She still can't get a legal job, or own property, and probably can't go home either except through the same circuitous route like through Kuwait or UAE then Iran or Pakistan then back home. As someone mentioned, is best to not get your head too into all of this, just lay back and let them worry about it. While you give them the pearl necklace and stack of Jacksons they dream of.

 

[krideynyc]

Technically sex workers doesn’t necessarily have to be sex traffic in order to be held for hostage. Many massage sex workers hold huge amount debt they owe the coyotes who funneled them out of Asia with promises of a better life.

US laws consider that to be Trafficking as well. There no difference if the provider winds up in a fast house or an AMP.

Fun fact: The success of the Chinese Restaurant explosion in the US from the mid-70's to the 80's was through trafficked labor. After paying off the Snakeheads (Asian Coyotes), most of them went on to open their own Chinese Restaurants. Still goes on today, but at a lower scale.

 

[Enkidu_10]

This is indentured servitude, which in the US is illegal, but many of us don't believe it ought to be. We're all in theory indentured servants, we buy items and then have to work to pay for them, like our homes and our vehicles and our childrens' college tuition.

Indentured servitude is illegal in theory but it exists in practice.

As others pointed out, there are visa issues, and also citizenship ones too. In the scenario I listed above, if the lady comes here through a coyote, and has to work off the 200k

200k? It costs way way way less than that. There would be no construction or agg workers if it cost that much lol

 

[Ankle_Socks]

In that case, change Spa Owner to Licensed Contractor, and it still applies. His construction crew don't need licenses. Just someone to make sure OSHA rules are met for work place safety.

The Au Pair industry is quite interesting. Part cultural exchange. Part Student Visa. Part work experience. Also rumored to be quite the talent pool for Indies for our hobby.

Don't know what the welfare tax income is. Should look it up. But can't be much, if welfare is their only income. As most of them would be below the exemption amount to pay any taxes.

As long as the contractor is licensed and insured, DOB does not care about the workers, unless an accident happens.