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TGBeldin

TGBeldin

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Zzzz said:
Or perhaps, the truth stings a bit?

A smile to the face and dagger to the back - More candid behavior would certainly be bad for business.
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No, no sting.

But to think human emotions are different because one woman charges 160 at an AMP, another charges 300 on P411, and a third charges 25K to be a CEO's arm candy then you are being quite foolish.

You are the one who sounds like he reached for the grapes and didn't get them, so he laments they must have been sour.
 
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looper200

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I am looking for a woman I can fall in love with... wait this is not Asia charm shit my mistake. Here looking for a good massage , leave happy and a full bottle of water out the door.
 
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TGBeldin said:
No, no sting.

But to think human emotions are different because one woman charges 160 at an AMP, another charges 300 on P411, and a third charges 25K to be a CEO's arm candy then you are being quite foolish.

You are the one who sounds like he reached for the grapes and didn't get them, so he laments they must have been sour.
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Unfortunately, your conclusion is quite reductive. Here's an analogy:

Let's say you have three immigrants who seek a pathway to the land of milk and honey, of which there are many roads that lead there.

-One takes a first-class ride on Emirates (that'll cost you!)
-A second pays a shipmate to be a stowaway on a cruise ship
-And a third cobbles together enough to pay smugglers to transport them via a convoluted journey on boat/ jeep/ foot through the shanty towns and dense jungle of some unforgiving and unfamiliar land.

Quite possibly, all will have arrived to the land of milk and honey, but the sacrifice to getting there would be much greater for some than others.

You are either intentionally ignoring or (maybe) oblivious to the fact that experience has an impact on emotional and psychological well-being.
 
Srhsrh

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Well right after I said I dont prejudge people, i'll break my rule and give you a short (semi-serious) list of girls that I would avoid quicker than I would avoid a spa girl as a marriage prospect. this is based on my 40 years of adult single life dating girls and trying to assess quickly whether they are worth spending time on. I'd avoid:

1. She has one of those little dogs, and she brings it everywhere with her in a hand bag, including on first dates. You're always going to be in second place.

2. she lives alone, and has more than 2 cats. enough said.

3. Divorce lawyers. they absolutely cant tell the truth.

4. lots of makeup, very long nails, and that nail art stuff. she'll never use her hands for anything, whether its cleaning the house, or providing you with a PM.

5. she's posting photos of your first date dinner on instagram during dinner. you cant eat your meal before she photos it. Her life is virtual, she'll never deal in reality.

So yes, I'd take my chances on a spa girl, before many of the girls i've met outside the spa. And I agree with the comment that the spa girls are just as damaged, as the customers that see them.

But I also have never seen this as such a bad thing that everyone in this business is eternally dammed. There's much worse crimes than providing a little pleasure and entertainment.
 
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Srhsrh said:
Well right after I said I dont prejudge people, i'll break my rule and give you a short (semi-serious) list of girls that I would avoid quicker than I would avoid a spa girl as a marriage prospect. this is based on my 40 years of adult single life dating girls and trying to assess quickly whether they are worth spending time on. I'd avoid:

1. She has one of those little dogs, and she brings it everywhere with her in a hand bag, including on first dates. You're always going to be in second place.

2. she lives alone, and has more than 2 cats. enough said.

3. Divorce lawyers. they absolutely cant tell the truth.

4. lots of makeup, very long nails, and that nail art stuff. she'll never use her hands for anything, whether its cleaning the house, or providing you with a PM.

5. she's posting photos of your first date dinner on instagram during dinner. you cant eat your meal before she photos it. Her life is virtual, she'll never deal in reality.

So yes, I'd take my chances on a spa girl, before many of the girls i've met outside the spa. And I agree with the comment that the spa girls are just as damaged, as the customers that see them.

But I also have never seen this as such a bad thing that everyone in this business is eternally dammed. There's much worse crimes than providing a little pleasure and entertainment.
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Good list, there are several more types I would add to the list. Come to think of it spa workers are a cut above several of the other groups.
 
Koondog

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Uniquelyme said:
I by no means am saying that all pros are morally bad or that they are all gold diggers. Especially amp girls ik many of the amp girls who are immigrants do this out of necessity.

However I am saying I am not going to fall for a Woman who is doing this because she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it. Why risk it?? There are sooooo many Women who don't have that extra baggage. Why put myself in that position. Perhaps when I'm in my 50's and I just don't gaf. Maybe. However now, no.

Same goes for a Woman. Why should a Woman date a Man who makes good money but sells drugs to get that money. Ik it happens but many Women don't see these type of Men. Because of the extra baggage.

Relationships are hard enough as it is. To start it off in a bad way isn't a good idea.
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"There are sooooo many Women who don't have that extra baggage. Why put myself in that position."

Now there's some solid thinking. It's a one of a kind baggage, the worst kind of baggage because it destroys any hope of fidelity and trust between 2 people. Once they're in, they're IN. And in it for life. They might like you but never forget what comes first in their life. Hint--it's not you.
 
Koondog

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Uniquelyme said:
They have vaulabe attributes. And to each their own. Imo though you are taking more of a risk dating a Woman who has been fucking many Men for money. It skews their way of thinking. Much better if at all to get a girl when she just starts providing as opposed to one who's been doing this a while.
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" Imo though you are taking more of a risk dating a Woman who has been fucking many Men for money."

This cannot be overstated enough. Entering into a relationship with a provider and you are already starting with 2 hands tied behind your back. Lots of guys here seem to be under the impression that there's a pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. No offense to anyone but I don't think this issue has been thought through enough.
 
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Srhsrh said:
Well right after I said I dont prejudge people, i'll break my rule and give you a short (semi-serious) list of girls that I would avoid quicker than I would avoid a spa girl as a marriage prospect. this is based on my 40 years of adult single life dating girls and trying to assess quickly whether they are worth spending time on. I'd avoid:

1. She has one of those little dogs, and she brings it everywhere with her in a hand bag, including on first dates. You're always going to be in second place.

2. she lives alone, and has more than 2 cats. enough said.

3. Divorce lawyers. they absolutely cant tell the truth.

4. lots of makeup, very long nails, and that nail art stuff. she'll never use her hands for anything, whether its cleaning the house, or providing you with a PM.

5. she's posting photos of your first date dinner on instagram during dinner. you cant eat your meal before she photos it. Her life is virtual, she'll never deal in reality.

So yes, I'd take my chances on a spa girl, before many of the girls i've met outside the spa. And I agree with the comment that the spa girls are just as damaged, as the customers that see them.

But I also have never seen this as such a bad thing that everyone in this business is eternally dammed. There's much worse crimes than providing a little pleasure and entertainment.
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Great list. I would add number 6. She is on antidepressants. Not knowing this cost me half of my 401K.
 
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Zzzz said:
Unfortunately, your conclusion is quite reductive. Here's an analogy:

Let's say you have three immigrants who seek a pathway to the land of milk and honey, of which there are many roads that lead there.

-One takes a first-class ride on Emirates (that'll cost you!)
-A second pays a shipmate to be a stowaway on a cruise ship
-And a third cobbles together enough to pay smugglers to transport them via a convoluted journey on boat/ jeep/ foot through the shanty towns and dense jungle of some unforgiving and unfamiliar land.

Quite possibly, all will have arrived to the land of milk and honey, but the sacrifice to getting there would be much greater for some than others.

You are either intentionally ignoring or (maybe) oblivious to the fact that experience has an impact on emotional and psychological well-being.
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And, you need to take into account what their life was like back home and why they fled.


“And a third cobbles together enough to pay smugglers to transport them via a convoluted journey on boat/ jeep/ foot through the shanty towns and dense jungle of some unforgiving and unfamiliar land.

Quite possibly, all will have arrived to the land of milk and honey, but the sacrifice to getting there would be much greater for some than others.”

I’m familiar with this scenario. A few have shared their experiences. Not a pleasant journey and it did shape how they view their time in America. Quite a few come on a visa and overstay or as some are doing, they leave before the 6 month tourist visa expires so they can return in a few months.
 
TGBeldin

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Zzzz said:
Unfortunately, your conclusion is quite reductive. Here's an analogy:

Let's say you have three immigrants who seek a pathway to the land of milk and honey, of which there are many roads that lead there.

-One takes a first-class ride on Emirates (that'll cost you!)
-A second pays a shipmate to be a stowaway on a cruise ship
-And a third cobbles together enough to pay smugglers to transport them via a convoluted journey on boat/ jeep/ foot through the shanty towns and dense jungle of some unforgiving and unfamiliar land.

Quite possibly, all will have arrived to the land of milk and honey, but the sacrifice to getting there would be much greater for some than others.

You are either intentionally ignoring or (maybe) oblivious to the fact that experience has an impact on emotional and psychological well-being.
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Z, I certainly agree that experiences have an impact on a person's emotional and psychological well being, but I think you seriously over simplify.

What price and environment these women are in is but one experience among many--thus but one experience that goes into their well being. Even if two women did have exactly the same experiences they may respond internally and externally quite differently. And there are other issues beyond experiences that influence it as well.

As a result I do not believe you can look at a single aspect--AMP vs P411 vs Arm Candy and generalize what any individual lady will be like.

Also, you have no idea what road got a woman to where she is. One friend charges 2K an hour, but came up in the slums of a major Eastern city. Another in that price range started as a trafficked AMP worker from Hong Kong. A third grew up in a very privileged family and traveled the world growing up. All are now professional geisha type women. Their personalities are exceedingly different, as is they level of back stabbing or fake smiles.

Not every HDH is a stuck up bitch, nor is every AMP worker a Pretty Woman type. Thus I think your original post was far to simplistic.
 
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Srhsrh said:
Well right after I said I dont prejudge people, i'll break my rule and give you a short (semi-serious) list of girls that I would avoid quicker than I would avoid a spa girl as a marriage prospect. this is based on my 40 years of adult single life dating girls and trying to assess quickly whether they are worth spending time on. I'd avoid:

1. She has one of those little dogs, and she brings it everywhere with her in a hand bag, including on first dates. You're always going to be in second place.

2. she lives alone, and has more than 2 cats. enough said.

3. Divorce lawyers. they absolutely cant tell the truth.

4. lots of makeup, very long nails, and that nail art stuff. she'll never use her hands for anything, whether its cleaning the house, or providing you with a PM.

5. she's posting photos of your first date dinner on instagram during dinner. you cant eat your meal before she photos it. Her life is virtual, she'll never deal in reality.

So yes, I'd take my chances on a spa girl, before many of the girls i've met outside the spa. And I agree with the comment that the spa girls are just as damaged, as the customers that see them.

But I also have never seen this as such a bad thing that everyone in this business is eternally dammed. There's much worse crimes than providing a little pleasure and entertainment.
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It sounds to me like you are just very much into spa girls because perhaps you see them often. Not sure, however yes much worse people.

However why compare them to bad options. Compare them to good options and see how they stack up.
 
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kgmspa said:
Do you want a massage girl to love you from her heart or just provide great service?
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And to think, OP asked a heart or service question. This thread has gone off the track onto another. I want a good massage, a good release and if she at least likes me as a repeat and consistent customer, then all points are covered, it’s win win.
 
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TGBeldin said:
Not every HDH is a stuck up bitch, nor is every AMP worker a Pretty Woman type. Thus I think your original post was far to simplistic.
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I concede your point.

To shift the conversation - outside of the occasional Pornstar, I've never come across a pro who has an hourly rate of 2K, but I'm definitely curious to find out what would warrant it. Care to share the intel?
 
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Zzzz said:
You are either intentionally ignoring or (maybe) oblivious to the fact that experience has an impact on emotional and psychological well-being.
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Each has their own tolerance, for the most part you are not dealing with weak minded ladies here. The most disturbing thing they deal with is the the never ending line of unoriginal johns, who on a whole are cut from the same stinky tofu, but believe that they are the reason she came to work.
 
PurpleRayne33

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Srhsrh said:
Well right after I said I dont prejudge people, i'll break my rule and give you a short (semi-serious) list of girls that I would avoid quicker than I would avoid a spa girl as a marriage prospect. this is based on my 40 years of adult single life dating girls and trying to assess quickly whether they are worth spending time on. I'd avoid:

4. lots of makeup, very long nails, and that nail art stuff. she'll never use her hands for anything, whether its cleaning the house, or providing you with a PM.
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Maybe she can give you a PM with her big toe, that'd be like a 2-for-1 fetish right there.
 
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Koujiao said:
Each has their own tolerance, for the most part you are not dealing with weak minded ladies here. The most disturbing thing they deal with is the the never ending line of unoriginal johns, who on a whole are cut from the same stinky tofu, but believe that they are the reason she came to work.
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Lol

No doubt

For that alone, they deserve more
 
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