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I need to vent about women
- Thread starter Curiousgeorge87
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I think both sexes have gotten a lot less attractive over my lifetime. If I had to guess, the 60s/70s were the decades where people were at the height of attractiveness. It's been going slowly downhill since then. Slowly at first, but now rapidly. I first really started noticing more unattractive people in the mid 90s or so. And the trend has accelerated since then. I look at some young couples today and literally want to gag.
My perspective is probably skewed by the fact that I prefer suburban, rural areas. I do think that the more attractive women gravitate toward the big cities. But its not just that. Its not at all uncommon for women in their 20s to be overweight and downright fat in their 30s. Its much worse for Western women than it is for Asians, but any Asian in the USA is not immune. It also seems to me that a lot of men have either gotten physically smaller or more obese. I think a lot of them must suffer from very low Testosterone. In a way, I don't blame women for avoiding these guys.
While I can't prove it, I don't think this is an accident. I think the Elites want men/women to be at each others throats and each sex to go their own way. This kind of social engineering is probably geared to "saving the Planet" or some misguided shit like that. But, unfortunately, whatever they are doing seems to be working. Apparently its not at all abnormal for a 20 something guy to go a year or more without getting laid. That's gotta suck. The only saving grace is that I am getting laid a lot, but the state of society is still depressing to me.
My perspective is probably skewed by the fact that I prefer suburban, rural areas. I do think that the more attractive women gravitate toward the big cities. But its not just that. Its not at all uncommon for women in their 20s to be overweight and downright fat in their 30s. Its much worse for Western women than it is for Asians, but any Asian in the USA is not immune. It also seems to me that a lot of men have either gotten physically smaller or more obese. I think a lot of them must suffer from very low Testosterone. In a way, I don't blame women for avoiding these guys.
While I can't prove it, I don't think this is an accident. I think the Elites want men/women to be at each others throats and each sex to go their own way. This kind of social engineering is probably geared to "saving the Planet" or some misguided shit like that. But, unfortunately, whatever they are doing seems to be working. Apparently its not at all abnormal for a 20 something guy to go a year or more without getting laid. That's gotta suck. The only saving grace is that I am getting laid a lot, but the state of society is still depressing to me.
Well, I am seeing what I am seeing. And I am obviously not the only one. IMHO, anyone who tells me that people are just as attractive now as in 1974 is either dishonest or has his head in the sand. Again, I don't think this is an accident.
I do think that some conspiracies are real and that we ignore them at our own peril.
I do think that some conspiracies are real and that we ignore them at our own peril.
Dude, you sound like an Incel. Plenty of hot girls out there of all ages. You seem like you’re looking for perfection, you’re never going to get that. Dudes that have game have no problem getting laid. When I was a young man, I’d get laid or blown almost nightly. If I was a young man now, with all the apps, and girls are more willing to fuck a dude they just meet, it’s easier for this generation to get laid, even if your game is mediocre. I’m an Uber driver, if I wasn’t married and afraid of getting caught, I’d be fucking a different woman every week form that job alone, and I don’t mean drunk girls, I’d never partake in that. I’ve had countless women of all ages in my car, carry on a nice pleasant conversation, and many asked for my number, even after I told them I have a wife. Now could I get a smoking hot 20 year old that looks like she’s in Playboy, no, but if I was a 20 year old now, I would have all the confidence I would. And if I struck out, I’d always get another at bat with someone else.
One of the greatest pieces of advice was passed down to me by my uncle. I have since passed it down to every young man willing to listen.
"You can usually tell by how a guy talks about women, whether or not he actually spends that much time actually talking to women."
From what I've seen most of the guys who talk about women the way the OP (and the people who agree with him) do are doing horribly when it comes to attracting, dating and even approaching women.
So why should anyone believe anything they say about women?
It's not like their "advice" has done them a drop of good! Lol
"You can usually tell by how a guy talks about women, whether or not he actually spends that much time actually talking to women."
From what I've seen most of the guys who talk about women the way the OP (and the people who agree with him) do are doing horribly when it comes to attracting, dating and even approaching women.
So why should anyone believe anything they say about women?
It's not like their "advice" has done them a drop of good! Lol
What advice was the OP giving? I didn't see any.
He was discussing his opinion about a phenomenon he observed. I don't agree with his extreme percentages, but there is definitely merit to his general observation. And, if you look, the Internet is full of people all over the spectrum with similar observations about the state of dating. And they have empirical data to back it up. Beyond that, anyone with a pair of working eyes and a brain can tell that things have changed in the last 25 years.
Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless | Psychology Today
And, really, the only one spouting advice is you (and your "uncle"). If you are so successful with civvie women, then why are you frequenting AMPs?
He was discussing his opinion about a phenomenon he observed. I don't agree with his extreme percentages, but there is definitely merit to his general observation. And, if you look, the Internet is full of people all over the spectrum with similar observations about the state of dating. And they have empirical data to back it up. Beyond that, anyone with a pair of working eyes and a brain can tell that things have changed in the last 25 years.
Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless | Psychology Today
And, really, the only one spouting advice is you (and your "uncle"). If you are so successful with civvie women, then why are you frequenting AMPs?
Well said- his post was extreme; but there is definitely some validity to it.
Although I tend to agree that there is no point in stewing about it or develope some type of anti woman hatred. Just Accept it and move on. Can’t change society. Really the best thing you can do is improve yourself; but never do it for women. If a woman happens to come along to compliment your life; great- but otherwise; just do your thing. Chasing after women in any form doesn’t work and is downright sad. Too many men are doing that now. It devalues men.
Although I tend to agree that there is no point in stewing about it or develope some type of anti woman hatred. Just Accept it and move on. Can’t change society. Really the best thing you can do is improve yourself; but never do it for women. If a woman happens to come along to compliment your life; great- but otherwise; just do your thing. Chasing after women in any form doesn’t work and is downright sad. Too many men are doing that now. It devalues men.
If I'm dating civvies, why do I hobby? If you like steak, why do you also eat ice cream?
Because I like both and both are available to me.
That's why we call it hobbying! Because a hobby is something you do on the side for fun. It isn't your only source of happiness or companionship.
Seriously, if the major reason why you go by is because it's your only way of being with women then something else is wrong with your life!
In fact given how easy it is to become addicted to hobbying, I make it a point to keep dating and take long breaks from hobbying just to make sure it stays a hobby and not a crutch.
Imo a healthy hobbiest only hobbies so long as he doesn't need to and still wants to.
But the second this hobby becomes too much of a need, it's time to stop and look at the rest of your life.
Because I like both and both are available to me.
That's why we call it hobbying! Because a hobby is something you do on the side for fun. It isn't your only source of happiness or companionship.
Seriously, if the major reason why you go by is because it's your only way of being with women then something else is wrong with your life!
In fact given how easy it is to become addicted to hobbying, I make it a point to keep dating and take long breaks from hobbying just to make sure it stays a hobby and not a crutch.
Imo a healthy hobbiest only hobbies so long as he doesn't need to and still wants to.
But the second this hobby becomes too much of a need, it's time to stop and look at the rest of your life.
And how many guys do you know who believe these things and have also just accepted it and moved on? Lol
How many guys do you know who believe these things and are thriving when it comes to women?
I'm telling you when you believe these things it shows in your actions especially how you come off to women!
Guys who believe these things can't actually hide it and come off as creepy to women.
Their loneliness and bad experiences may have lead them to believe these things, but these beliefs are a big part of what will keep them alone.
That's the harsh truth man.
It's a vicious cycle.
How many guys do you know who believe these things and are thriving when it comes to women?
I'm telling you when you believe these things it shows in your actions especially how you come off to women!
Guys who believe these things can't actually hide it and come off as creepy to women.
Their loneliness and bad experiences may have lead them to believe these things, but these beliefs are a big part of what will keep them alone.
That's the harsh truth man.
It's a vicious cycle.
[QUOTE="VJLUTZ, post: 123367] Beyond that, anyone with a pair of working eyes and a brain can tell that things have changed in the last 25 years.
Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless | Psychology Today
And, really, the only one spouting advice is you (and your "uncle"). If you are so successful with civvie women, then why are you frequenting AMPs?[/QUOTE]
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I'm curious, did you read the entire article you posted? BTW, thanks for posting, it's a great article.
Anyone with a working brain could see that things have changed for a reason and certainly no one gender is to blame.
From the article a huge factor:
“Faced with the choice between an energy-intensive, highly competitive dating environment and the low-effort rewards of porn, young men appear to be taking the path of least resistance.”
Too many Young men have self pittying, laziness and resentment towards sexuality feeling entitled to have partners that are much more dynamic (and attractive) than themselves so they revert to fantasy.
I couldn’t agree more with Redrain’s uncle. Being around those with dripping resentment is a drag.
Some tips to make you less “less attractive”:
If you look like Steve Buscemi (without Steve Buscemi talent & money) you're gonna get Steve Buscemi looking woman. Don't brag about making “six figures” because “six figures” is the new 40 Grand. Wearing your Van Husen shirts or God forbid your Iggles Jersey on a date isn't dressing well. Stop with the wallowing about women not liking you or your Daddy not paying attention to you or society being too hard on your race, religion or politics.
Negativity is the most unattractive quality around. Who wants to be around a sad sack for more than 10 minutes? It quickly gets old.
Why do I hobby? I like getting my back walked on by a woman & the SA adventures cause less destruction than repeated affairs. I’ve never had problems getting into civvie relationships, I’ve always had problems seemlessly getting out of civvie relationships. I’m relentlessly fickle and am constantly attracted to new women. It’s the easiest solution to a “me problem”.
Why So Many Young Males Are Single and Sexless | Psychology Today
And, really, the only one spouting advice is you (and your "uncle"). If you are so successful with civvie women, then why are you frequenting AMPs?[/QUOTE]
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I'm curious, did you read the entire article you posted? BTW, thanks for posting, it's a great article.
Anyone with a working brain could see that things have changed for a reason and certainly no one gender is to blame.
From the article a huge factor:
“Faced with the choice between an energy-intensive, highly competitive dating environment and the low-effort rewards of porn, young men appear to be taking the path of least resistance.”
Too many Young men have self pittying, laziness and resentment towards sexuality feeling entitled to have partners that are much more dynamic (and attractive) than themselves so they revert to fantasy.
I couldn’t agree more with Redrain’s uncle. Being around those with dripping resentment is a drag.
Some tips to make you less “less attractive”:
If you look like Steve Buscemi (without Steve Buscemi talent & money) you're gonna get Steve Buscemi looking woman. Don't brag about making “six figures” because “six figures” is the new 40 Grand. Wearing your Van Husen shirts or God forbid your Iggles Jersey on a date isn't dressing well. Stop with the wallowing about women not liking you or your Daddy not paying attention to you or society being too hard on your race, religion or politics.
Negativity is the most unattractive quality around. Who wants to be around a sad sack for more than 10 minutes? It quickly gets old.
Why do I hobby? I like getting my back walked on by a woman & the SA adventures cause less destruction than repeated affairs. I’ve never had problems getting into civvie relationships, I’ve always had problems seemlessly getting out of civvie relationships. I’m relentlessly fickle and am constantly attracted to new women. It’s the easiest solution to a “me problem”.
____________________________
I'm curious, did you read the entire article you posted? BTW, thanks for posting, it's a great article.
Anyone with a working brain could see that things have changed for a reason and certainly no one gender is to blame.
From the article a huge factor:
“Faced with the choice between an energy-intensive, highly competitive dating environment and the low-effort rewards of porn, young men appear to be taking the path of least resistance.”
Too many Young men have self pittying, laziness and resentment towards sexuality feeling entitled to have partners that are much more dynamic (and attractive) than themselves so they revert to fantasy.
I couldn’t agree more with Redrain’s uncle. Being around those with dripping resentment is a drag.
Some tips to make you less “less attractive”:
If you look like Steve Buscemi (without Steve Buscemi talent & money) you're gonna get Steve Buscemi looking woman. Don't brag about making “six figures” because “six figures” is the new 40 Grand. Wearing your Van Husen shirts or God forbid your Iggles Jersey on a date isn't dressing well. Stop with the wallowing about women not liking you or your Daddy not paying attention to you or society being too hard on your race, religion or politics.
Negativity is the most unattractive quality around. Who wants to be around a sad sack for more than 10 minutes? It quickly gets old.
Why do I hobby? I like getting my back walked on by a woman & the SA adventures cause less destruction than repeated affairs. I’ve never had problems getting into civvie relationships, I’ve always had problems seemlessly getting out of civvie relationships. I’m relentlessly fickle and am constantly attracted to new women. It’s the easiest solution to a “me problem”.[/QUOTE]
Of course he didn't read the entire article!
He only read up to the part that made him feel self righteous about his views and ignored the rest.
These guys aren't actually looking for the reason why they keep being rejected and/or are too afraid to approach women!
Best case scenario, they are looking for excuses not to put in the effort to make their lives better or to develop the confidence to approach women.
Worst case scenario, they are incredibly lonely and would rather feel aggrieved and angry than depressed.
The want to feel better than they do, but can't or won't do the work to feel better.
It has always been way easier to be miserable and blame something else for your misery than to do the hard work to be less miserable. You know where you are with misery and anger, while effort takes hope with no guaranteed return.
Mental health is also a huge factor.
I have a lot of sympathy for these guys, but I hate how they try to "recruit" other guys just so they can feel like they are right, even through on some level they know that the way they view women hasn't made their lives a drop better and in many ways is the thing most responsible for women rejecting them.
It is a vicious and sad cycle that they are spreading and it is hurting the men who get trapped in it.
I'm curious, did you read the entire article you posted? BTW, thanks for posting, it's a great article.
Anyone with a working brain could see that things have changed for a reason and certainly no one gender is to blame.
From the article a huge factor:
“Faced with the choice between an energy-intensive, highly competitive dating environment and the low-effort rewards of porn, young men appear to be taking the path of least resistance.”
Too many Young men have self pittying, laziness and resentment towards sexuality feeling entitled to have partners that are much more dynamic (and attractive) than themselves so they revert to fantasy.
I couldn’t agree more with Redrain’s uncle. Being around those with dripping resentment is a drag.
Some tips to make you less “less attractive”:
If you look like Steve Buscemi (without Steve Buscemi talent & money) you're gonna get Steve Buscemi looking woman. Don't brag about making “six figures” because “six figures” is the new 40 Grand. Wearing your Van Husen shirts or God forbid your Iggles Jersey on a date isn't dressing well. Stop with the wallowing about women not liking you or your Daddy not paying attention to you or society being too hard on your race, religion or politics.
Negativity is the most unattractive quality around. Who wants to be around a sad sack for more than 10 minutes? It quickly gets old.
Why do I hobby? I like getting my back walked on by a woman & the SA adventures cause less destruction than repeated affairs. I’ve never had problems getting into civvie relationships, I’ve always had problems seemlessly getting out of civvie relationships. I’m relentlessly fickle and am constantly attracted to new women. It’s the easiest solution to a “me problem”.[/QUOTE]
Of course he didn't read the entire article!
He only read up to the part that made him feel self righteous about his views and ignored the rest.
These guys aren't actually looking for the reason why they keep being rejected and/or are too afraid to approach women!
Best case scenario, they are looking for excuses not to put in the effort to make their lives better or to develop the confidence to approach women.
Worst case scenario, they are incredibly lonely and would rather feel aggrieved and angry than depressed.
The want to feel better than they do, but can't or won't do the work to feel better.
It has always been way easier to be miserable and blame something else for your misery than to do the hard work to be less miserable. You know where you are with misery and anger, while effort takes hope with no guaranteed return.
Mental health is also a huge factor.
I have a lot of sympathy for these guys, but I hate how they try to "recruit" other guys just so they can feel like they are right, even through on some level they know that the way they view women hasn't made their lives a drop better and in many ways is the thing most responsible for women rejecting them.
It is a vicious and sad cycle that they are spreading and it is hurting the men who get trapped in it.
The problem I see that OP had is he has high standards, thinks he should only be with 9-10’s when he’s most likely half that. Unless you got deep pockets, or have celebrity looks, this ain’t happening. What’s wrong if a woman has a little bit of weight on her, your dick ain’t going to know the difference when her mouth is on it. The best blow job I ever got was from a fat chick, and she was easily over 300 pound. My cock didn’t discriminate, not only did she swallow, she didn’t stop until she got a second load out of my. It was a 1 hour total blow job, I invested nothing in this extremely short relationship. I met her at a bus stop, asked if she needed a ride home, gets in, she says we can’t go inside, her roommate might get mad, let’s hang out, 15 minutes later we’re making out, and she pulls my cock out, and when to town.
I think young men now don’t even know how to talk to a woman, they have porn on their phone, they want instant gratification, yet don’t have the skills to get this, nor willing to either learn the skills or settle for less than perfect.
I think young men now don’t even know how to talk to a woman, they have porn on their phone, they want instant gratification, yet don’t have the skills to get this, nor willing to either learn the skills or settle for less than perfect.
