“illegal” activity taking place on street corners in Corona

[markkennedy]

Gotta facilitate getting these folks into the workforce.

da, we lobbied this administration on day 1 along with other manufacturing interests and professional societies, to bring us foreign workers to replace the cityfolk who are unemployable. They delivered, but only delivered part 1, not part 2, and without part 2, part 1 is the worst thing ever for the people who were enticed here and for the places they end up in, and ultimately for the people who DO work and pay taxes (fewer than 100m taxpayers as of 15 April 2023) to support homeless people who were not within the borders of this country as of the last census.

You know like when you talk to an employee about "sweeping up", there are two parts to this task, "sweeping", and "up". You may find an employee will sweep, because it is super lazy work, can sandbag it and really is no wrong way to do it, and ostensibly no one will die if it IS done wrong. But the "up" part, they may find it easier to sweep and then not do the up part, leaving behind mounds of debris for others to trip on and respread for others to clean later. Again. Without part 2, part 1 is worse than doing nothing.

For bringing in foreign migrant laborers to replace unemployable cityfolk, part 1 is getting them here. Easy way is to just say "if you get here, we won't stop you", so then THEY do all the work, all the walking, the borrowing, the indentured servitude, the sex slavery, the buttsecks, whatever it takes to get here. No work whatsoever. But part 2, the part that we in the employing class are pissed off about is, that there is no functionality for us to employ them without breaking the law ourselves. So these people were lured here, then dumped, with no legal way to earn a living. What is the purpose to this?

Can anyone pretend to be surprised some end up walking the street and selling themselves? This is one career where they can easily get employed, have no taxes or legal paperwork to deal with, and they take no more risk than their fellow employees do. If I hire them in my plant, I risk prison or a massive fine, and these people are a second class person compared to the other employees, because I have to pay them in some secret way and have to hide them whenever OSHA or DEP or Labor or Homeland Security enter the premises. Of course they will choose hookery. And this is 100% against the thing we asked for in the first place! We wanted employees we could hire and pay and who would do the work that cityfolk can't stay sober enough to do for more than a day or two.

Best part will be, the people who voted for the administration that embraced the open borders concept, and are administering it, these people will discover that the employing class is bringing the foreigners here to replace them and render them obsolete. Is like stabbing yourself in the back, but from the front!

 

[heynow]

Exactly. We shouldn’t open a floodgates but we need a more robust worker visa program. I manage a team full of lazy Americans and know I can get an H1b who will have twice the output for 25% less pay.

First of all, the vast majority of the migrants coming from South America, Africa, Haiti and other countries who are crossing by land through the Darien Gap have very little education so they most likely wouldn't be eligible for H1b visas. In addition, even if they had education, the vast majority of them don't speak English so even if they were lawyers, engineers, architects or whatever, they still wouldn't be able to work. While I agree with you that there should be a "more robust worker visa program," these people ain't it and the floodgates are open but we don't need them. Secondly, it sounds like you would like to replace American workers with foreign workers who are willing to work more cheaply. Our people fought hard in the past to improve conditions for workers here, which raised the standard of living for us all, and I would rather not have that eroded. Yeah, there are probably some foreign workers who have the same skills as me and would work more cheaply, but what right do they have to come and take my job? The only winners in that situation are the bosses, not the workers. We should only be bringing in workers who can help the economy without hurting American workers.

 

[buckyBK]

close this thread. its not going to a good place.

 

[B00M]

Holy shit. I just walked through Corona coming back from an afternoon romp with a ficha ballerina bar girl I’ve banged a few times and just passed an absolute stunning solid 9.5 on 95th st just south of Roosevelt. Solid 5’6” thin platinum blonde young Chinese girl with giant D’s. I usually don’t bother giving the talent in that hood a second glance but she literally stopped me in my tracks. Said her name was cici, I have no idea why she’s working on the Roosie strip and not with an agency. If I’d had any endurance left in me I would have slummed in her dirty ole fast house…. Damn middle aged reload time.

Have you got her #?

 

[TIskier]

Have you got her #?

Nah, I just chatted a Monte with her… which I would never do but the incongruity of her working the street with her looks befuddled me enough to stop.

 

[TIskier]

First of all, the vast majority of the migrants coming from South America, Africa, Haiti and other countries who are crossing by land through the Darien Gap have very little education so they most likely wouldn't be eligible for H1b visas. In addition, even if they had education, the vast majority of them don't speak English so even if they were lawyers, engineers, architects or whatever, they still wouldn't be able to work. While I agree with you that there should be a "more robust worker visa program," these people ain't it and the floodgates are open but we don't need them. Secondly, it sounds like you would like to replace American workers with foreign workers who are willing to work more cheaply. Our people fought hard in the past to improve conditions for workers here, which raised the standard of living for us all, and I would rather not have that eroded. Yeah, there are probably some foreign workers who have the same skills as me and would work more cheaply, but what right do they have to come and take my job? The only winners in that situation are the bosses, not the workers. We should only be bringing in workers who can help the economy without hurting American workers.

First wave immigrants aren’t displacing any long standing Americans in the workforce. They’re taking jobs that the hard working American’s feel are beneath them and remain unfilled creating an economy without a large enough force. That’s what’s happening now in the economy. It makes zero sense not to fast track these people into our workforce that currently needs unskilled as well as skilled labor. The only thing holding it back is fear mongering and xenophobia. The skilled workers will come a few years down the line when the children of these immigrants get secondary education and become those highly skilled workers.

I grew up in Canada, where the reproduction rates have been low for generations and the gaps in the labor force were always filled by encouraging immigration. Unlike here, Canadians understood the necessity and benefit of immigration thus have basically an open system. If they don’t restock the workforce, they don’t get to retire early and live in a sustainable economy. Not sure if your noticed but if you go anywhere in the world, you’ll see Mormons converting people, Chinese businessmen businessing & Canadians on vacation.

Unless you want to work the fields, hawk haircuts on Roosy or do construction than no new immigrant is displacing you from your job. Their child may compete with your child for a high wage job 20 yrs from now but if you’re like most Americans you’re not having kids anyway.

 

[evox]

First wave immigrants aren’t displacing any long standing Americans in the workforce. They’re taking jobs that the hard working American’s feel are beneath them and remain unfilled creating an economy without a large enough force. That’s what’s happening now in the economy. It makes zero sense not to fast track these people into our workforce that currently needs unskilled as well as skilled labor. The only thing holding it back is fear mongering and xenophobia. The skilled workers will come a few years down the line when the children of these immigrants get secondary education and become those highly skilled workers.

I grew up in Canada, where the reproduction rates have been low for generations and the gaps in the labor force were always filled by encouraging immigration. Unlike here, Canadians understood the necessity and benefit of immigration thus have basically an open system. If they don’t restock the workforce, they don’t get to retire early and live in a sustainable economy. Not sure if your noticed but if you go anywhere in the world, you’ll see Mormons converting people, Chinese businessmen businessing & Canadians on vacation.

Unless you want to work the fields, hawk haircuts on Roosy or do construction than no new immigrant is displacing you from your job. Their child may compete with your child for a high wage job 20 yrs from now but if you’re like most Americans you’re not having kids anyway.

in high skilled jobs some Americans aren’t even willing to leave the amenities of dense urban centers. Talk to any rural hospital administrator who is trying to recruit an Attending Physician to consult in a town that has one bowling alley and a theater that is only open on Friday and Saturday.

 

[TIskier]

in high skilled jobs some Americans aren’t even willing to leave the amenities of dense urban centers. Talk to any rural hospital administrator who is trying to recruit an Attending Physician to consult in a town that has one bowling alley and a theater that is only open on Friday and Saturday.

Oh I know. The rural hospital situation is absolutely bleak. They’ve basically become temporary bandaid stations with mercenary rent a docs who work on temporary contracts. Rural patients are SOL if they need a specialist or cohesive chronic care.

 

[heynow]

First wave immigrants aren’t displacing any long standing Americans in the workforce. They’re taking jobs that the hard working American’s feel are beneath them and remain unfilled creating an economy without a large enough force. That’s what’s happening now in the economy. It makes zero sense not to fast track these people into our workforce that currently needs unskilled as well as skilled labor. The only thing holding it back is fear mongering and xenophobia. The skilled workers will come a few years down the line when the children of these immigrants get secondary education and become those highly skilled workers.

I grew up in Canada, where the reproduction rates have been low for generations and the gaps in the labor force were always filled by encouraging immigration. Unlike here, Canadians understood the necessity and benefit of immigration thus have basically an open system. If they don’t restock the workforce, they don’t get to retire early and live in a sustainable economy. Not sure if your noticed but if you go anywhere in the world, you’ll see Mormons converting people, Chinese businessmen businessing & Canadians on vacation.

Unless you want to work the fields, hawk haircuts on Roosy or do construction than no new immigrant is displacing you from your job. Their child may compete with your child for a high wage job 20 yrs from now but if you’re like most Americans you’re not having kids anyway.

You just sorta proved my point. I was under the impression that Canada has some pretty stringent requirements for people to immigrate there. They have to prove that they have a skill that is necessary or cannot be filled by a Canadian. In other words, Canada picks and chooses who comes in and this is what I would advocate for the US. Canada does not have hundreds of thousands of mostly unskilled, uneducated and needy people streaming over their border every single month, people who cannot survive there without support from the government.

Also, the person whose post I responded to explicitly said the people he manages are "lazy Americans," and he implied he'd rather have H1b visa workers replace them and work for less. Immigration is a plus for this country but not if it comes at the expense of American workers and not when it is completely unregulated.

 

[evox]

You just sorta proved my point. I was under the impression that Canada has some pretty stringent requirements for people to immigrate there. They have to prove that they have a skill that is necessary or cannot be filled by a Canadian. In other words, Canada picks and chooses who comes in and this is what I would advocate for the US. Canada does not have hundreds of thousands of mostly unskilled, uneducated and needy people streaming over their border every single month, people who cannot survive there without support from the government.

Also, the person whose post I responded to explicitly said the people he manages are "lazy Americans," and he implied he'd rather have H1b visa workers replace them and work for less. Immigration is a plus for this country but not if it comes at the expense of American workers and not when it is completely unregulated.

The free market always sorts itself out.

 

[TIskier]

You were under the wrong impression. For years Canada

You just sorta proved my point. I was under the impression that Canada has some pretty stringent requirements for people to immigrate there. They have to prove that they have a skill that is necessary or cannot be filled by a Canadian. In other words, Canada picks and chooses who comes in and this is what I would advocate for the US. Canada does not have hundreds of thousands of mostly unskilled, uneducated and needy people streaming over their border every single month, people who cannot survive there without support from the government.

Also, the person whose post I responded to explicitly said the people he manages are "lazy Americans," and he implied he'd rather have H1b visa workers replace them and work for less. Immigration is a plus for this country but not if it comes at the expense of American workers and not when it is completely unregulated.

has basically had open immigration. They “grade” preferences based on skills but they are extremely liberal in process because they have been desperate to maintain a workforce skilled and unskilled.
https://mdccanada.ca/news/immigration/unskilled-labour-work-in-canada

 

[TIskier]

One undeniable truth in today’s America is if you’re a US Citizen and you’re not working it’s because you don’t want to to work NOT because Manuel from Guatemala is undercutting you…

 

[Ankle_Socks]

Actually the root cause is simple math and basic economics of scarcity. We have a growing global population (the rate of growth has slowed but it’s still growing) and finite resources.

The incentive for mass migration is political. There’s a subtle difference.

We could debate this elsewhere, the population growth has nothing to do with the current mass migration

 

[Ankle_Socks]

First of all, the vast majority of the migrants coming from South America, Africa, Haiti and other countries who are crossing by land through the Darien Gap have very little education so they most likely wouldn't be eligible for H1b visas. In addition, even if they had education, the vast majority of them don't speak English so even if they were lawyers, engineers, architects or whatever, they still wouldn't be able to work. While I agree with you that there should be a "more robust worker visa program," these people ain't it and the floodgates are open but we don't need them. Secondly, it sounds like you would like to replace American workers with foreign workers who are willing to work more cheaply. Our people fought hard in the past to improve conditions for workers here, which raised the standard of living for us all, and I would rather not have that eroded. Yeah, there are probably some foreign workers who have the same skills as me and would work more cheaply, but what right do they have to come and take my job? The only winners in that situation are the bosses, not the workers. We should only be bringing in workers who can help the economy without hurting American workers.

Hmmm so being a lawyer or a doctor , but not speaking the language that mist americans themselves speak poorly, negates their ability to work?
Typical ignorance

 

[Ankle_Socks]

Hmmm so being a lawyer or a doctor , but not speaking the language that mist americans themselves speak poorly, negates their ability to work?
Typical ignorance

Most*

 

[markkennedy]

Secondly, it sounds like you would like to replace American workers with foreign workers who are willing to work more cheaply. Our people fought hard in the past to improve conditions for workers here, which raised the standard of living for us all, and I would rather not have that eroded. Yeah, there are probably some foreign workers who have the same skills as me and would work more cheaply, but what right do they have to come and take my job? The only winners in that situation are the bosses, not the workers. We should only be bringing in workers who can help the economy without hurting American workers.

Not sure for everyone, but for me, is no the cheaply, is the "come to work all 5 days of the week and also come to work on time and stay the entire 8 hours", "come to work not high", "come to work and like ya know, give a shit once in a while", "the answer to everything is yes", "get those fucking earbuds out of your ears", and so on that is the basic job requirements and which disregard of is the trademark of cityfolk employees.

We have jobs posted on indeed that pay well (like in some cases 2x) over the local average wage, some of which have been vacant now for most of a year. We bring them in for interview, and they demand to be commander on the first day and get a hundred sick days and only work when they want to work and they can't do this or that and so on until I ask them what part of the indeed posting precisely is the part they are here inquiring about.

If I DO get desperate enough to hire, they don't last a week. First time they are informed we don't allow cell phones welded to your hand while you're working, they scream like you touched their no no spots and demand to speak to the manager. I'm the owner, and I tell them there is no chance this policy will ever change, they are welcome to punch out whenever they like to watch movies during the day. They refuse to follow safety procedures, labelling or documentation procedures, SOP, pretty much anything related to a rule, never gonna happen. All the guys who aren't cityfolk are getting old now and they will retire eventually, basically the day they go, I'll be selling the building and riding off to a very very young retirement.

Is not just the money, we just want people who will come to work and give a fsck and not kill anybody and get some work done. In my town at least, this is absolutely too much to ask. When we demand our representatives in government to bring us laborers, this is what we want them for. The foreigners we hire are now all tenured employees making top dollar and all the benefits and some are supervisors today. Lots of them either began not speaking english at all or it was obviously a very second language. Even the cityfolk see this example and make fun of them for "workin for the man" or "being a company man". So yea, a foreigner 100% can and should take the job of and replace a person who has no interest in performing the job function. Is open competition, men who like to feed their families, all welcome.

I worked hard for 30 years to have the capital needed to finance buying this plant and filling it with millions of dollars of equipment and materials, I will never lay down for someone who is inferior and doesn't have the work ethic to match mine. I would prefer (and of course have) to leave a job open for a year than hire some piece of shit who thinks the universe owes him something because he has two eyes and a mouth and walks on two legs.

And last, if someone "tookarjaab" like in that South Park episode, is because the employer needed them more than they needed you. If it IS because of price, that's your problem, not the employer's. If it's because you demand 1 of 5 days of the year as sick days or paid vacation, well, again, your problem, not employer's. As an employer, I select the employee who will accomplish the task I need done the way I need it done for the price I am willing to pay, period. All other things are completely irrelevant as I am running a company and no a charity. Towns that import people from cities under any of the other irrelevant criterion but ignore "employability", they are committing suicide, as my town has done for thirty years now.

So back to the topic, if a city does not provide enough streetwalkers of the native variety, well, then like all other professions, the city will have to get the streetwalkers elsewhere. American girls who would be a hooker usually end up pretending to be porn stars on Onlyfans, despite having 20 subscribers, or even worse, pretending to be "influencers" on one of the other sites, again, with 20 subscribers. Why is it that every town in my county has between 1 and 5 AMPs but I don't know of any American RT shops? Yea. Same reason I have to hire Ecuadorians instead of Philadelphians.

 

[Ankle_Socks]

When on the last 40 years are so wanat the backbone of the workforce immigrant labour?
Some.folks sit.on their nice union jobs and only see those around them,( unions here in NY were notorious for their white only policies for years, then token hirings that had divide and conquer vibe about them) Many base their assumptions on only what they can see at the bridge of their nose.

We wont even go back to 100 years or more when the railroads were built with Chinese and Irish labour .......
History has a funny way of repeating itself

 

[Bigtime645]

[/QUOTE]

First wave immigrants aren’t displacing any long standing Americans in the workforce. They’re taking jobs that the hard working American’s feel are beneath them and remain unfilled creating an economy without a large enough force. That’s what’s happening now in the economy. It makes zero sense not to fast track these people into our workforce that currently needs unskilled as well as skilled labor. The only thing holding it back is fear mongering and xenophobia. The skilled workers will come a few years down the line when the children of these immigrants get secondary education and become those highly skilled workers.

I grew up in Canada, where the reproduction rates have been low for generations and the gaps in the labor force were always filled by encouraging immigration. Unlike here, Canadians understood the necessity and benefit of immigration thus have basically an open system. If they don’t restock the workforce, they don’t get to retire early and live in a sustainable economy. Not sure if your noticed but if you go anywhere in the world, you’ll see Mormons converting people, Chinese businessmen businessing & Canadians on vacation.

Unless you want to work the fields, hawk haircuts on Roosy or do construction than no new immigrant is displacing you from your job. Their child may compete with your child for a high wage job 20 yrs from now but if you’re like most Americans you’re not having kids anyway.

the last part about Americans not having kids contributed to the need for migrants.

 

[Bigtime645]

First wave immigrants aren’t displacing any long standing Americans in the workforce. They’re taking jobs that the hard working American’s feel are beneath them and remain unfilled creating an economy without a large enough force. That’s what’s happening now in the economy. It makes zero sense not to fast track these people into our workforce that currently needs unskilled as well as skilled labor. The only thing holding it back is fear mongering and xenophobia. The skilled workers will come a few years down the line when the children of these immigrants get secondary education and become those highly skilled workers.

I grew up in Canada, where the reproduction rates have been low for generations and the gaps in the labor force were always filled by encouraging immigration. Unlike here, Canadians understood the necessity and benefit of immigration thus have basically an open system. If they don’t restock the workforce, they don’t get to retire early and live in a sustainable economy. Not sure if your noticed but if you go anywhere in the world, you’ll see Mormons converting people, Chinese businessmen businessing & Canadians on vacation.

Unless you want to work the fields, hawk haircuts on Roosy or do construction than no new immigrant is displacing you from your job. Their child may compete with your child for a high wage job 20 yrs from now but if you’re like most Americans you’re not having kids anyway.

The important point you made here is when You said that "both skilled and unskilled labor are needed", and "They're taking jobs that hard working Americans feel are beneath them and remain unfilled". The reasons Americans refuse to do these jobs is not simply because they feel it's beneath them, but mostly because they don't pay enough. If they were paying a million dollars a year to sweep floors, Americans wouldn't care whether the task is beneath them or not..they would do it. In the US they tend to pay people based on how important a job is to society or the employer. So lawyers and doctors by default are supposed to get paid more than a cashier at a business, or billion dollar business. If menial jobs, low skilled jobs were to be paid enough for people to live comfortably on, most Americans wouldn't have a problem doing them and hence wouldn't need to rely on migrants to do them.

 

[evox]

Also, the person whose post I responded to explicitly said the people he manages are "lazy Americans," and he implied he'd rather have H1b visa workers replace them and work for less. Immigration is a plus for this country but not if it comes at the expense of American workers and not when it is completely unregulated.

Not saying it should be unregulated as we obviously need to have a formal vetting program and visa process, but we should always have a labor force that is hungry and eager to make it in this country. English isn't my first language yet with some free online content I learned and I scored higher in the 97th percentile of the SAT Verbal Section. My starting salary when I first entered the workforce would have placed me below the poverty line if I was the sole breadwinner of a family of four but I have moved up and tripled my salary since then in my organization. Anything is possible because America is the greatest country in the world for those who come here with ambition and grit.

No one is being hired at someone else's expense. Employment is a mutual agreement between employer and employee. If there is someone out there who can perform better than you and willing to work for your salary and guns for your job, then absolutely you should be let go. All organizations should operate at peak efficiency and when that happens, it's not the "bosses" that win. It's the customer, the patients, everyday people that "win" from better services and more competitively priced goods.