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Will the virus cause you to keep away from spas?
- Thread starter Hallow
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Some restaurants in Chinatown have seen business go down 25-50%.
https://www.grubstreet.com/2020/02/chinatown-restaurants-suffering-amid-coronavirus-fears.html
https://www.grubstreet.com/2020/02/chinatown-restaurants-suffering-amid-coronavirus-fears.html
The odds of catching the coronavirus at an Asian based spa is not the rewards one gets from a visit. According to the CDC a person can be infected and not even show any symptoms, yet, pass the disease to those to whom they come in contact.
How can one be sure a provider did not go back to China to visit family and friends in December, contract the disease, come back to the United States in mid to late January and start up work again seeing 5-6 customers a day spreading the disease to co-workers and clientele, who then visit OTHER AMPS for variety and spread it to THAT place of establishment and so on and so on.
I am staying away from all activities until summertime when this has run its course. Bad news is many AMPS who pay local LE protection money will not be able to pay due to the business decline and run the risk of either getting busted or simply going out of business.
If too many Spas go belly up, when things quiet down the pent up demand and shortage of AMPs could result in higher prices.
How can one be sure a provider did not go back to China to visit family and friends in December, contract the disease, come back to the United States in mid to late January and start up work again seeing 5-6 customers a day spreading the disease to co-workers and clientele, who then visit OTHER AMPS for variety and spread it to THAT place of establishment and so on and so on.
I am staying away from all activities until summertime when this has run its course. Bad news is many AMPS who pay local LE protection money will not be able to pay due to the business decline and run the risk of either getting busted or simply going out of business.
If too many Spas go belly up, when things quiet down the pent up demand and shortage of AMPs could result in higher prices.
That's not how asymptomatic works. If they had the virus to pass it on, then they would have developed symptoms after the two weeks incubation period.
If they didn't get sick after two weeks, then they don't have the virus. This is how the quarantine principle works.
If they did get sick, we would have checked for it. Same for anyone that they might have passed it to. So far, no reported cases.
If they didn't get sick after two weeks, then they don't have the virus. This is how the quarantine principle works.
If they did get sick, we would have checked for it. Same for anyone that they might have passed it to. So far, no reported cases.
You misread and misunderstood what I wrote. I said, they could have been infected and NOT shown any symptoms. That is a true statement, according to both the CDC and the WHO. What is also true is that they could have passed the virus on to people while they had the virus and did not know they were sick, as they were not even exhibiting any symptoms.
If you watched the head of the CDC the other day, he said the symptoms vary from person to person. One person might get very sick and still another might just get a headache or a fever or a runny nose and not even know they have the virus.
If you watched the head of the CDC the other day, he said the symptoms vary from person to person. One person might get very sick and still another might just get a headache or a fever or a runny nose and not even know they have the virus.
No, I took your statement one step further. If they were infected back in December, we would have known about it because they would have started exhibiting symptoms once the incubation period is over. Given we have no reported cases now, chances are they were not infected when they went back. A two month incubation period is way over being an outlier.
Here's how the symptoms actually appear in people
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html
Kridenyc is factual in that there is ZERO chance that there is a person in the US spreading the virus who was in China in December and stateside in January.
I've said it in other threads, but you are more likely to catch the virus from a business traveler that visited one of the other 58 countries with the virus.
For example, are you avoiding Italian, Spanish and French restaurants because the virus is spreading through those countries? Or just Asian establishments?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html
Kridenyc is factual in that there is ZERO chance that there is a person in the US spreading the virus who was in China in December and stateside in January.
I've said it in other threads, but you are more likely to catch the virus from a business traveler that visited one of the other 58 countries with the virus.
For example, are you avoiding Italian, Spanish and French restaurants because the virus is spreading through those countries? Or just Asian establishments?
I stayed away from the Chinese places since the virus started in China, but now Korea is also hit and getting worse every day so I also stopped going to Korean shops. For those who like to compare the virus to flu, they are different. It attacks your lungs. It killed many young healthy people. Everyone's reaction to the virus is different, but before you are infected, you don't know how well or badly you would come out. So try to avoid it at any cost.
If you are young, you are way more likely to survive it than someone that is old. The young people that died, waited until their symptoms were severe and they had pneumonia and other compounded issues due to their delay in getting health care..
You may want to dig deeper into the CDC site for factual info:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/share-facts.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/related-stigma.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/index.html
You may want to dig deeper into the CDC site for factual info:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/share-facts.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/related-stigma.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/index.html
Really? Let's walk through the time line shall we?
Infection date: Dec. Let's make it easy and say 12/31/19.
Incubation period: two weeks. During which they would not show symptoms. After which, symptoms will appear.
She flies back to NYC fro China, and then starts infecting people. Say 1/2/20.
By 1/15 she would start showing symptoms.
By 1/23, the first wave of people she infected would start showing symptoms.
By 1/30, the people she first infected would have infected others, and they would start showing symptoms.
Math to today would be an exponential infection factor of at least 4.
Where are those cases? She would have been Patient Zero for a small outbreak.
Infection date: Dec. Let's make it easy and say 12/31/19.
Incubation period: two weeks. During which they would not show symptoms. After which, symptoms will appear.
She flies back to NYC fro China, and then starts infecting people. Say 1/2/20.
By 1/15 she would start showing symptoms.
By 1/23, the first wave of people she infected would start showing symptoms.
By 1/30, the people she first infected would have infected others, and they would start showing symptoms.
Math to today would be an exponential infection factor of at least 4.
Where are those cases? She would have been Patient Zero for a small outbreak.
The fault with your original argument is that she would have the disease and not develop symptoms all the way to today. The two possible options are:
1) She's a Typhoid Mary where she is just a carrier, but immune. Which has not been proven. And would not explain why none of the people she infected are also not showing symptoms.
2) She got really lucky and her incubation period was two months long, and she may just be starting to show symptoms. Again, as originially posted, that is too much of an outlier to happen. And the same argument would apply to the people she infected.
Or are you going to claim she, and the people she infected were all quietly gathered up by the Gov't to hid the fact the virus is already here?
1) She's a Typhoid Mary where she is just a carrier, but immune. Which has not been proven. And would not explain why none of the people she infected are also not showing symptoms.
2) She got really lucky and her incubation period was two months long, and she may just be starting to show symptoms. Again, as originially posted, that is too much of an outlier to happen. And the same argument would apply to the people she infected.
Or are you going to claim she, and the people she infected were all quietly gathered up by the Gov't to hid the fact the virus is already here?
Let gives you the benefit of the doubt and say she wasn't infected until late Jan when she was ready to return. It had to be before Feb 3, when travel restrictions were put in place. From late Jan to today is 4 weeks. That's still two weeks too long for anyone infected to not show symptoms. And even with reducing the infection exponential to just a factor of 3, that is still at least two waves of infections that should have started to show symptoms. As of today, no positive results found in NYC, so again, where are the cases? My original argument that because no positive cases has been recorded for NYC, it's not possible.
Not to mention for Broke FOB Asians most of them live together in small spaces in Flushing. Crowded cramped conditions and can be messy with food everywhere kids running around roaches rats and mice pots of old peanut oil lying around and 30 day old onions rotting etc (if this sounds very specific it is because unfortunately it's my direct hands on observation... A minimum of 33% of the average 45 year old Asian FOB lives like this. I have seen it first-hand) Many Fujianese are used to living in these deplorable chaotic conditions which is why they sneeze "Out loud" without covering their nose let the snot drip out on the street and some even blow their nose in the open air with no tissue then hock back the phlegm and cough out the projectile like a Ryu Hadouken.
Now as funny (or scary depending on your sense of humor) as this sounds it's not as bad as when I was a kid growing up in Flushing but those people are still around and now their prime working age adult children have better but still inferior hygiene.
Koreans in particular have known about the existence of "invisible pathogens" prior to having a microscope available. Japanese also understood that proximity to a sick person could spread disease and nobles and the emperor/Shogun were frequently quarantined from the public. Chinese for some reason took steps backwards after Confucius and believed that only imbalance in the body's energy system could cause illness. While somewhat true, they just didn't understand that there are pathogens so potent in nature that they can take down the healthiest 25 year olds with even excellent genetics. Human life in Chinese culture has been cheap a long time now and it shows in how they are OK living in slums and inhumane conditions and do not revolt. This is why disease can fester and spread so rapidly in China despite it being rapidly industrialized.
The PRC is so huge that there are surely enough leaks in networks that eventually a coup' de etat could be launched from within by sleeper cells. The problem is the Chinese don't care enough. They don't care about their own lives or families significantly enough to demand change. No sense of self. USA is "Me, Me, Me" but China is Gucci, Germs and "Guang Xi"....Jiping
Now as funny (or scary depending on your sense of humor) as this sounds it's not as bad as when I was a kid growing up in Flushing but those people are still around and now their prime working age adult children have better but still inferior hygiene.
Koreans in particular have known about the existence of "invisible pathogens" prior to having a microscope available. Japanese also understood that proximity to a sick person could spread disease and nobles and the emperor/Shogun were frequently quarantined from the public. Chinese for some reason took steps backwards after Confucius and believed that only imbalance in the body's energy system could cause illness. While somewhat true, they just didn't understand that there are pathogens so potent in nature that they can take down the healthiest 25 year olds with even excellent genetics. Human life in Chinese culture has been cheap a long time now and it shows in how they are OK living in slums and inhumane conditions and do not revolt. This is why disease can fester and spread so rapidly in China despite it being rapidly industrialized.
The PRC is so huge that there are surely enough leaks in networks that eventually a coup' de etat could be launched from within by sleeper cells. The problem is the Chinese don't care enough. They don't care about their own lives or families significantly enough to demand change. No sense of self. USA is "Me, Me, Me" but China is Gucci, Germs and "Guang Xi"....Jiping
My fears and paranoia are based on how poorly the government is handling this in my opinion. The entirety of the defense is "wash your hands, sneeze into your sleeve" so basically the same way we attack the common cold... a virus so common it literally has common in the title. That's how we're defending against a disease that is stopping international travel and shutting down schools.
My concern is less the virus and more how people will react to the virus and I'm seeing it already (poorly)
"IT IS DEFINATELY COMING!! WE CAN'T STOP IT!! IT WILL BE BAD!!! But hey don't worry you as an individual worry about it, I'm sure you'll be fine.
My concern is less the virus and more how people will react to the virus and I'm seeing it already (poorly)
- Oh it's not serious the people who died were old - so I guess that means it's okay they died.
- Less talk about what to do if you get it, more talk about how to treat others if they show symptoms (we're straight up telling people to treat them like they have the plague).
- Being told if you have it you will need to be quarantined, but no talk about what that actually means, how to prepare, what if you live with someone who is not sick, etc. etc. etc.
- No long term plan on what to do if school or place of work is shut down.
- No long term plan on what to do if your child's school is shut down and you need to get daycare while you're at work.
"IT IS DEFINATELY COMING!! WE CAN'T STOP IT!! IT WILL BE BAD!!! But hey don't worry you as an individual worry about it, I'm sure you'll be fine.