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How to break the ice at a "legit" place?

markkennedy

BFE to your GFE
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Am traveling now so can't go into deep detail right now, but I can give you some warnings about your venture.

If she's not Asian, and she is licensed, personally if nothing happened when she saw your hard dick and it's your third visit, I'd just go back for the massage only. Women who are licensed massage therapists go fucking berserk about the hobby and mongers like they are protecting fort Knox. I've seen discussions among these types like we are offending them to their core and even asking about it will result in police contact.

Have enjoyed the art of ymmv for more than three decades, can share tips on success in pm if you like.
 

sxpm

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This has been the main crux of the hobby for me for the last three years. I even have a Flushing Sensei who guides me. Some of my reviews cover this. For me, it’s 3x then move on. If in the first visit I don’t get a vibe I don’t invest. My signature move is not a big tip at the front end, I’ve lost a lot of money taking that advice. And, it’s not stroking myself off. Where’s the sport in that? It’s not the elbow in the cooch and it’s not the rubbing of the legs.

The signature move that works 8 out of 10 times, the move that has set me up with steady foxy young Chinese girlfriends at my local legit spas - and, mind you, the fellow who said there’s no such thing as a legit spa - oh, there certainly is. My go to place now is so legit I’m knuckle deep with my girl while I listen to the gal getting a facial next door chatting about her college student son. Definitely legit crossing over. And I’m not talking about a sneaky handjob but full on making love - yea, the signature move is seductive and trusting and gives them something no other guy gives them because every poor sod tries the same tricks over and over. The signature move…or, shoot, the phone’s ringing. Gotta go. But trust me. It works.
 

Apersonaperson

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This has been the main crux of the hobby for me for the last three years. I even have a Flushing Sensei who guides me. Some of my reviews cover this. For me, it’s 3x then move on. If in the first visit I don’t get a vibe I don’t invest. My signature move is not a big tip at the front end, I’ve lost a lot of money taking that advice. And, it’s not stroking myself off. Where’s the sport in that? It’s not the elbow in the cooch and it’s not the rubbing of the legs.

The signature move that works 8 out of 10 times, the move that has set me up with steady foxy young Chinese girlfriends at my local legit spas - and, mind you, the fellow who said there’s no such thing as a legit spa - oh, there certainly is. My go to place now is so legit I’m knuckle deep with my girl while I listen to the gal getting a facial next door chatting about her college student son. Definitely legit crossing over. And I’m not talking about a sneaky handjob but full on making love - yea, the signature move is seductive and trusting and gives them something no other guy gives them because every poor sod tries the same tricks over and over. The signature move…or, shoot, the phone’s ringing. Gotta go. But trust me. It works.
So what is the signature move lol
 

sxpm

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So what is the signature move lol
Thanks for asking! You’re the only one who has asked. It’s quite simple, really. The signature move takes place strategically, just when, at some point, they go through the litany of finger popping. Wait until they get to your middle finger, then — just as they are in the process of popping the middle finger, resist — hold back on that finger — don’t let them pop it! Trust me. They will laugh and then blow you.
 

sxpm

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My other signature move is to wait until about 10-minutes into the massage, then stop them and confess - Hey, I think today I’m just going to have a massage. I’ll still tip you very well, but you give a great massage, so I just want to relax and enjoy it.”

It messes with their equilibrium and they find themselves exploring what you may possibly have meant.
 

sxpm

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Update
Though I’m recently less inclined to kiss and tell than ever before, and don’t currently wish to out my ATF, I’m sharing this by way of giving back, by way of inspiring those on a similar path to myself. That path being / to find an experience with connection and sensuality without being part of the whorehouse as AMP game being played as normal. Granted, those chicks are hot, I’m simply not interested in spending money and time with someone who has seen everyone and their brother. The stories of 30-minutes of waiting behind curtains, no shower available, girl with no time to wash between sessions…the breakfast of champions. Not my jam. For now. Been there.

My focus is on building relationships, as much as that can be defined, with a so-called legitimate massage woman, then work to take that relationship to the next level of intimacy. Of course, the same risks exist, fool around, fall in love, while for her it’s all about the money and one day poof - she’s gone. but so be it.

One fine day I was required to return a package to an Amazon drop center in a remote area far away from, but not too far away from, my home. I figured while I was there, I’d get in a massage. The few places in the area available were clearly lower end, crummy joints, one boasting a sure thing FS experience. While that’s fine sometimes, that’s not my main focus. My main focus is a great massage with the possibility of something extra. If extra extra takes place, that’s great, but I don’t look for it.
The spot I picked had reviews saying it was a decent legit massage. Some locals say it’s excellent. Men and women. Some say it’s gone downhill since changing owners. Pretty much the same thing you see in the reviews of any lower end spot. I figured a HJ was available, which I like as part of the massage, but I tend not to finish. I just embrace the extra massage as a way of building tantric energy, then go get shit done; like Deniro with his wife in Raging Bull.
I entered to be greeted by the 70-year-old MMS who handed me off to a cute, but older lady. I couldn’t tell if she was 40 or 55, but not 60 and not 35.

The room was cramped with curtain, the lady, let’s call her Elsa, started arranging the sheets while I undressed and I handed her $60 for the hour before laying down. The bed is comfy and she begins a light, then firm massage. Throughout, the massage gets a bit more sensual, I massage her legs, but I also pull back so she can work. In the end, I flip and she offers a HJ. I accept, and it’s nice, but like I said, I don’t often finish. I tried to pull her in for a kiss, but she pulled back, no sank you. I slipped my hand up her blouse, permitted, but nonplused. She tried different techniques to finish me off, but all the same result. I invited her to lay next to me, she did, but more of the same. I jokingly suggest she kiss my stomach, which she did. No, down lower, which she did, no, down lower, then she figured it out and laughed and shook her head no. She laid next to me and I kissed her forehead, she looked up and kissed me nicely. Then, more passionately. Then, she pulled her stretch pants down just a little and rubbed me on her lower stomach. It was hot and I exploded. I tipped $60 and she didn’t look at it.

A few days later, I returned as another walk in and asked if Elsa was there. She was and was excited to see me. The same routine and the massage was nice. On the flip, she lay next to me and started to kiss me, then more passionately. Sucking on my bottom lip. Stroking me. I made my way down her pants and she guided me under her panties and inside with one finger, beginning to grind. I worked two fingers in and she began to grind feverishly until my hand cramped. She maneuvered on top of me, pulled her stretch pants down and slid me inside. Whoa whoa, I pulled out. No no. She sat up and went down on me in seconds. Too forceful and I said sloooow… and she adjusted into a perfect blow slide until I came in her mouth and she kept going.
The third time I called to make sure she was there and stopped for condoms on the way. The same routine but when we got to the maneuver, I paused to get the condoms, then she used me as a grinding tool to grind herself into orgasm. I can hear the guy next door getting a massage and chatting with his provider while I tried to muffle her moans. She then sat up, and went down on me until I finished. She then got up and started a great foot massage. Then leg massage. Then went down on me again. Then kissed me, then down on me, then foot massage, then down on me, then kissed me, then down on me, then rested, then down on me. It was incredible. I didn’t finish for those repeats but it felt awesome. The strange thing is, it really feels like she’s not supposed to be doing that, but she is. Forbidden fruit. Stopping and listening. Poking her head out the curtain to see where the mms is hanging out.

The fourth visit I was tired. I just wanted a massage. While everything else happened, I was too tired to really get into it. Going back today after two weeks. If she’s there.

The moral of the story is to keep hunting and keep following through with visits if you feel a connection. What a lonely life. Be a gentle man.
 

Bodyhopper

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Update
Though I’m recently less inclined to kiss and tell than ever before, and don’t currently wish to out my ATF, I’m sharing this by way of giving back, by way of inspiring those on a similar path to myself. That path being / to find an experience with connection and sensuality without being part of the whorehouse as AMP game being played as normal. Granted, those chicks are hot, I’m simply not interested in spending money and time with someone who has seen everyone and their brother. The stories of 30-minutes of waiting behind curtains, no shower available, girl with no time to wash between sessions…the breakfast of champions. Not my jam. For now. Been there.

My focus is on building relationships, as much as that can be defined, with a so-called legitimate massage woman, then work to take that relationship to the next level of intimacy. Of course, the same risks exist, fool around, fall in love, while for her it’s all about the money and one day poof - she’s gone. but so be it.

One fine day I was required to return a package to an Amazon drop center in a remote area far away from, but not too far away from, my home. I figured while I was there, I’d get in a massage. The few places in the area available were clearly lower end, crummy joints, one boasting a sure thing FS experience. While that’s fine sometimes, that’s not my main focus. My main focus is a great massage with the possibility of something extra. If extra extra takes place, that’s great, but I don’t look for it.
The spot I picked had reviews saying it was a decent legit massage. Some locals say it’s excellent. Men and women. Some say it’s gone downhill since changing owners. Pretty much the same thing you see in the reviews of any lower end spot. I figured a HJ was available, which I like as part of the massage, but I tend not to finish. I just embrace the extra massage as a way of building tantric energy, then go get shit done; like Deniro with his wife in Raging Bull.
I entered to be greeted by the 70-year-old MMS who handed me off to a cute, but older lady. I couldn’t tell if she was 40 or 55, but not 60 and not 35.

The room was cramped with curtain, the lady, let’s call her Elsa, started arranging the sheets while I undressed and I handed her $60 for the hour before laying down. The bed is comfy and she begins a light, then firm massage. Throughout, the massage gets a bit more sensual, I massage her legs, but I also pull back so she can work. In the end, I flip and she offers a HJ. I accept, and it’s nice, but like I said, I don’t often finish. I tried to pull her in for a kiss, but she pulled back, no sank you. I slipped my hand up her blouse, permitted, but nonplused. She tried different techniques to finish me off, but all the same result. I invited her to lay next to me, she did, but more of the same. I jokingly suggest she kiss my stomach, which she did. No, down lower, which she did, no, down lower, then she figured it out and laughed and shook her head no. She laid next to me and I kissed her forehead, she looked up and kissed me nicely. Then, more passionately. Then, she pulled her stretch pants down just a little and rubbed me on her lower stomach. It was hot and I exploded. I tipped $60 and she didn’t look at it.

A few days later, I returned as another walk in and asked if Elsa was there. She was and was excited to see me. The same routine and the massage was nice. On the flip, she lay next to me and started to kiss me, then more passionately. Sucking on my bottom lip. Stroking me. I made my way down her pants and she guided me under her panties and inside with one finger, beginning to grind. I worked two fingers in and she began to grind feverishly until my hand cramped. She maneuvered on top of me, pulled her stretch pants down and slid me inside. Whoa whoa, I pulled out. No no. She sat up and went down on me in seconds. Too forceful and I said sloooow… and she adjusted into a perfect blow slide until I came in her mouth and she kept going.
The third time I called to make sure she was there and stopped for condoms on the way. The same routine but when we got to the maneuver, I paused to get the condoms, then she used me as a grinding tool to grind herself into orgasm. I can hear the guy next door getting a massage and chatting with his provider while I tried to muffle her moans. She then sat up, and went down on me until I finished. She then got up and started a great foot massage. Then leg massage. Then went down on me again. Then kissed me, then down on me, then foot massage, then down on me, then kissed me, then down on me, then rested, then down on me. It was incredible. I didn’t finish for those repeats but it felt awesome. The strange thing is, it really feels like she’s not supposed to be doing that, but she is. Forbidden fruit. Stopping and listening. Poking her head out the curtain to see where the mms is hanging out.

The fourth visit I was tired. I just wanted a massage. While everything else happened, I was too tired to really get into it. Going back today after two weeks. If she’s there.

The moral of the story is to keep hunting and keep following through with visits if you feel a connection. What a lonely life. Be a gentle man.
I’m glad to say I’ve had a few such amazing experiences in my mongering career as well, but the providers turn over, and poof! You didn’t realize what you had til it’s gone :)
 

preakness

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Update
Though I’m recently less inclined to kiss and tell than ever before, and don’t currently wish to out my ATF, I’m sharing this by way of giving back, by way of inspiring those on a similar path to myself. That path being / to find an experience with connection and sensuality without being part of the whorehouse as AMP game being played as normal. Granted, those chicks are hot, I’m simply not interested in spending money and time with someone who has seen everyone and their brother. The stories of 30-minutes of waiting behind curtains, no shower available, girl with no time to wash between sessions…the breakfast of champions. Not my jam. For now. Been there.

My focus is on building relationships, as much as that can be defined, with a so-called legitimate massage woman, then work to take that relationship to the next level of intimacy. Of course, the same risks exist, fool around, fall in love, while for her it’s all about the money and one day poof - she’s gone. but so be it.

One fine day I was required to return a package to an Amazon drop center in a remote area far away from, but not too far away from, my home. I figured while I was there, I’d get in a massage. The few places in the area available were clearly lower end, crummy joints, one boasting a sure thing FS experience. While that’s fine sometimes, that’s not my main focus. My main focus is a great massage with the possibility of something extra. If extra extra takes place, that’s great, but I don’t look for it.
The spot I picked had reviews saying it was a decent legit massage. Some locals say it’s excellent. Men and women. Some say it’s gone downhill since changing owners. Pretty much the same thing you see in the reviews of any lower end spot. I figured a HJ was available, which I like as part of the massage, but I tend not to finish. I just embrace the extra massage as a way of building tantric energy, then go get shit done; like Deniro with his wife in Raging Bull.
I entered to be greeted by the 70-year-old MMS who handed me off to a cute, but older lady. I couldn’t tell if she was 40 or 55, but not 60 and not 35.

The room was cramped with curtain, the lady, let’s call her Elsa, started arranging the sheets while I undressed and I handed her $60 for the hour before laying down. The bed is comfy and she begins a light, then firm massage. Throughout, the massage gets a bit more sensual, I massage her legs, but I also pull back so she can work. In the end, I flip and she offers a HJ. I accept, and it’s nice, but like I said, I don’t often finish. I tried to pull her in for a kiss, but she pulled back, no sank you. I slipped my hand up her blouse, permitted, but nonplused. She tried different techniques to finish me off, but all the same result. I invited her to lay next to me, she did, but more of the same. I jokingly suggest she kiss my stomach, which she did. No, down lower, which she did, no, down lower, then she figured it out and laughed and shook her head no. She laid next to me and I kissed her forehead, she looked up and kissed me nicely. Then, more passionately. Then, she pulled her stretch pants down just a little and rubbed me on her lower stomach. It was hot and I exploded. I tipped $60 and she didn’t look at it.

A few days later, I returned as another walk in and asked if Elsa was there. She was and was excited to see me. The same routine and the massage was nice. On the flip, she lay next to me and started to kiss me, then more passionately. Sucking on my bottom lip. Stroking me. I made my way down her pants and she guided me under her panties and inside with one finger, beginning to grind. I worked two fingers in and she began to grind feverishly until my hand cramped. She maneuvered on top of me, pulled her stretch pants down and slid me inside. Whoa whoa, I pulled out. No no. She sat up and went down on me in seconds. Too forceful and I said sloooow… and she adjusted into a perfect blow slide until I came in her mouth and she kept going.
The third time I called to make sure she was there and stopped for condoms on the way. The same routine but when we got to the maneuver, I paused to get the condoms, then she used me as a grinding tool to grind herself into orgasm. I can hear the guy next door getting a massage and chatting with his provider while I tried to muffle her moans. She then sat up, and went down on me until I finished. She then got up and started a great foot massage. Then leg massage. Then went down on me again. Then kissed me, then down on me, then foot massage, then down on me, then kissed me, then down on me, then rested, then down on me. It was incredible. I didn’t finish for those repeats but it felt awesome. The strange thing is, it really feels like she’s not supposed to be doing that, but she is. Forbidden fruit. Stopping and listening. Poking her head out the curtain to see where the mms is hanging out.

The fourth visit I was tired. I just wanted a massage. While everything else happened, I was too tired to really get into it. Going back today after two weeks. If she’s there.

The moral of the story is to keep hunting and keep following through with visits if you feel a connection. What a lonely life. Be a gentle man.
I got horny, Sensei!
 

markkennedy

BFE to your GFE
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My other signature move is to wait until about 10-minutes into the massage, then stop them and confess - Hey, I think today I’m just going to have a massage. I’ll still tip you very well, but you give a great massage, so I just want to relax and enjoy it.”

It messes with their equilibrium and they find themselves exploring what you may possibly have meant.
There's a store in my area that is 100% HE only. For mostly everyone. Ok is like 99% HE only. Anyway, I do the same thing you say, but for different reason. That place gives no joke jack the best TM you can get round these here parts, hands down even ladies' shops and pro masseuses and masseurs not even close. So sometimes, I might go in there and tell one of the gals right off the bat, that I really just need massage, because I really need a massage; might have just gotten done fucking my wife at home, no need for HE or FS, just need a massage. Sometimes when it become HE time, I might have changed my mind, and then either go to normal HE time or go into the extra menu time, but those gals know me so well that they know it's my decision based on what I like that day, no reflection on them. Have had the HE and the extra menu from all three and am positive they all know I enjoy. And I always tip the normal HE price even if no HE, because we know they're there for the money. My compliments and the other may grease the wheels, but money is the thing.

As for moves at legit places. A thing that has worked several times at different stores. I didn't even do it on purpose, it just worked once and I tried again someplace else and it worked again. So at a chain massage shop, when you go there first time they make you fill out a form like you would at doctor's office. While doing this, I tell the gal there exactly what's up. "Well this is my first time at this kind of store, the places I normally go to, ya know," and I make the universal sign of getting jerked off. Then they know you're a dude that gets jerked off at spas during massage, and then when it's money time, for HF, whip out your normal monger pile, make sure they know that you came prepared for anything, you got plenty of cash for whatever menu item might exist. Then it's on that gal, if she has some reason she might like to get a 60 or 140 tip instead of 20, or she is horny, or she likes the cut of your jib lol, either way, ball is 100% in her court. You didn't solicit, you didn't soil her license or the reputation of her profession, nothing that would change anything other than that she knows if she tries to get that pile of money, you are 100% on board. All this also sets the stage for how much draping is done, she knows you don't give a fuck, so then again it's in her court, she can dispense with it, or she can go hardcore, either way, you'll know this almost from the rip, if she puts that drape on and like tucks it under your body like a mummy, just enjoy the licensed professional massage and tip your Jackso and move along. Especially at chain shops and shops that you know have endless procession of new gals who get fired quickly because they are better suited probably for the window at Wendy's, you can get a BBJ using this method at least half the time.
 
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