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bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
Messages: 568
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#81
So, I found maybe an unbanning bug. I was looking at 5 login handles I could recall - "bonerhope, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, and thomasbird". They are all now unbanned, I can signin on them, except "thomasbird" , my oldest which is still banned. However, as soon as I tried to login on one of the non-banned, it was banned. I had to clear cookies in history, I think.

So, this may be a reason some guys are seeing banned despite logging into a now unbanned handle. If they haven't cleared their browser cookies since when they were banned months ago, they will still be banned.

In other words, if cookies remember being banned, you will get banned message.
 

hhnyc77

Moderator
Messages: 1,183
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#82
So, I found maybe an unbanning bug. I was looking at 5 login handles I could recall - "bonerhope, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, and thomasbird". They are all now unbanned, I can signin on them, except "thomasbird" , my oldest which is still banned. However, as soon as I tried to login on one of the non-banned, it was banned. I had to clear cookies in history, I think.

So, this may be a reason some guys are seeing banned despite logging into a now unbanned handle. If they haven't cleared their browser cookies since when they were banned months ago, they will still be banned.

In other words, if cookies remember being banned, you will get banned message.
I’ll address some of your previous points another time but for this specific comment, that’s a possibility (clearing cookies). But also, I, along with Jimmy and the other mods, have been unbanning/reinstating almost all banned accounts unprompted.
And it’s still in progress. Because we have to manually sift through every page of every section, undeleting reviews, unbanning members, retroactively approving reviews that should have been approved in the first place, etc. And that’s just the reviews section…we have to do the same with the discussions section. Multiple that by every geographical area on the entire board, we have our work cut out for us.

If you find that a previously banned handle is suddenly unbanned, that’s likely why. Also, if you suddenly have review account balance added to your credits, that’s also why. Since we’re in some cases approving reviews retroactively (provided it met the requirements), it also means that we’re awarding review credit balance retroactively as well. That’s only fair.
 

bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
Messages: 568
Reviews: 18
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#84
I’ll address some of your previous points another time but for this specific comment, that’s a possibility (clearing cookies). But also, I, along with Jimmy and the other mods, have been unbanning/reinstating almost all banned accounts unprompted.
And it’s still in progress. Because we have to manually sift through every page of every section, undeleting reviews, unbanning members, retroactively approving reviews that should have been approved in the first place, etc. And that’s just the rev
I’ll address some of your previous points another time but for this specific comment, that’s a possibility (clearing cookies). But also, I, along with Jimmy and the other mods, have been unbanning/reinstating almost all banned accounts unprompted.
And it’s still in progress. Because we have to manually sift through every page of every section, undeleting reviews, unbanning members, retroactively approving reviews that should have been approved in the first place, etc. And that’s just the reviews section…we have to do the same with the discussions section. Multiple that by every geographical area on the entire board, we have our work cut out for us.

If you find that a previously banned handle is suddenly unbanned, that’s likely why. Also, if you suddenly have review account balance added to your credits, that’s also why. Since we’re in some cases approving reviews retroactively (provided it met the requirements), it also means that we’re awarding review credit balance retroactively as well. That’s only fair.
iews section…we have to do the same with the discussions section. Multiple that by every geographical area on the entire board, we have our work cut out for us.

If you find that a previously banned handle is suddenly unbanned, that’s likely why. Also, if you suddenly have review account balance added to your credits, that’s also why. Since we’re in some cases approving reviews retroactively (provided it met the requirements), it also means that we’re awarding review credit balance retroactively as well. That’s only fair.
I appreciate the very considerable work (sounds like many weeks). It seems it might avoid some user confusion, or the need for the user to clear cookies if you could turn off banned response if it sees it set in the cookies.


The problem is how does the user know to clear cookies?
You could change the banned message to "if you see this please clear cookies in your browser". This is easier with less debug than changing the code.
 

hhnyc77

Moderator
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#85
Yes! Sadist, he is. He was a psychopath with severe inferiority complex relative to SF South Bay users which are a unique sub group of mongers.

Being Philadelphia East coast he hated California liberal, progessive mongers. Silicon Valley nerds who made more in a few months than he in a year who could afford $280 every week.

He seemed to believe that punishment was the most effective deterrent, that someone banned was like a head on a stake to warn off others when it hid the crime that was causing the banning. However, unlike the head on a stake that everyone could see, the offender would just disappear and the offensive thread would dissapear. He seemed to think that everyone would somehow know why everyone was banned, even when the banned member would have to guess.

For me the big mystery was why the other mods couldn't contact top jimmy. This BS had been going on for over a year, but did accelerate suddenly in the last month or so when rampage completely lost it and shut down SF and South Bay. I don't know why the SF and Southbay forum had to be completly destroyed for months before top jimmy was aware. We all thought he was dead or fled the country or maybe in jail for last few years.

I went through about a dozen handles. Rampage spent a lot effort on figuring out how to keep previously banned guys from signing up with new emails, with VPN since the IP address would get banned, and email providers would limit number of new email handles.

Ampreviews big virtue which I had discussed previously but don't know is still here was it provides real time comments and dialoge since it moderates after publishing. Critically it commonly will prompt accurate comments, especially negative comments from mongers who won't write reviews. These give it traction against TER.

Basic marketing: Traditionally once a review site is entrenched it's difficult for any new competitor to gain market share unless they offer something not available by dominate review site.
To address some of your previous comments, I'll separate fact from fiction (that I'm aware of), and also give my personal opinion on the matter as a fellow mod of my previous colleague.

While he knew the Philadelphia market well, he isn't on the East Coast, nor does he hate liberal progressives. The opposite, in fact, which was a bit surprising to me.

I agree that he seemed to believe that punishment was the most effective deterrent...at least towards the latter part of his tenure. Sure, he was still tough in the beginning, and made examples by putting heads on a stake for all to see, but it got progressively worse and worse.

I, and the other mods, didn't notice all the stuff going on until senior members and veterans contacted us via PM to let us know the extent. A big part of the reason why that was is because of the sheer volume and numbers of reviews and comments post that come in on a daily, or even minute-by-minute basis. We would log on, approve 80 reviews, and after that was done, there would be another 50 review waiting to be approved in the queue. Because how this site operates, every single review gets manually read by one member of the mod staff, and we decide whether to approve or reject, based on the requirements that TJ laid out at the creation of the site. Then we also have to deal with the many reports that members reported for infractions and bad behavior. That's on top of dealing with massive spam bot attacks on a weekly basis, where we would have to spend hours and hours manually ridding the site of all the thousands of spam accounts that were created.

Not trying to offer an excuse...it's just that by the time we finished doing what we do, most posts were pushed to the second, third page or even further back, and we often didn't see the bans, deletions, and other stuff that had happened while we were logged in. Also, no one really audited each other's work...we all trusted that we each pull our own weight, and moderate via our own personal styles, with a level of consistent standards.

We also did our best to convey a united front...we made it a point to not argue with each other publicly, and resolve disagreements via PM. It was generally understood that we also didn't overrule each other's decisions unless it was previously discussed or brought up. Trust me when I say that I had many members who were unfairly banned, reinstated by advocating for them when I was told by other members.

You're also partly right in that we didn't want to directly confront him in a combative way...not because we were afraid to be banned ourselves (which was unlikely but also a possibility), but if he had banned one of the fellow mods, we would be powerless to undo or backchannel fix at least some of the damage incurred. So for me personally, I quietly tried to clean up the damage in the background. But what I discovered lately was the full extent of that damage...mass bannings and deletions of not just the SF board but other areas as well.

What I know as fact is that he did NOT have full agreement of the staff that the SF section should basically be shut down. He did not have the support of the staff when he chose to mass ban members for no reason, without any warning. He did not have staff agreement to do anything and everything he did...he unilaterally made those decisions and implemented them on his own. He did vaguely keep us in the loop, but didn't go into detail. In hindsight, we should have looked much more into it, and that's on me and the fellow staff.

It's also true that what he said about being threatened by members is fact. We received many PMs with various threats...that we were going to be tracked down, that we are being reported to the authorities and that we are being investigated, that we should watch our backs with the threat of physical harm and/or be doxxed, etc. etc. He believed many of the accounts behind those threats came from the SF section and its members, and that further prompted him to go off the handle. It's my belief that he took it very personally, and came to detest the members...not just the few bad apples but the general membership. I think he went on his rampage and took that out on ALL the members...obviously unfairly and disrespectfully.
 

hhnyc77

Moderator
Messages: 1,183
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#86
As for TJ, he was handling some MAJOR life stuff at home...if you look at some of his recent posts, you'll get a better understanding of him not being able to be present much. For me personally, and I would assume most guys (though there likely are guys who spend all day on the site), the site is a very tiny part of their daily life...as fun as the hobby is, there are far more important things in life like our professional careers, families and friends, and other real-world stuff.

Some other things that I can clarify...the mods are all volunteers...we are not compensated in any way. We do not favor spas/agencies/providers in any way. In fact, we do NOT allow any sort of advertising or promotion. While we do allow providers to create accounts and post (as long as it's not a promotion), we are a site for members and members only. We do not receive kickbacks from providers (trust me, we've been offered many times in the past), we do not get discounts from providers (also offered, but we do our best to NOT let providers/establishments know that we are even mods). We are all veteran hobbyists ourselves with years and years of experience. If we recommend something, it is only in our capacity as a fellow hobbyist, and NOT as a mod. As bad as the damage to the site has been, and as funny as it may sound on a site of this nature, the ethics of my fellow mods was never in question, and that continues to be the case. We're not privy to the details of the site but I would imagine that paid memberships barely covers the fees of running and operating the site...I don't know and I don't care.

Lastly, the site is for entertainment only. We are a fictional, fantasy site...we want our members to come on the site, discuss whatever they want to discuss, in a fun, entertaining, and safe but respectful environment. We welcome all members, regardless of their beliefs, stature, location, background, etc. We want our members to be able to discuss things that they ordinarily don't have an outlet for, in their real lives. We aren't about accuracy of reviews, descriptions, graphic details, or whatever else...those are just bonus information. We encourage friendships, camaraderie, liberal use of our excellent PM system (which doesn't have any restrictions), and information sharing. I said earlier that we don't favor anyone...but the reality is that we do tend to look more favorable at our senior members who have contributed valuable information and are generous with their time and willingness to help. That is the vast majority of our members.

I don't think any site out there has the sheer volume of content and coverage that's available on our site, along with the discussions, PM system, and knowledge of our members...all for free (just as long as you write an approved review). Of course, many members have accounts on other site, as do I. But the combination of the aforementioned benefits is unmatched, in my opinion. Don't let the events of the past few months dictate all the great things about the site. And you all have our assurance that something like that won't happen again. We won't let a mistake or two by members to be banned immediately...we all make them, including the staff, but what's important is that we learn from it, don't do it again, and we all move forward. Which is what we're doing...there's still a lot of work to be done, but we'll get there. The site is undergoing very positive technical changes as we speak, and improvements to the backend of things. We're also repairing all the damage that has been done...unbanning and reinstatement of many members, undeleting reviews and discussions, among other things.

We are here to support, guide, educate members...don't be afraid to reach out to any of us. We are not the police or enforcers, or any of that stuff (though we do have to maintain the board)...we're here to help. We also expect our members to behave like gentlemen, and treat each other (and the staff) with respect and decorum. Again, the vast majority of our members adhere to that, and the ones that are not, will be weeded out. Any other questions or comments are always welcomed. Good day.
 

vpkamala

Review Contributor
Messages: 386
Reviews: 7
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#87
hhnyc77 and topjimmy,
I am back to give it one more try. But you guys should find a way to eliminate questions like...whats the phone number, whats the website, whats the damage etc. That was 80% of the traffic back then and a complete waste of space and time. The newbies need to spend a minute figuring this out on their own using google etc. and 99% of the time they will find it after a minute. If it is hard to find, use PM, don't post a comment.
 

bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
Messages: 568
Reviews: 18
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#88
To address ...

...obviously unfairly and disrespectfully.
Thanks for your long detailed response which shows a lot of good faith effort and significant commitment to understanding and correcting.

We can go on doing this forever, so I'm ok if you don't try to explain why this happened. I'm deeply involved since I've found that this forum is very helpful to my understanding of emotional behavior which I was never good at. Also, I don't have anything better to do that's this engaging. As to why it's another topic...

I'm trying to apologize for any of my behavior that made the situation worse and defending, explaining my response.

I appologize if I was wrong about some negative rash characterizations of rampage. However, he was way worse in his rash characterization and banning of mongers. This caused significant anger at the people in control, more than at batshit crazy rampage.

Widespread anger against an organization is dangerous to the organization. When several individuals share the same anger, it often empowers them to take action. Numerous threats are symptomatic of something seriously wrong. It starts out as complaining, but if complaining doesn't work, it moves to threats, then action. Keep in mind that if the action is viable, then the threat is more effective.

Personal threats are fairly meaningless, just like most of rampages threats. They are symbolic, their value is in their shock value. Personal threats at anybody, if not obviously metaphors, I think are good grounds for banning if the threat is illegal.

However, threats against taking the organization down are different. If an organization take down threat is viable, the monger making the threat is least of your worries. Often the invisible threats are worse from LE, anti-prostition political, IRS, invisible mongers, etc. And the monger making the visible threat, usually only wants to present it as a way to pressure ampreviews into solving the rampage problem. Since you guys self destructed, no point in continuing to threaten the organization.

It seems that for mongers who highly value their anonymity, the last thing they would want is to annouce they are trying to take down ampreviews. For every declared monger threat, there might be 5 to 10 mongers who don't want to annouce they are trying to destroy ampreviews.

I also appologize for threats that caused distress. I think it's good you complained about them. I would be upset about them also. I'm not surprised you got a lot of threats. It reflects the magnitude of hurt feelings and number of guys feeling violated from getting banned which masculine mongers inherently don't want to admit their emotional vulnerabiliy or weakness. Rather, getting wounded causes attacking threats.
Conversely, the same blocked hurt feelings guys won't understand they are automatically attacking, often disproportionally in response to getting hurt. Also, anger blocks feeling hurt from attacks in oneself and reverses bad feelings in others to feel good over their misfortune. Actually, if you are angry at someone, you often initially feel good if they get hurt, and only then after the anger subsides empathetically feel bad them.

A lot of us,.I suspect feel good about rampage getting axed, he might feel like shit. But, as a warning, you need to gard against rampage trashing ampreviews for revenge. Hopefully, you changed locks and logins, etc.

To get back in as a new member because of rampage's efforts, required new email, new ip address (vpn), and first clearing cookies on your browser. Even the email confirmation link, you had to be careful that the email browser cookies didn't have previously banned info. Even now, the browser still requires clearing cookies after seeing a banned response on another login.

The other difficulty was email providers limited the number of new unrelated emails.

Rampage seemed to have software skills to implement all the permanent banning, making me wonder that he got his moderator position from helping to design ampreviews.

Even after you got a new login, you had wasted all your review credits, and other mongers you've been pming needed to be told your new identity. Also you would lose your PM messaging history which was a big complaint of a fellow monger.

Why do we care, why don't we go elsewhere?

Well some did go to TER (The Erotic Review), but a lot were already on TER.

Unbeknownst to themselves, ampreviews designers created a monster that would fight to stay alive. Certainly rampage seemed jealously trying to protect it. Jealousy like anger destroys relationships.

From our perspective, ampreviews public real time comments and active dialog produced a very strong shared emotional hook arising from sex and money, both evokers of very strong emotions for active members from the only community forum for mongers who, myself included, spend $10,000 a year on sex and spend hours of effort trying not to waste so much money because pics are usually 10 years old and first reviews are shill. The comments and dialog are more credible than reviews. The sometimes intensity of emotions make it difficult to make it "light" and not so serious, and I would love for it to be that way, but...

It seemed that dialog and review contributors, myself included, would re-signup many times after getting banned, despite being pissed about getting banned. There was no other viable review site in SF area that had real time public comments and dialog. We were addicted.

This public real time comment and dialog hook is why ampreviews, with a shoe string development, in 4 years gained maybe 20% market share against established TER, despite TER having way better reviews, search, and organizing all reviews under the same provider.

Because of ampreviews severe anonymity, it looked like ampreviews didn't want to get bigger, like they were trying to stay under the radar of the feds, LE? The small provider sites, don't seem to get legally hassled. Rather, it was bigger CityVibe getting ad fees for different providers that got shut down.

And it's not the member's fault that ampreviews looks pretty sketchy. I'm sure the site anonymity was to protect the privacy of TJ, moderators and anyone else who worked on it, just like mongers want anonymity, but it makes the site look like it has something to hide legally. At least the money going in is back to their old Las Vegas credit card processer. Previously before rampage got outed, the credit card processor had been moved to Switzerland which also looks sketchy for a US review site. Was this rampages doing?

Finally, I suspect there is a lot of resentment. I praise your efforts, but don't expect any praise from most others. A lot of guys will give you shit about why you guys were so slow to recognize the problem, rather than giving you cudos. I also think moderators should be paid, at least enough to pay for there hobby. There was some money coming in, probably not much, but enough. And, I would think there are ways to reduce moderation work, like using an AI tool or active members to flag. There is another whole thing moderation, but Silicon Valley learned long ago that software guys have poor understanding of how to mitigate bad human behavior. Note Musk also trashing the value of twitter over loosening moderation rules.
 

bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
Messages: 568
Reviews: 18
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#89
hhnyc77 and topjimmy,
I am back to give it one more try. But you guys should find a way to eliminate questions like...whats the phone number, whats the website, whats the damage etc. That was 80% of the traffic back then and a complete waste of space and time. The newbies need to spend a minute figuring this out on their own using google etc. and 99% of the time they will find it after a minute. If it is hard to find, use PM, don't post a comment.
Good observation.

Well, they could "mother hen" the reviewer. When the reviewer trys to post, they "cluck" have you included cost, phone number, site url etc.? I would think this is not that much code, or if it effects the structure. Eventually, you could put fields in review form and replace the reminder text with code that looks for the fields.

I'm always posting, then immediately realizing what I forgot, for me it's usually the site url. I then comment afterword what I forgot. Part of this is the inability to make corrections because 2minutes is too short.
 

bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
Messages: 568
Reviews: 18
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#91
I appreciate my account being magically un-banned. However, the damage is already done. A lot of folks (including myself) have found a much more welcoming environment on a site that doesn't cost any money. Out of respect to TJ, I won't mention the site's name. But I won't be using this site in the future. But I genuinely wish the best for TJ and the users here who chose to remain.
Is the site out of Hong Kong? Even with Google translate it's a struggle. Does the free site have real time comments and dialog for SF South Bay?
 

topjimmy

Administrator
Messages: 495
Joined
#94
We are currently trying to duplicate that so it can be properly addressed.

2 workarounds. One is that I can disable edit. Then no chance of anything disappearing. Second one is you copy the private remarks to your clipboard before editing so you have it. Seems like everyone knows that's a problem so shouldn't be too hard to remember to copy the content before editing to ensure it's not lost.

Nonetheless, it'll be fixed at some point sooner rather than later
 

sexyloser

K-Girl Geek
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Reviews: 3
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#96
Is the site out of Hong Kong? Even with Google translate it's a struggle. Does the free site have real time comments and dialog for SF South Bay?
If you've been googling that on your own they have an English forum. The google results generally should take you to the English section not the Chinese section but yes if you went out of your way to edit the URL and enter the domain directly its all Chinese.
 

Scooby66

Registered Member
Messages: 38
Reviews: 2
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#97
That's great news, thanks. Any discussion of the risks of BBFS, and STD's, was a bannable offense it seemed. I think few topics could be more relevant in this realm of conversation. Can those be discussed now? Mich appreciated.
 

Ogmongerr

Registered Member
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#98
Hi, I was able to see the reviews before because I had posted my own reviews. Now I can't see them anymore? Do I need to post more reviews? How does that work? Are there new rules now? Thanks
 

Rutts Hutt

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That's great news, thanks. Any discussion of the risks of BBFS, and STD's, was a bannable offense it seemed. I think few topics could be more relevant in this realm of conversation. Can those be discussed now? Mich appreciated.
In a prevoius thread Topjimmy replied to my inquiry in regards to discussing bbfs. He stated that a person wouldn't be banned for the mere mention of bbfs but advised that specific providers should not identified because subject can be controversial.
 

Rutts Hutt

Registered Member
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In a prevoius thread Topjimmy replied to my inquiry in regards to discussing bbfs. He stated that a person wouldn't be banned for the mere mention of bbfs but advised that specific providers should not identified because subject can be controversial.
While I'm on the topic I recently saw a gal who has several reviews on this board. It was my first time with her and she is one of the prettier providers ive seen in a while.I received bbbj and switched to cfs. I always have issues with condoms and when I started going soft she took the off cover, bbbjed me back to full mast and slid me back in her pussy. At first I thought she had put another condom on but quickly realized I was in bareback. It felt great and I was quite surprised. I hadn't done this with a provider in years. I just went with it. I then got in missionary and came inside her almost immediately from the sensation. She was surprised i did this, stating that the other mongers pull-out. Obviously I'm not the first and only one she did this with. I informed her of my vasectomy and she rinsed herself in the shower and told me to come back soon. I will not post this info in a review or reveal the providers identity as per topjimmys directions. I wanted to make the point that bbfs occurs in our hobby for those who want to indulge.
 
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