Pls help me to understand...

[ohgood]

Actually it is about the cost. It's very much about the cost. Because who says what the cost is?

The ad or the girl, they say what the cost is. The issue is guys who pay above that and risk driving up the standard price cause they're the same saps that will pay above that as well and repeat this cycle. I'm not sure what you're missing here. No one is complaining about the price the girls ask for, only the guys that repeatedly go over it.

As far as "the guys constantly feeling wronged" bit I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I can count on one hand the number of times service was subpar, maybe 2 times I felt "wronged" in many many encounters over the years. The ugly/poor hygiene/whatever tax you're mentioning to justify overpaying wasn't even a factor in my mind.

When a mechanic tells me it's going to be a $400 fix I don't tend to to give him an extra $50 because I like the way he moves his hands while doing his job. If he feels he has better skills or offers more than the next mechanic he'll adjust his rate to reflect that, not hope the customer notices and appreciates it enough to give him extra. And if you're a mechanic working on cars charging $90 an hour for labor but enough people keep insisting on giving you $125 an hour aren't you at some point going to get the idea that you've been undercharging and should just charge the $125? Market drives the price.

 

[markkennedy]

The ad or the girl, they say what the cost is. The issue is guys who pay above that and risk driving up the standard price cause they're the same saps that will pay above that as well and repeat this cycle. I'm not sure what you're missing here. No one is complaining about the price the girls ask for, only the guys that repeatedly go over it.

As far as "the guys constantly feeling wronged" bit I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I can count on one hand the number of times service was subpar, maybe 2 times I felt "wronged" in many many encounters over the years. The ugly/poor hygiene/whatever tax you're mentioning to justify overpaying wasn't even a factor in my mind.

When a mechanic tells me it's going to be a $400 fix I don't tend to to give him an extra $50 because I like the way he moves his hands while doing his job. If he feels he has better skills or offers more than the next mechanic he'll adjust his rate to reflect that, not hope the customer notices and appreciates it enough to give him extra. And if you're a mechanic working on cars charging $90 an hour for labor but enough people keep insisting on giving you $125 an hour aren't you at some point going to get the idea that you've been undercharging and should just charge the $125? Market drives the price.

Market DOES drive the price, but if you tip 90 for the same service I tip 60, is there a market aggregator or maker that posts this change? Your 90 tip in Dallas isn't going to make the local news here in my local Amp near this hotel in Florida.

As well, do we want every place to have a different HF or tip expectation because the girl or mamasan or owner think they are great?

I dont think the percentage of tippers who go over the market in their bid affects the overall ask in the general market. Would be like me putting in a bid for HBI shares today 10@56$, ok of course there will be an instant match for me, but will anyone else change their bid or ask on my puny overbid?

 

[East Lake II]

Sometimes the tips vary by spa. The same provider might get more in one spa than another just because of the difference in the spas clientele. One provider I know works in 3 different spas. In one spa her tips are generally in the range of $300+, another spa she gets about $180 and in the 3rd spa she’s lucky to get $100. And, her level of service is fairly consistent between the 3 spas. Others I know also receive varying tip amounts but the spread isn’t that great. It might vary from $100 to $160. And, others I know are consistent across regardless of what spa they work in.

If one provider is getting $X in tips, the others working in the spa feel they need to pull in the same amount, thus the upward pressure in tips.

One more side note on tips: we all know they talk among themselves. You might be seeing provider A at spa B and giving her $120. But, you are also seeing provider C at spa D and giving her $140. You can bet provider A is going to hear about how much you are paying provider C. And, she’s not going to hear it from provider C cause she doesn’t know provider A. Provider A is going to hear about it from provider E since provider E used to work with provider A and now works with provider C. $20 doesn’t seem like a big difference but it is to them when it’s all about money and face.

Moral of the story; be consistent.

 

[freebeer2go]

it depend on the provider, I usually give the standard $.40, but I have also given $$ plenty of time because they went the extra mile for me, and even $$.50 recently because the girl let me bbfscip. I believe in good service should be richly rewarded to encourage it. It's still dirt cheap+convenient compared to what escorts charge these days, not to mention all the screening/deposit BS from escorts.

 

[Whizzard]

it depend on the provider, I usually give the standard $.40, but I have also given $$ plenty of time because they went the extra mile for me, and even $$.50 recently because the girl let me bbfscip. I believe in good service should be richly rewarded to encourage it. It's still dirt cheap+convenient compared to what escorts charge these days, not to mention all the screening/deposit BS from escorts.

Here’s the hole in your example. The extra you paid is additional service she was willing to do for extra money and very inline for what she provided. Now… If she did that for $140 that is “the extra mile” you speak of which didn’t actually exist.

 

[Abenormal2]

The ad or the girl, they say what the cost is. The issue is guys who pay above that and risk driving up the standard price cause they're the same saps that will pay above that as well and repeat this cycle. I'm not sure what you're missing here. No one is complaining about the price the girls ask for, only the guys that repeatedly go over it.

As far as "the guys constantly feeling wronged" bit I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I can count on one hand the number of times service was subpar, maybe 2 times I felt "wronged" in many many encounters over the years. The ugly/poor hygiene/whatever tax you're mentioning to justify overpaying wasn't even a factor in my mind.

When a mechanic tells me it's going to be a $400 fix I don't tend to to give him an extra $50 because I like the way he moves his hands while doing his job. If he feels he has better skills or offers more than the next mechanic he'll adjust his rate to reflect that, not hope the customer notices and appreciates it enough to give him extra. And if you're a mechanic working on cars charging $90 an hour for labor but enough people keep insisting on giving you $125 an hour aren't you at some point going to get the idea that you've been undercharging and should just charge the $125? Market drives the price.

Mark my words... when u have an appointment and Pay exactly what is the minimum agreed on price and someone calls in at the same time, take a wild guess which appointment gets honored.
Some people are more generous than others. You disproved your own statement by then saying that you always get what u pay for and never feel wronged. If so. What's the beef chief. Men have been forever flattering women. With compliments, gifts, money. You do you and keep rolling w the great service u get and that's perfectly cool.

Nobody is ruining anything for anyone. You walk in .. you get a lovely massage. You tip the girl what she requests. Or you say no I'll take my pony to the next saloon.

Happy hunting my friend

 

[ohgood]

Here’s the hole in your example. The extra you paid is additional service she was willing to do for extra money and very inline for what she provided. Now… If she did that for $140 that is “the extra mile” you speak of which didn’t actually exist.

This. We're talking deed is done, time to tip - you're just paying extra for the standard service. Unless the tip is to entice future meetups nothing is gained. If it's for future then yes the girl might remember that this one overpays.

Mark my words... when u have an appointment and Pay exactly what is the minimum agreed on price and someone calls in at the same time, take a wild guess which appointment gets honored.
Some people are more generous than others. You disproved your own statement by then saying that you always get what u pay for and never feel wronged. If so. What's the beef chief. Men have been forever flattering women. With compliments, gifts, money. You do you and keep rolling w the great service u get and that's perfectly cool.

Nobody is ruining anything for anyone. You walk in .. you get a lovely massage. You tip the girl what she requests. Or you say no I'll take my pony to the next saloon.

Happy hunting my friend

I've never even been to a place that knew who it was on the phone to give priority to one client over another. Not one single time have I called and been asked who I was. Are the hefty tippers calling in and telling whatever girl answers the phone who they are in hopes of preferential treatment?

My beef is the real possibility of suddenly being hit up for more money for the same service because they've decided the extras they've been getting are a sign to charge that much. I've watched the pure escort side jump up a uniform $50 across the board in the recent past. It was like they held a meeting and decided a $50 increase was the right number and all applied it at the same time lol. While that may have more to do with inflation it's an example of how simply that price can go up, and spread.

I 100% agree with "you tip the girl what she requests". I'm not advocating haggling on that. Just don't pay more than that is my whole point. Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the best we can hope for and civility in the discussion is always appreciated. Happy hunting to you as well.

 

[Wonderer65]

The biggest issue I see is the tipping went from a semi standard to an extra 40-60 I’m fine at 20-40 extra but at that point show you deserve it. It’s like pay then I’ll show you my worth if I feel like it.

 

[freebeer2go]

The biggest issue I see is the tipping went from a semi standard to an extra 40-60 I’m fine at 20-40 extra but at that point show you deserve it. It’s like pay then I’ll show you my worth if I feel like it.

I use tipping as an encouragement for behavior I want to see. If I'm asked to pre-pay before service start, then no extra tip no matter what. But I will often tip well if I didn't pre-pay. Also if the girl rush me (eg. are you having trouble finishing? you need to finish soon, do it yourself), I will not tip extra, I will reward girls that don't watch the clock. Also the girls that always remind you they want more money more tip, I won't tip them extra just because they want me to.

Once I met an amp girl that was so nice and sincere, I forgot to even pay her, it was almost like visiting a fwb. I left the spa and then remembered I forgot to pay her, went back in, apologized and paid her plus some extra, she smiled and said "you don't have to", but I insisted and she accepted the money. This is the type of girl I will tip extra for.

 

[Happy Jack]

I use tipping as an encouragement for behavior I want to see. If I'm asked to pre-pay before service start, then no extra tip no matter what. But I will often tip well if I didn't pre-pay. Also if the girl rush me (eg. are you having trouble finishing? you need to finish soon, do it yourself), I will not tip extra, I will reward girls that don't watch the clock. Also the girls that always remind you they want more money more tip, I won't tip them extra just because they want me to.

Once I met an amp girl that was so nice and sincere, I forgot to even pay her, it was almost like visiting a fwb. I left the spa and then remembered I forgot to pay her, went back in, apologized and paid her plus some extra, she smiled and said "you don't have to", but I insisted and she accepted the money. This is the type of girl I will tip extra for.

If it's a busy spa, you can't blame a girl for watching the clock. If your appointment is for an hour, you should be done with enough time for you to both shower and be out the door before her next appointment. The better managers will try to give the girl 10 to 15 minutes between appointment. That rarely ever seems to happen though. I'm 100% on board with you about tips requested in advance. If the girl ask for the tip upfront, she blew her opportunity for a larger than normal tip, unless she went way above the call of duty and provided extra service I wasn't expecting.

 

[Johnnylovesmassages]

If it's a busy spa, you can't blame a girl for watching the clock. If your appointment is for an hour, you should be done with enough time for you to both shower and be out the door before her next appointment. The better managers will try to give the girl 10 to 15 minutes between appointment. That rarely ever seems to happen though. I'm 100% on board with you about tips requested in advance. If the girl ask for the tip upfront, she blew her opportunity for a larger than normal tip, unless she went way above the call of duty and provided extra service I wasn't expecting.

yeah nothing worse than having a provider rush into the room you are waiting in for her knowing she just left another monger and did not have a chance to clean up, wash her hands, etc. I am not a FS guy so I don't care if they shower, but I would like them to have a few minutes to wash up, freshen up, and maybe take a break before having to be "on" again. That is why early mornings or a non busy day (ie a work day, not a holiday or weekend) are the times I usually try to go (even if it means taking a long "lunch").

 

[Happy Jack]

yeah nothing worse than having a provider rush into the room you are waiting in for her knowing she just left another monger and did not have a chance to clean up, wash her hands, etc. I am not a FS guy so I don't care if they shower, but I would like them to have a few minutes to wash up, freshen up, and maybe take a break before having to be "on" again. That is why early mornings or a non busy day (ie a work day, not a holiday or weekend) are the times I usually try to go (even if it means taking a long "lunch").

Full service or not, it's nice to know the girls freshly washed.

I remember one time finishing up with a girl. My mouth was all over her body. She put her dress on before we went down the hall to the shower room. All she did was lift her dress up and wash her privates. Not the rest of her body.

My saliva was all over her tits and my seed on her stomach. Never saw her again after that, and also make it a point now to always get the girl undressed in the shower at the start of the session, or make sure it's the first appointment of the day.

Even first appointment is no guarantee. A lot places the girls will see customers before advertised opening hours.

 

[Landcruiser2023]

I've never even been to a place that knew who it was on the phone to give priority to one client over another. Not one single time have I called and been asked who I was. Are the hefty tippers calling in and telling whatever girl answers the phone who they are in hopes of preferential treatment?

They do. Based on your phone numbers, the providers know who you are from the past unless you change phone numbers each time, they even keep a remark of you, whether a big tipper or not, or some other specialties you typically ask for. Know your customer, it applies to every field.

 

[freebeer2go]

If it's a busy spa, you can't blame a girl for watching the clock. If your appointment is for an hour, you should be done with enough time for you to both shower and be out the door before her next appointment. The better managers will try to give the girl 10 to 15 minutes between appointment. That rarely ever seems to happen though. I'm 100% on board with you about tips requested in advance. If the girl ask for the tip upfront, she blew her opportunity for a larger than normal tip, unless she went way above the call of duty and provided extra service I wasn't expecting.

Sure, I personally watch the clock too to make sure I don't go over. I'm talking about the girls that will rush you with 30 minutes left on the clock.

 

[Happy Jack]

Sure, I personally watch the clock too to make sure I don't go over. I'm talking about the girls that will rush you with 30 minutes left on the clock.

Yeah, when that bullshit happens, you have to go straight to the review section, name the girl and name the spa.

 

[ohgood]

They do. Based on your phone numbers, the providers know who you are from the past unless you change phone numbers each time, they even keep a remark of you, whether a big tipper or not, or some other specialties you typically ask for. Know your customer, it applies to every field.

If that's the case than my pretty standard tipping is good enough for them cause I've never had an issue.

 

[BobStevens67]

I don't really go to full-service places and tip $200 where $140 is normal, but I do go to a couple of legit therapeutic massage places and hj only ones, where I do tip over the expected amounts. It often (but not always) opens the door to a higher level of service than reviews would lead you to believe are available at the place. Here are some of the benefits I often get once they get to know me. I know some regulars at some places get these for normal tips, but probably not as often and consistently as higher tippers do.
-a much more sensual massage and happy endings at the therapeutic places
-emails from the girls letting me know when the manager won't be in and we can do more than they usually can
-offers for outcall massage and extras at my place or theirs
-they let me know if they move to another massage place
-I almost never try a walk-in and get turned away. If I walk-in and someone has called and made an appointment for 5 minutes later, they get told "sorry, we have to reschedule" when they show up instead of me being told "sorry, we're busy." If they're all busy when I get there and I have to wait a bit, they make sure it was worth the wait
These ladies are like any other people that work for tips. If you tip more, and they know it, they are going to work to make sure you ask for them, not someone else.