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GFE Market Rate Adjustment
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@Don Hollinger any particular car fun providers you’d recommend?
I deeply apologize for hijacking this genteel thread.
I remain confused at the nastiness directed at these women. I don’t like the recent hikes either, and go to less expensive Corgs–a different kind of event–along with the Korgs. I have choices, we all do.
For the guy with a better body than the provider, kudos. Start a family with a civvie gal who’s also perfect, and after she’s had a kid or two…things will droop and sag and get loose. Part of life…
I’m a senior citizen, so when I visit Korgs/Corgs I’m robbing the cradle.
But I can understand how some younger guys would feel, and I've wasted hard earned cash porking women my age who posted photos from when they were in their 30's. I just didn't go back. I didn't rant about their pussies.
As for car fun and street action, I was pointing out the cheapest venue for intimacy and threw up a random link. Unless one came up in the streets, or is a quick study for how things flow there, it can get dangerous. It was fun when I was young and stupid, but now I'm old and senile.
The biggest risk for me these days is getting the gate code correct and having the elevator work.
I remain confused at the nastiness directed at these women. I don’t like the recent hikes either, and go to less expensive Corgs–a different kind of event–along with the Korgs. I have choices, we all do.
For the guy with a better body than the provider, kudos. Start a family with a civvie gal who’s also perfect, and after she’s had a kid or two…things will droop and sag and get loose. Part of life…
I’m a senior citizen, so when I visit Korgs/Corgs I’m robbing the cradle.
But I can understand how some younger guys would feel, and I've wasted hard earned cash porking women my age who posted photos from when they were in their 30's. I just didn't go back. I didn't rant about their pussies.
As for car fun and street action, I was pointing out the cheapest venue for intimacy and threw up a random link. Unless one came up in the streets, or is a quick study for how things flow there, it can get dangerous. It was fun when I was young and stupid, but now I'm old and senile.
The biggest risk for me these days is getting the gate code correct and having the elevator work.
So because you did it one way, is everyone else supposed to follow? I don't get it. Nothing wrong with critical feedback imo.
If price of steak is going up but quality remains the same or goes down, there will be criticisms. Imo responding to that with "you can eat at mickey ds instead" does nothing but divert attention and take the heat off. With all due respect.
If price of steak is going up but quality remains the same or goes down, there will be criticisms. Imo responding to that with "you can eat at mickey ds instead" does nothing but divert attention and take the heat off. With all due respect.
You all completely missed Don's point. He was a gentleman and politely tried to say drop the unwarranted nastiness, be adults and deal with the situation. The complaints and anger do nothing. If anything, having unbalanced angry mongers is not something healthy for those of us who would like this hobby to remain under the radar. Who knows what unhinged people might end up doing in self justified retribution. Remember the whack job that attacked the massage parlors in Georgia? There's nothing to be angry about here. If you don't like pricing or selection, just don't patronize those businesses.
Nobody likes price hikes. Ranting about it, bad mouthing orgs, saying certain orgs need to shut down, and any other number of recent sentiments being posted lately are completely pointless and extremely narcissistic. Nobody needs to do anything for anybody. Nobody is being forced to see anybody. No org needs to only have talent that certain mongers prefer or set prices based on others opinions. If they are able to remain in business however they choose to run it, then there is a market for it and good for them. If you disagree with an org then vote with your dollars and spend them elsewhere.
I think McDonald's food is trash, but I don't tell them how they need to change their menu to appease me. I just don't eat there and move along with my day. If enough people did the same, then they actually would change their business. The fact that they are actually quite successful means that there IS an audience that enjoys what they're serving and good for them. Everybody has every right to their own preferences. I don't look down on or talk condescendingly to the people that enjoy it.
Even looking at the first page or two of this forum, there's posts from mongers asking for all grannies, milfs, skinny girls, big boobs/ass, rimmers, amps, aamps, indies, etc. It doesn't all need to be for you - just move along if it isn't.
Nobody likes price hikes. Ranting about it, bad mouthing orgs, saying certain orgs need to shut down, and any other number of recent sentiments being posted lately are completely pointless and extremely narcissistic. Nobody needs to do anything for anybody. Nobody is being forced to see anybody. No org needs to only have talent that certain mongers prefer or set prices based on others opinions. If they are able to remain in business however they choose to run it, then there is a market for it and good for them. If you disagree with an org then vote with your dollars and spend them elsewhere.
I think McDonald's food is trash, but I don't tell them how they need to change their menu to appease me. I just don't eat there and move along with my day. If enough people did the same, then they actually would change their business. The fact that they are actually quite successful means that there IS an audience that enjoys what they're serving and good for them. Everybody has every right to their own preferences. I don't look down on or talk condescendingly to the people that enjoy it.
Even looking at the first page or two of this forum, there's posts from mongers asking for all grannies, milfs, skinny girls, big boobs/ass, rimmers, amps, aamps, indies, etc. It doesn't all need to be for you - just move along if it isn't.
You're assuming again everybody wants what you want though. The purpose of these forums is indeed to review and share information with each other. Leaving an honest review is one thing. Bashing just because what's on offer isn't your cup of tea is another. Be that price, or the provider herself. As mentioned, lots of people like different types of tea. You're calling it a trap because it wasn't for you. For some people it is exactly what they are looking for though.
As long as it’s clear why the “bashing” is happening for said monger I’m all for it.
If it’s just senseless and without just cause then pipe down, same applies the other way, be honest about objective things eg physical attributes like waist size or hair length. Seems like Ppl on here can’t even do that basic shit…oh gee u can tell what D cups are D cups but u can’t objectively tell anything else? Lmao
If it’s just senseless and without just cause then pipe down, same applies the other way, be honest about objective things eg physical attributes like waist size or hair length. Seems like Ppl on here can’t even do that basic shit…oh gee u can tell what D cups are D cups but u can’t objectively tell anything else? Lmao
I didn't miss the point at all. I simply disagree with it. Just like you said there are different cups of tea for everyone product-wise, there is a different cup of tea for everyone choosing to react to quality a certain way.
This is a business, not a dating avenue. People spend their hard-earned money and have a certain set of expectations when they pay. When these expectations are not met, people have a right to sound off and complain and express strong opinion. Their view will be subjective and based on their likes, and that's fine.
By suppressing complaints, all you do is enable the seller to further engage in practices that someone may not like.
It is not a secret these public forums are monitored by orgs and even RAs. It is not a secret the money made depends on reviews, 411s and especially trusted members' reviews/minis rather heavily. It is so in every part of the kgirl game in the US. So if a client feels strong about offerings of a particular org, why can't he express his opinion to make sure others don't give them money? "Moving on" doesn't do that. Putting the heat on them does.
People complain about businesses and products online all the time. Why should this hobby be any different? People say don't give money to company X or Y. Don't give money to EA sports. Don't give money to Blizzard/Activision. Don't give money to HSBC. And so forth.
You claim complaints don't help. I disagree. They do. At the very least they let mongers vent. The Atlanta guy has really nothing to do with this. He wasnt upset with pussy value he was getting. What complaints do is affect the public image, and many times force the companies do something. Because negative public image is not good for their revenue and even if they are successful, guess what? No seller wants the negative public image.
There is a reason ebk lost their name and orgs don't want to be associated with that name anymore.
The difference between "moving on silently" and complaining is that in the former case the orgs can get their money doing whatever offerings and practices and not held accountable. In the latter case, they are held more accountable as public perception starts to build.
If you are unhappy with the tone of complaints and specific wording, then it's understandable and I agree. If you are unhappy with overall complaints....then I disagree vehemently.
This is a business, not a dating avenue. People spend their hard-earned money and have a certain set of expectations when they pay. When these expectations are not met, people have a right to sound off and complain and express strong opinion. Their view will be subjective and based on their likes, and that's fine.
By suppressing complaints, all you do is enable the seller to further engage in practices that someone may not like.
It is not a secret these public forums are monitored by orgs and even RAs. It is not a secret the money made depends on reviews, 411s and especially trusted members' reviews/minis rather heavily. It is so in every part of the kgirl game in the US. So if a client feels strong about offerings of a particular org, why can't he express his opinion to make sure others don't give them money? "Moving on" doesn't do that. Putting the heat on them does.
People complain about businesses and products online all the time. Why should this hobby be any different? People say don't give money to company X or Y. Don't give money to EA sports. Don't give money to Blizzard/Activision. Don't give money to HSBC. And so forth.
You claim complaints don't help. I disagree. They do. At the very least they let mongers vent. The Atlanta guy has really nothing to do with this. He wasnt upset with pussy value he was getting. What complaints do is affect the public image, and many times force the companies do something. Because negative public image is not good for their revenue and even if they are successful, guess what? No seller wants the negative public image.
There is a reason ebk lost their name and orgs don't want to be associated with that name anymore.
The difference between "moving on silently" and complaining is that in the former case the orgs can get their money doing whatever offerings and practices and not held accountable. In the latter case, they are held more accountable as public perception starts to build.
If you are unhappy with the tone of complaints and specific wording, then it's understandable and I agree. If you are unhappy with overall complaints....then I disagree vehemently.
There is also a difference between complaining with an ax to grind, and informed complaints. IMO, most of the complaints on this board come from conjecture and no real critical thinking. Comparing this industry, of which none of us(or maybe most of us) know nothing about, with other regulated industries is pure folly. Comparing this work to burger flipping, for example, purely uninformed. We simply don't have the complete picture to even guess what goes into pricing. The only thing you can compare is the feeling of "I should be paid more for this". That sound familiar? like what's going on in the US labor market?
As I've said time and again, follow the girls. the orgs can't do shit. Unless they are the kind that steal passports and hold them hostage you all really think they have a say? Look how many options they have, they jump on their phones, jump on a plane or take a special taxi and bam, they off somewhere else working. I've seen the same girl at different places and give totally different level of service at the same price. Often paying more for less service, when asked why(usually with an CF that declines a service previously provided) it's always "why work more for less"?
I know for a fact that GFEi has *mostly* change the prices only after others have. Yes they have some one-off like Adel, and Allison, but those were always prebooked out way in advance. Statistically speaking to you guys, they were "worth it". Some LA girls testing the waters also did they same. AND ALSO MANY OTHER PLACES. Why do I know think/guess this? because when I am in the BA, they are my go to based on pricing, but lately I still go with other orgs, because I do agree they are lacking in the youth dept. also I personally just hobby less because of the price increases everywhere. My last visit I saw Cola at c-org and still had a blast (will review later-need to renew my membership
). I still have my milf ATF at GFEi there that I visit when I have that specific need, but this time around at 280, I will indeed shop around more.
With the die-hard dollar counters, clock watchers, scale-toting, fat caliper wielding, wrinkle watchers, etc, not booking, it makes it easier for others to book. Same goes in LA if not worse. Like LA sera once said (when she was 250 vs 220), she priced out the kinds of clients she doesn't want. Pure and simple.
If venting was just venting, and not vitriol, there would be no problems. But I have a suspicion, some (not all) complaints have a personal ax to grind. unless you enslave/indenture the providers, GFEi is not the first, not the only, and certainly won't be the last to increase prices.
I agree, this if a forum for venting, for complaining, but when it's the same rinse and repeat uninformed vitriol for the sake of complaining, with no real thought, it's useless.
Without fail, when visiting the BA, I have to sift through the same crap before getting to the real information. Critical thinking folks. C'mon really now...
For example, I'm weighing seeing two c-girls at watersnake, vs the legend Ceroni. I enjoyed my time with Ceroni back in the day, but my needs have changed recently. Does that mean Ceroni isn't worth it?
As I've said time and again, follow the girls. the orgs can't do shit. Unless they are the kind that steal passports and hold them hostage you all really think they have a say? Look how many options they have, they jump on their phones, jump on a plane or take a special taxi and bam, they off somewhere else working. I've seen the same girl at different places and give totally different level of service at the same price. Often paying more for less service, when asked why(usually with an CF that declines a service previously provided) it's always "why work more for less"?
I know for a fact that GFEi has *mostly* change the prices only after others have. Yes they have some one-off like Adel, and Allison, but those were always prebooked out way in advance. Statistically speaking to you guys, they were "worth it". Some LA girls testing the waters also did they same. AND ALSO MANY OTHER PLACES. Why do I know think/guess this? because when I am in the BA, they are my go to based on pricing, but lately I still go with other orgs, because I do agree they are lacking in the youth dept. also I personally just hobby less because of the price increases everywhere. My last visit I saw Cola at c-org and still had a blast (will review later-need to renew my membership
). I still have my milf ATF at GFEi there that I visit when I have that specific need, but this time around at 280, I will indeed shop around more.With the die-hard dollar counters, clock watchers, scale-toting, fat caliper wielding, wrinkle watchers, etc, not booking, it makes it easier for others to book. Same goes in LA if not worse. Like LA sera once said (when she was 250 vs 220), she priced out the kinds of clients she doesn't want. Pure and simple.
If venting was just venting, and not vitriol, there would be no problems. But I have a suspicion, some (not all) complaints have a personal ax to grind. unless you enslave/indenture the providers, GFEi is not the first, not the only, and certainly won't be the last to increase prices.
I agree, this if a forum for venting, for complaining, but when it's the same rinse and repeat uninformed vitriol for the sake of complaining, with no real thought, it's useless.
Without fail, when visiting the BA, I have to sift through the same crap before getting to the real information. Critical thinking folks. C'mon really now...
For example, I'm weighing seeing two c-girls at watersnake, vs the legend Ceroni. I enjoyed my time with Ceroni back in the day, but my needs have changed recently. Does that mean Ceroni isn't worth it?
There is also a difference between complaining with an ax to grind, and informed complaints. IMO, most of the complaints on this board come from conjecture and no real critical thinking. Comparing this industry, of which none of us(or maybe most of us) know nothing about, with other regulated industries is pure folly. Comparing this work to burger flipping, for example, purely uninformed. We simply don't have the complete picture to even guess what goes into pricing. The only thing you can compare is the feeling of "I should be paid more for this". That sound familiar? like what's going on in the US labor market?
As I've said time and again, follow the girls. the orgs can't do shit. Unless they are the kind that steal passports and hold them hostage you all really think they have a say? Look how many options they have, they jump on their phones, jump on a plane or take a special taxi and bam, they off somewhere else working. I've seen the same girl at different places and give totally different level of service at the same price. Often paying more for less service, when asked why(usually with an CF that declines a service previously provided) it's always "why work more for less"?
I know for a fact that GFEi has *mostly* change the prices only after others have. Yes they have some one-off like Adel, and Allison, but those were always prebooked out way in advance. Statistically speaking to you guys, they were "worth it". Some LA girls testing the waters also did they same. AND ALSO MANY OTHER PLACES. Why do I know think/guess this? because when I am in the BA, they are my go to based on pricing, but lately I still go with other orgs, because I do agree they are lacking in the youth dept. also I personally just hobby less because of the price increases everywhere. My last visit I saw Cola at c-org and still had a blast (will review later-need to renew my membership). I still have my milf ATF at GFEi there that I visit when I have that specific need, but this time around at 280, I will indeed shop around more.
With the die-hard dollar counters, clock watchers, scale-toting, fat caliper wielding, wrinkle watchers, etc, not booking, it makes it easier for others to book. Same goes in LA if not worse. Like LA sera once said (when she was 250 vs 220), she priced out the kinds of clients she doesn't want. Pure and simple.
If venting was just venting, and not vitriol, there would be no problems. But I have a suspicion, some (not all) complaints have a personal ax to grind. unless you enslave/indenture the providers, GFEi is not the first, not the only, and certainly won't be the last to increase prices.
I agree, this if a forum for venting, for complaining, but when it's the same rinse and repeat uninformed vitriol for the sake of complaining, with no real thought, it's useless.
Without fail, when visiting the BA, I have to sift through the same crap before getting to the real information. Critical thinking folks. C'mon really now...
For example, I'm weighing seeing two c-girls at watersnake, vs the legend Ceroni. I enjoyed my time with Ceroni back in the day, but my needs have changed recently. Does that mean Ceroni isn't worth it?
As I've said time and again, follow the girls. the orgs can't do shit. Unless they are the kind that steal passports and hold them hostage you all really think they have a say? Look how many options they have, they jump on their phones, jump on a plane or take a special taxi and bam, they off somewhere else working. I've seen the same girl at different places and give totally different level of service at the same price. Often paying more for less service, when asked why(usually with an CF that declines a service previously provided) it's always "why work more for less"?
I know for a fact that GFEi has *mostly* change the prices only after others have. Yes they have some one-off like Adel, and Allison, but those were always prebooked out way in advance. Statistically speaking to you guys, they were "worth it". Some LA girls testing the waters also did they same. AND ALSO MANY OTHER PLACES. Why do I know think/guess this? because when I am in the BA, they are my go to based on pricing, but lately I still go with other orgs, because I do agree they are lacking in the youth dept. also I personally just hobby less because of the price increases everywhere. My last visit I saw Cola at c-org and still had a blast (will review later-need to renew my membership
). I still have my milf ATF at GFEi there that I visit when I have that specific need, but this time around at 280, I will indeed shop around more.With the die-hard dollar counters, clock watchers, scale-toting, fat caliper wielding, wrinkle watchers, etc, not booking, it makes it easier for others to book. Same goes in LA if not worse. Like LA sera once said (when she was 250 vs 220), she priced out the kinds of clients she doesn't want. Pure and simple.
If venting was just venting, and not vitriol, there would be no problems. But I have a suspicion, some (not all) complaints have a personal ax to grind. unless you enslave/indenture the providers, GFEi is not the first, not the only, and certainly won't be the last to increase prices.
I agree, this if a forum for venting, for complaining, but when it's the same rinse and repeat uninformed vitriol for the sake of complaining, with no real thought, it's useless.
Without fail, when visiting the BA, I have to sift through the same crap before getting to the real information. Critical thinking folks. C'mon really now...
For example, I'm weighing seeing two c-girls at watersnake, vs the legend Ceroni. I enjoyed my time with Ceroni back in the day, but my needs have changed recently. Does that mean Ceroni isn't worth it?
You're also not wrong.
Uhhh...so you said we can't even begin to guess and yet here you are doing much more than guessing as to what goes into pricing.
Here's my take and it's quite simple. It's purely from a customers point because I'm nothing more than a customer.
I do not know how to make cake. Never made cake. Never tried to make cake. I do know if the cake tastes good or fresh. I know what good catering of cake for events is and I know what bad catering is. I know what price of cakes are and know what is good value for cake. I consume cake and am a cake consumer enthusiast. Got my little reddit account HoldenCaulfieldLovesYouLikeAFatKidLovesCake and all that.
Now, let's say cake and cake catering is offered by some outlets and not directly from the manufacturer. Let's call such outlet a cake store. They get it from bakeries.
Now here comes the relevant part. If I dislike the taste of the cake, its price or value I'll go ahead and write a review and or discussion post and voice my displeasure. While Im displeased with a cake itself, I do buy cake from the store. I ask them if the cake pictured in the ad is a true depiction, I ask them what time I can pick up the cake and consume it, stick some candles into it and so forth. I don't know who actually bakes it and frankly, I don't care much. I'm interested in the end product than who made it and who set the price.
So, there are some crappy cakes out there sitting in the cake store. It's up to the STORE to make sure that some product that has at the very best mixed reviews, is removed from the shelves. It's up to the store to make sure that cake that bombed previously isn't getting back on the shelf again. Those bad cakes are going to impact the cake store rep, and rightfully so.
The store controls which cake gets to be sold. As I buy it from the store and store has some reputation attached to it. The store gets to chose which cakes to buy, which to display and so forth. And sorry, as a customer I have little to no sympathy if the store manager keeps telling me they have to buy and resell subpar product to stay in business. Because as a customer, you rarely want such product. Selfish yes, but no more so than makers of the cake.
As I see the same old cakes sitting on the shelves I start going on my reddit cake hobby site and say, hey guys - don't give money to this store. They raised prices, the cakes are hitting the expiration date soon, they are renaming old cakes as new ones and saying they're brand new. Oh and catering quality plummeted (assuming all of those are true of course, don't lie).
Now onto the last point, vitriol. Well, amount of vitriol that is ok and not OK needs to be defined then . If I say -- and yes, I know that cake is bad food for dogs - - that this cake is so bad I wouldn't feed it to my dog, is that vitriol? Do I really have an ax to grind? Not really, you can't have an ax to grind when you care about quality and quality only. It might be strong words that might not be pleasant to read for people who made the cake, sure. But I believe strong opinions that are true are always more helpful than sugar-coating and fake flattering.
I knew someone would mention this hence the above quoted part from my novel . I was too lazy to change all instances of "know" to "guess". But there is still some logic to why the girls control the pricing. more logic then "bitch better suck better if she want that dolla" coming from the orgs... You see the patterns of movement, this is much more educated than "orgs need to control their bitches"(something I read elsewhere, but using my own words for color )
1(among many) possible definitions of vitriol could be suggesting something not true. I said I don't go with GFEi that much anymore, I agree they are aging out of the market, but I won't suggest any particular org is leading the charge nor some illuminati price fixing the industry, I've noticeably seen some orgs struggle and keeping pricing down only to join the wave later. On a previous visit perhaps mid last year, SA 280(PO said depends on girl), EBK 270 +50 msog, KL 270, VF 260, GFEi 260. and of course a lot has indeed change even beginning of the year and late 2021. So, while I don't know, I kind of assume from the "tone" seems like sometimes Ax to grind.
I agree with you vitriol could be defined, but that is no easier than defining quality.
again with regulated industry comparisons... service industry like this vs cake sourcing, while I get the loose interpretation, it's still not apples to apples, making a cake is controlled down to the minute of baking time, and oz of ingredients and the outcome can be measured and priced. BTW twinkies are my guilty pleasure. Can you control the variable of a girl? Ok baby, since you blow at X psi, and your honey hole co-efficient of friction(as a function of tightness) is Y, you can charge Z. ok, now you go stand in the front and make me money. Thanks.
Again I'm in complete agreement on voicing ones opinions on pricing, but some seem to speak so authoritatively about price fixing, and singling out specific "orgs", EBK for example, somehow had a pretty bad rep toward the end of their days, but it's the same damn girls, moving around.
"Mugatu is so hot right now he could take a crap, wrap it in tinfoil, put a couple fish hooks on it and sell it to Queen Elizabeth as earrings" Zoolander quote. So in this case does the org really make the girl? look at the movement, it tells a different story.
anyway, haha I'm done with my novels full of conjecture and drivel. you are right this is just my opinion and I don't know, but I kind of believe I have a bit more history with kgirls, and since we all throwing out guesses anyway, I still think mine has more experience behind it than others.
not looking to pick a fight, but this is actually what constructive discussion looks like. For that good sir, I think you.
. I was too lazy to change all instances of "know" to "guess". But there is still some logic to why the girls control the pricing. more logic then "bitch better suck better if she want that dolla" coming from the orgs... You see the patterns of movement, this is much more educated than "orgs need to control their bitches"(something I read elsewhere, but using my own words for color )1(among many) possible definitions of vitriol could be suggesting something not true. I said I don't go with GFEi that much anymore, I agree they are aging out of the market, but I won't suggest any particular org is leading the charge nor some illuminati price fixing the industry, I've noticeably seen some orgs struggle and keeping pricing down only to join the wave later. On a previous visit perhaps mid last year, SA 280(PO said depends on girl), EBK 270 +50 msog, KL 270, VF 260, GFEi 260. and of course a lot has indeed change even beginning of the year and late 2021. So, while I don't know, I kind of assume from the "tone" seems like sometimes Ax to grind.
I agree with you vitriol could be defined, but that is no easier than defining quality.
again with regulated industry comparisons... service industry like this vs cake sourcing, while I get the loose interpretation, it's still not apples to apples, making a cake is controlled down to the minute of baking time, and oz of ingredients and the outcome can be measured and priced. BTW twinkies are my guilty pleasure. Can you control the variable of a girl? Ok baby, since you blow at X psi, and your honey hole co-efficient of friction(as a function of tightness) is Y, you can charge Z. ok, now you go stand in the front and make me money. Thanks.
Again I'm in complete agreement on voicing ones opinions on pricing, but some seem to speak so authoritatively about price fixing, and singling out specific "orgs", EBK for example, somehow had a pretty bad rep toward the end of their days, but it's the same damn girls, moving around.
"Mugatu is so hot right now he could take a crap, wrap it in tinfoil, put a couple fish hooks on it and sell it to Queen Elizabeth as earrings" Zoolander quote. So in this case does the org really make the girl? look at the movement, it tells a different story.
anyway, haha I'm done with my novels full of conjecture and drivel. you are right this is just my opinion and I don't know, but I kind of believe I have a bit more history with kgirls, and since we all throwing out guesses anyway, I still think mine has more experience behind it than others.
not looking to pick a fight, but this is actually what constructive discussion looks like. For that good sir, I think you.