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Wondering what exactly PSE implies

Juanjr650

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#61
That's the thing though, it's not uniquely Bay Area thing, its a K-AAMP thing. I'm not sure why some people are trying to pretend that we're some special snowflake.

https://topangels.ch/all-angels/
https://usbodyshop.us/product/sexy/
https://bubblesgirlsnyc.com/bubblesgirl-jamie/

None of these are from the bay area. AAMP also aren't AMPs other than in name. They are completely the same as any agency-run escort business, just better run with greater service and value. When's the last time you had a massage and negotiate the same way as you do in AMPs?

Trying to claim the K-AAMP model is a uniquely Bay Area thing is just.. weird? This forum has been accommodating reports from PD, Adultsearch, Indies, Latin/Russian orgs, etc. the Bay Area scene is much bigger than K-AAMP. There's only 3 people in this thread insisting the K-AAMP definition is the only BA definition, two of them unreasonably strongly so.
Damn you are really dumb. We are in the East Bay section which is in the bay area talking about the meaning of PSE. And I am specifically mentioning the meaning of PSE in relation to KAAMP to the OP. And people are talking about indies and some random experiences with random hookers. Get a clue dumb ass. We aren't in a general discussion section of an online message board. We in a very specific sub section. Are you really this stupid?
 

Juanjr650

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#62
That's the thing though, it's not uniquely Bay Area thing, its a K-AAMP thing. I'm not sure why some people are trying to pretend that we're some special snowflake.

https://topangels.ch/all-angels/
https://usbodyshop.us/product/sexy/
https://bubblesgirlsnyc.com/bubblesgirl-jamie/

None of these are from the bay area. AAMP also aren't AMPs other than in name. They are completely the same as any agency-run escort business, just better run with greater service and value. When's the last time you had a massage and negotiate the same way as you do in AMPs?

Trying to claim the K-AAMP model is a uniquely Bay Area thing is just.. weird? This forum has been accommodating reports from PD, Adultsearch, Indies, Latin/Russian orgs, etc. the Bay Area scene is much bigger than K-AAMP. There's only 3 people in this thread insisting the K-AAMP definition is the only BA definition, two of them unreasonably strongly so.
Even more annoying this message board was dead and no one posted on it the moment they took away KAAMP discussions. Which is why it's so relevant to the OP original post. Yet people keep insisting on a more general meaning of PSE, you are all really clueless.
 

sexyloser

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Even more annoying this message board was dead and no one posted on it the moment they took away KAAMP discussions. Which is why it's so relevant to the OP original post. Yet people keep insisting on a more general meaning of PSE, you are all really clueless.
1) Read the actual original post. Where does Scooby66's post specify his question was specifically about K-AAMPs?

2) All of the responses were very reasonable given the way Scooby66 phrased his question, and everyone was contributing their perspectives while highlighting the background and expanding on when or why it means different things. You jumped in and escalated the conversation with hostility for some reason.

3) I already acknowledged that your posts have been consistently specifying K-AAMPs (whereas KeepOnKeepinOn does not), but why are you so hostile and triggered? Not a single person on this entire thread is contending against your point that for K-AAMP PSE = BBFS, yet you keep arguing as if people are trying disprove you.

4) East Bay or not, K-AAMP is still not the only scene in East Bay or the Bay Area in general. The most popular K-AAMP's aren't even in the East Bay, so I don't get the point in you first of two messages here either.
 

Dino88

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Can we please stop annoying sexyloser, who has been patient, detailed, and pretty respectful? I don't want to see people who are sharing knowledge in good faith and constructive intent subjected to derogatory comments, even if you disagree. After the rAMPage fiasco don't let's make our new mod (who is great) conclude rAMPage was right about this community. Sexyloser, my advice is to let this thread die a natural death before it costs you any more time, we get it, you don't need to defend yourself unless you actually enjoy it.
 

Scooby66

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Can we please stop annoying sexyloser, who has been patient, detailed, and pretty respectful? I don't want to see people who are sharing knowledge in good faith and constructive intent subjected to derogatory comments, even if you disagree. After the rAMPage fiasco don't let's make our new mod (who is great) conclude rAMPage was right about this community. Sexyloser, my advice is to let this thread die a natural death before it costs you any more time, we get it, you don't need to defend yourself unless you actually enjoy it.
Amen
 

KeepOnKeepinOn

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Can we please stop annoying sexyloser, who has been patient, detailed, and pretty respectful? I don't want to see people who are sharing knowledge in good faith and constructive intent subjected to derogatory comments, even if you disagree. After the rAMPage fiasco don't let's make our new mod (who is great) conclude rAMPage was right about this community. Sexyloser, my advice is to let this thread die a natural death before it costs you any more time, we get it, you don't need to defend yourself unless you actually enjoy it.
Heres the thing. His long winded novellas are not helpful and only cause more confusion. This board primarily consists of reviews of kOrgs. In the korg world PSE generally means BBFS. Hes also not trying to be helpful. Hes trying to garner clout as if hes some sort of guru, which quite frankly hes not. You may find him as being "pretty respectful" while others find him pretentious and smug.
 

sexyloser

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Heres the thing. His long winded novellas are not helpful and only cause more confusion. This board primarily consists of reviews of kOrgs. In the korg world PSE generally means BBFS. Hes also not trying to be helpful. Hes trying to garner clout as if hes some sort of guru, which quite frankly hes not. You may find him as being "pretty respectful" while others find him pretentious and smug.
You really don't get the irony in your accusations even when quoted back at you do you? The only arguably long message I wrote here is in my first response, which is roughly 3 paragraphs equivalent. You keep accusing me for longwinded when you type far more in your messages arguing against me.

As for the "This board primarily consists of reviews of K-orgs" claim, judging from thread titles only:

San Francisco: 25/77 K-AAMP reviews (counting back to past month only, excluding announcements etc.)
South Bay: 48/79 K-AAMP reviews
East Bay: 15/49 K-AAMP reviews

If you're happy with K-Orgs that's good for you! What's it to you trying to invalidate the rest of the Bay Area scene that's roughly equal in size?
 

AGAR1986

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#69
Not accurate. PSE means BBFS at least in AAMP land
Perhaps in AAMP
I’ve seen providers who offered it and 99% of them were never bbfs. I guess it just depends on the girl but in strictly speaking from my experiences, not TELLING anyone how it should be or act like an expert.

Like gfe doesn’t mean automatic bbbj. It varies by the girl
But that’s also my experience
 

KeepOnKeepinOn

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You really don't get the irony in your accusations even when quoted back at you do you? The only arguably long message I wrote here is in my first response, which is roughly 3 paragraphs equivalent. You keep accusing me for longwinded when you type far more in your messages arguing against me.

As for the "This board primarily consists of reviews of K-orgs" claim, judging from thread titles only:

San Francisco: 25/77 K-AAMP reviews (counting back to past month only, excluding announcements etc.)
South Bay: 48/79 K-AAMP reviews
East Bay: 15/49 K-AAMP reviews

If you're happy with K-Orgs that's good for you! What's it to you trying to invalidate the rest of the Bay Area scene that's roughly equal in size?
I already told you you are right about everything within the universe. Youre right. All hail the Loser who thinks hes sexy and has spent 5 figures this year.

Pse still means BBFS.
 

hhnyc77

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I'll chime in here as both a long-time, veteran hobbyist (over 20 years), as well as my perspective as a mod here on the entire, national board (over 3 years)...

The term "PSE" is different things to different people. Just like GFE means different things to different people...ask hobbyists what that means, and you might get 3 or 4 or more different answers. Ask an agency or a provider the same question, and same thing...you might get a number of different answers. Same for PSE.

So like some of the guys have said, it's important to consider context when discussing those two terms. I have seen and read and approved and rejected all manners of reviews where a reviewer's intended use of PSE meant BBFS, and I have seen reviews where the writer intended PSE to be literally that...a porn star experience type of session, which may or may not include BBFS.

And while not universal to the SF area based KMPs, my experience has been that the vast majority of agencies mean BBFS when they list PSE on their websites. Some even explicit even say BBFS (and CIP, etc.). More and more NYC based CMPs are doing the same. But again, it's not at all universal nor consistent.

The "traditional" definition of GFE were things you would do with your girlfriend, which implied intimacy and its related activities such as DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and done in a manner that doesn't "feel" transactional. There are lots of couples who use a bag as birth control, so GFE does not necessarily mean BBFS.

PSE typically meant what you would typically see in a porn scene...energetic, wild, animal-in-heat type coitus that involves activities associated with GFE and adds things like COF (money shot), Greek, consensual spanking, light choking, gagging, crazy contorted positions, etc. And while most porn scenes are BBFS, PSE by itself, does not necessarily imply BBFS.

With that being said, every member who has chimed in in this thread is right in their own way. There are organizations and agencies and indies and hobbyists that define PSE as BBFS. There are just as many that don't. It depends on context, geographical area, standard operating procedures, type of provider/establishment, etc.

There is no easy solution...just like guys STILL use silly codes for donation amounts, instead of just listing the actual dollar amount, you can tell someone something over and over, but guys will still do it. Maybe out of habit or defiance or whatever reason. So it's important to define and clarify what actual activities took place when writing a review, since broad, universal, generic terms like GFE or PSE is NOT specific enough to come to a conclusion at times.
 
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