Would you rate yourself and be honest?

[Rombulous]

I've been doing P4P since I was 20.
It's all I've ever had.
It's all I know.
I am lucky that I chose a field that pays well and allows me to afford to do what I do.

I disagree with you on looks because I see how attractive females look and and treat handsome guys.
Their eyes are different and the tones of their voices change. They put their hands on them casually.
They are very obviously letting them know that they are available to them.
Since you are an 8/10 perhaps you're so used to this that you don't realize it.
But for me, on the outside looking in, it is very obvious and very noticeable. Looks cannot be overcome with an upper middle class income and net worth.
It takes an 8 figure net worth to do that, and that is beyond the reach of most guys, including me.

Please look up Old Dirty Bastard the Wu-Tang rapper.

He had something like 10 baby mommas and Wu-Tang was not even that famous at the time. He was a low time uneducated derelict making six figures at best illicitly and shorter than average.

I regularly clock Men who are shorter, fatter, older and visibly poorer (teeth jacked up, even low key rich guys won't let their teeth go like this) walking with significantly more attractive Women.

Women are not logical. If they were, they would all be concubines to the most attractive and successful Men. The reality is that most want something they will never be able to obtain.

Think on this: Why do Professional athletes never seem to get young high career powered Women pregnant? It's always some bum idiot hood rat chick with 10/10 in looks...

That is because young attractive successful Women today want to DOMINATE the relationship and be in control. These Women often marry Men who are inferior in terms of physical genetics and facial attractiveness. Because they want CONTROL over his options.

If anything, being handsome today LIMITS your options.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

I regularly clock Men who are shorter, fatter, older and visibly poorer (teeth jacked up, even low key rich guys won't let their teeth go like this) walking with significantly more attractive Women.

I really never see anything like that.
I work in midtown Manhattan, and the hot girls are usually walking with handsome men with mesomorphic builds.
Regular looking guys and ugly guys are usually with either Plain Janes or fat/ugly women.
Just going by what I observe. I see the same things in bars and restaurants.

 

[Rombulous]

I really never see anything like that.
I work in midtown Manhattan, and the hot girls are usually walking with handsome men with mesomorphic builds.
Regular looking guys and ugly guys are usually with either Plain Janes or fat/ugly women.
Just going by what I observe. I see the same things in bars and restaurants.

Midtown maybe, but try other areas. Williamsburg, Astoria, LES.

 

[Hallow]

8/10

But trust me looks don't really matter for Men at the end of the day. In fact Women are intimidated and highly insecure when you are better looking. They act crazy and bi-polar at worst, and play indifferent at best.

They are constantly giving you the third degree, and trying to understand how much competition they have and whether it's worth the risk to their fragile egos to continue to deal with you.

They are constantly testing your mettle and trying to use various psychological techniques to gain the upper hand and manipulate you and the "situationship".

They crave to have control and first rights of refusal and gain power to reject you before you have a chance to break them emotionally.

When you are the trifecta: Tall, Handsome and Successful you would think Women would simply fall into one's lap hobby or not. Could not be further from the reality.

They are in disbelief you exist and are constantly searching for flaws rather than enjoying your presence.

We live in a Beyonce Strong Independent Lemonade Queen society now. Women want to be more aggressive, richer, physically stronger and mentally tougher than Men.

Unfortunately they lack a critical component to actually enjoy the Male experience:

Testosterone.

Today's Women don't care about a Man's looks. They care about CONTROLLING a High value Man and dominating him completely. If you are a Leo or Tyson Beckford but can NOT be manipulated or controlled you are useless to her.

This goes for the ugliest sewer rat Shelly all the way up to Celebrity/Model level, with a few exceptions roaming around in the countryside.

I like to know why so

I've been doing P4P since I was 20.
It's all I've ever had.
It's all I know.
I am lucky that I chose a field that pays well and allows me to afford to do what I do.

I disagree with you on looks because I see how attractive females look and and treat handsome guys.
Their eyes are different and the tones of their voices change. They put their hands on them casually.
They are very obviously letting them know that they are available to them.
Since you are an 8/10 perhaps you're so used to this that you don't realize it.
But for me, on the outside looking in, it is very obvious and very noticeable. Looks cannot be overcome with an upper middle class income and net worth.
It takes an 8 figure net worth to do that, and that is beyond the reach of most guys, including me.

I've been doing P4P since I was 20.
It's all I've ever had.
It's all I know.
I am lucky that I chose a field that pays well and allows me to afford to do what I do.

I disagree with you on looks because I see how attractive females look and and treat handsome guys.
Their eyes are different and the tones of their voices change. They put their hands on them casually.
They are very obviously letting them know that they are available to them.
Since you are an 8/10 perhaps you're so used to this that you don't realize it.
But for me, on the outside looking in, it is very obvious and very noticeable. Looks cannot be overcome with an upper middle class income and net worth.
It takes an 8 figure net worth to do that, and that is beyond the reach of most guys, including me.

Good looking guys still need money but agree with you get that first smile always from a woman.Providers have told me the really like light eye customers as I have brown eyes.I rather be good looking, light eyes than have a 8 inch cock.

 

[Rombulous]

I like to know why so


Good looking guys still need money but agree with you get that first smile always from a woman.Providers have told me the really like light eye customers as I have brown eyes.I rather be good looking, light eyes than have a 8 inch cock.

Correct. A big dick is only important to most Women a handful of times per year when they are in extreme heat and hormones out of whack. The other 95 times a visibly wealthy Man who has a semi-decent face will be preferred above all else. They will pick the dude who wines and dines her and has a silver tongue over the young brute with muscles and 90 degree angles jaw line that just wants to rough up her punani

 

[Levin79]

I've been doing P4P since I was 20.
It's all I've ever had.
It's all I know.
I am lucky that I chose a field that pays well and allows me to afford to do what I do.

I disagree with you on looks because I see how attractive females look and and treat handsome guys.
Their eyes are different and the tones of their voices change. They put their hands on them casually.
They are very obviously letting them know that they are available to them.
Since you are an 8/10 perhaps you're so used to this that you don't realize it.
But for me, on the outside looking in, it is very obvious and very noticeable. Looks cannot be overcome with an upper middle class income and net worth.
It takes an 8 figure net worth to do that, and that is beyond the reach of most guys, includ

I've been doing P4P since I was 20.
It's all I've ever had.
It's all I know.
I am lucky that I chose a field that pays well and allows me to afford to do what I do.

I disagree with you on looks because I see how attractive females look and and treat handsome guys.
Their eyes are different and the tones of their voices change. They put their hands on them casually.
They are very obviously letting them know that they are available to them.
Since you are an 8/10 perhaps you're so used to this that you don't realize it.
But for me, on the outside looking in, it is very obvious and very noticeable. Looks cannot be overcome with an upper middle class income and net worth.
It takes an 8 figure net worth to do that, and that is beyond the reach of most guys, including me.

. Are you stating you have never dated a non-professional?You’re correct being nice looking will intrigued a woman more for sure in the non- pro world.In the AMP world the providers enjoy a nicer looking male but want those Franklins first.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Are you stating you have never dated a non-professional? You’re correct being nice looking will intrigued a woman more for sure in the non- pro world.In the AMP world the providers enjoy a nicer looking male but want those Franklins first.

Yes. That is correct.
I have never been with a non-professional.

 

[doofu77]

One thing you have to remember Western and eastern standards are different. If anyone has been to Asia before they should know what its like.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

One thing you have to remember Western and eastern standards are different. If anyone has been to Asia before they should know what its like.

I agree.
Asian girls seem to like me more than Americans.
But I think it is because they appreciate my politeness, not anything to do with looks.

 

[Uniquelyme]

Please look up Old Dirty Bastard the Wu-Tang rapper.

He had something like 10 baby mommas and Wu-Tang was not even that famous at the time. He was a low time uneducated derelict making six figures at best illicitly and shorter than average.

I regularly clock Men who are shorter, fatter, older and visibly poorer (teeth jacked up, even low key rich guys won't let their teeth go like this) walking with significantly more attractive Women.

Women are not logical. If they were, they would all be concubines to the most attractive and successful Men. The reality is that most want something they will never be able to obtain.

Think on this: Why do Professional athletes never seem to get young high career powered Women pregnant? It's always some bum idiot hood rat chick with 10/10 in looks...

That is because young attractive successful Women today want to DOMINATE the relationship and be in control. These Women often marry Men who are inferior in terms of physical genetics and facial attractiveness. Because they want CONTROL over his options.

If anything, being handsome today LIMITS your options.

I gotta disagree with most of your posts on this subject. When you say Women of today. Do you mean 18-25yr Olds?? What demographics.

Women react differently to an attractive Man. Even if they try not to. They look with their eyes more discreetly than Men ever can. They are more touchy. They are quicker to laugh. Now if the attractive Man has nothing really else going for him then yes it will be hard for him to get further with her or her to at least take him seriously. But she might be down to fuck em.

Women just like Men want most boxes checked. Attractive is on there however it isn't usually toward the top. The younger girls though it's higher up for them than the 30+ yr Olds and older.

Attraction gets you a shot. It helps you out when you fuck up. She thinks ya know i dont think he meant anything bad by it. Whereas an unattractive Man has less chances and has to be more on point.

Attraction is what gets you thst dance on the dance floor when she says no to others. It get you heard and noticed. Then that's where your confidence, wit, charm go into play.

Make a Woman feel comfortable, sexy, pretty, appreciated and she will be happy and she won't want to not see you again cause of how you make her feel. I've had girls fall deep in love with me. I've had them do things that they later say I can't believe I did that. Women want to be in love. They want to brag to their friends. They got that Man the one who knows what to say. When to know she's mad or sad or what he did wrong. The one who makes her laugh who makes her feel pretty and loved who doesn't judge her harshly. The one she wants to fuck and make cum often cause she doesn't want him fucking other Women.

Women know the Men who have options. They can tell how girls react toward you. How you speak etc.

I've had girls be interested in me before I was interested in them when I was 12 or so. Up until 19 or so the girls had no problem approaching guys then it changes. Then you gotta shoot your shot.

I'm a 7.5 by the way. But I'm a 8.5 personality and I listen to a Woman and that shit gets them open af.

 

[Levin79]

Yes. That is correct.
I have never been with a non-professional.

Oh,sorry and understandable why you see tall, g

Yes. That is correct.
I have never been with a non-professional.

Are you shy, short or heavy?Not every woman alive cares about looks some like persona.

 

[TGBeldin]

What you are saying, and I agree with, is that the good looking guy gets the FIRST opportunity. If they have the other good traits (some do, many do not) then she doesn't stay available. But if he doesn't then the other guys get their chances.

The rich, funny, polite, intelligent, good looking total package does get the best options--but there are very few of those guys.

Looks only get you in the vestibule. Which is one reason I have had a lot of OTC success with professionals--the first fee gets me in the vestibule just as well with them. After that the other things can be put to good use.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Oh,sorry and understandable why you see tall, g

Are you shy, short or heavy?Not every woman alive cares about looks some like persona.

I'm 6'1", 175/180, and I work out regularly.
Females have NEVER shown attraction towards me. Not one milligram.
I believe it is do to several genetic factors.
Mostly being born with an ectomorphic body type and not having a square jaw and chiseled facial features.
If I wanted to have a traditional relationship, I would have to relegate myself to dating 3s/4s/5s (5 would be pushing it) and, at this point in my life, women over 40.
There is no way I will do that.

 

[Maple Garden]

8/10

But trust me looks don't really matter for Men at the end of the day. In fact Women are intimidated and highly insecure when you are better looking. They act crazy and bi-polar at worst, and play indifferent at best.

They are constantly giving you the third degree, and trying to understand how much competition they have and whether it's worth the risk to their fragile egos to continue to deal with you.

They are constantly testing your mettle and trying to use various psychological techniques to gain the upper hand and manipulate you and the "situationship".

They crave to have control and first rights of refusal and gain power to reject you before you have a chance to break them emotionally.

When you are the trifecta: Tall, Handsome and Successful you would think Women would simply fall into one's lap hobby or not. Could not be further from the reality.

They are in disbelief you exist and are constantly searching for flaws rather than enjoying your presence.

We live in a Beyonce Strong Independent Lemonade Queen society now. Women want to be more aggressive, richer, physically stronger and mentally tougher than Men.

Unfortunately they lack a critical component to actually enjoy the Male experience:

Testosterone.

Today's Women don't care about a Man's looks. They care about CONTROLLING a High value Man and dominating him completely. If you are a Leo or Tyson Beckford but can NOT be manipulated or controlled you are useless to her.

This goes for the ugliest sewer rat Shelly all the way up to Celebrity/Model level, with a few exceptions roaming around in the countryside.

Enlightening read.

“They crave to have control and first rights of refusal and gain power to reject you before you have a chance to break them emotionally.” Seen this a few times along with much of the other you mentioned.

The following article is also fascinating, if not sickening.


YOU‘RE MY PET

What young, educated Chinese women want in a man today: a clingy “little puppy”

https://qz.com/1287606/introducing-little-puppies-the-ideal-boyfriend-type-for-chinas-young-women/

“In China, “little puppy,” or 小奶狗 (xiǎo nǎigǒu), refers to a man who is younger than his girlfriend, whose qualities in the eyes of his lover include being simple, naive, considerate, and caring—and most importantly, loyal and clingy, just like a pet. The rise of little puppies as an ideal type of boyfriend points toward a shift in popular culture in the country, where young women are increasingly defying traditional attitudes toward romance.”

The whole article is like this.

 

[Rombulous]

Enlightening read.

“They crave to have control and first rights of refusal and gain power to reject you before you have a chance to break them emotionally.” Seen this a few times along with much of the other you mentioned.

The following article is also fascinating, if not sickening.


YOU‘RE MY PET

What young, educated Chinese women want in a man today: a clingy “little puppy”

https://qz.com/1287606/introducing-little-puppies-the-ideal-boyfriend-type-for-chinas-young-women/

“In China, “little puppy,” or 小奶狗 (xiǎo nǎigǒu), refers to a man who is younger than his girlfriend, whose qualities in the eyes of his lover include being simple, naive, considerate, and caring—and most importantly, loyal and clingy, just like a pet. The rise of little puppies as an ideal type of boyfriend points toward a shift in popular culture in the country, where young women are increasingly defying traditional attitudes toward romance.”

The whole article is like this.

They want to be a powerful "Madame", not a submissive wife. You can thank the warped communist ideals for this. All confucian values are out the window. Young Chinese Women today in major cities are almost as bad as Western Women now

 

[Levin79]

I gotta disagree with most of your posts on this subject. When you say Women of today. Do you mean 18-25yr Olds?? What demographics.

Women react differently to an attractive Man. Even if they try not to. They look with their eyes more discreetly than Men ever can. They are more touchy. They are quicker to laugh. Now if the attractive Man has nothing really else going for him then yes it will be hard for him to get further with her or her to at least take him seriously. But she might be down to fuck em.

Women just like Men want most boxes checked. Attractive is on there however it isn't usually toward the top. The younger girls though it's higher up for them than the 30+ yr Olds and older.

Attraction gets you a shot. It helps you out when you fuck up. She thinks ya know i dont think he meant anything bad by it. Whereas an unattractive Man has less chances and has to be more on point.

Attraction is what gets you thst dance on the dance floor when she says no to others. It get you heard and noticed. Then that's where your confidence, wit, charm go into play.

Make a Woman feel comfortable, sexy, pretty, appreciated and she will be

I'm 6'1", 175/180, and I work out regularly.
Females have NEVER shown attraction towards me. Not one milligram.
I believe it is do to several genetic factors.
Mostly being born with an ectomorphic body type and not having a square jaw and chiseled facial features.
If I wanted to have a traditional relationship, I would have to relegate myself to dating 3s/4s/5s (5 would be pushing it) and, at this point in my life, women over 40.
There is no way I will do that.

I find it hard to believe ( not doubting you) no women especially foreign and Latin never made a play on you.Short girls love tall guys.

 

[Levin79]

They want to be a powerful "Madame", not a submissive wife. You can thank the warped communist ideals for this. All confucian values are out the window. Young Chinese Women today in major cities are almost as bad as Western Women now

Now this is true.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

I find it hard to believe ( not doubting you) no women especially foreign and Latin never made a play on you.Short girls love tall guys.

They love tall guys with faces like Brad Pitt.

I am not lying.
Not only have I never had a girlfriend, I've never been on a free date.
Yes, I have had disastrous "relationships" with escorts who left the business to be with me, but I was still paying them to be my "girlfriend".
So I do not count that.
BTW, I don't do that anymore. That phase of my is over. No more Captain Save-a-ho.

 

[Uniquelyme]

They love tall guys with faces like Brad Pitt.

I am not lying.
Not only have I never had a girlfriend, I've never been on a free date.
Yes, I have had disastrous "relationships" with escorts who left the business to be with me, but I was still paying them to be my "girlfriend".
So I do not count that.
BTW, I don't do that anymore. That phase of my is over. No more Captain Save-a-ho.

The fact you have been in this pay for play for so long may have skewed your viewpoint and you may think no Women are out there looking for regular guys who are successful, that's not true.

I will agree if you aren't that attractive it will be harder to score a 7 or even 8 though. But you put in work it could happen. Especially a 7.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

The fact you have been in this pay for play for so long may have skewed your viewpoint and you may think no Women are out there looking for regular guys who are successful, that's not true.

I will agree if you aren't that attractive it will be harder to score a 7 or even 8 though. But you put in work it could happen. Especially a 7.

Yes, I am sure my long history plays into my perceptions on these issues to a point.
Meh...I am resigned to what lies ahead for me.
I like to vent about the past sometimes, but I know what my future holds and I accept it.