Does anyone no anything about this site. I was texted by a org for Verification. I have been off the scene for awhile. So forgive me for my ignorance if this has already been dicussed.
urcleared.com
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urcleared.com
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urcleared.com
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Recently an org I’ve wanted to see so badly has finally replied to my text and directed me towards urcleared. I was already nervous about providing paystubs to other orgs. With the other orgs, I can atleast black out most of the information but urcleared wants the full driver’s license. It has me rethinking how badly do I want to join this unsaid org.
Why does an org trust "urcleared" a random site? Well, because it isn't random. It is run by the org or someone in a close relationship with the org.
They have done this "one level of abstraction" for two purposes.
1. Gives the illusion to clients that it is safer because it appears to be an independent third party.
2. Allows them to operate independently of the org - in case the org goes under or changes name. And so they can sell their service to other orgs.
They have done this "one level of abstraction" for two purposes.
1. Gives the illusion to clients that it is safer because it appears to be an independent third party.
2. Allows them to operate independently of the org - in case the org goes under or changes name. And so they can sell their service to other orgs.
You know, I will probably agree with you.
The domain for urcleared was registered in December 2020 and in Feb 2021 we already have a report of the only (as far as I know) org that asks for urcleared, asking for it.
The site is built using a simple WordPress template. It doesn't really have any functionality besides a form you can fill out.
So yeah, I think it fairly safe to assume someone close to the org in question is managing this site and all info goes to the org brass
The domain for urcleared was registered in December 2020 and in Feb 2021 we already have a report of the only (as far as I know) org that asks for urcleared, asking for it.
The site is built using a simple WordPress template. It doesn't really have any functionality besides a form you can fill out.
So yeah, I think it fairly safe to assume someone close to the org in question is managing this site and all info goes to the org brass
Good analysis darkwingbuck and augie.ezel. I have been discussing issue with another monger.
Does urcleared charge the org for their service? If no money stream can be identified, it supports that they are owned by BGC.
This suggests urcleared.com might be a way for BGC to limit business liability. If urcleared got hacked, its not BGC's screw up. Even if BGC got hacked, they could blame urcleared. Or, if a bad monger slips thru screening, it's urcleared's fault and not BGC's.
Because an org who gets hacked and spills their monger list would probably need to shutdown. And, if an org screening qualification process fails, and a provider gets hurt in big way, besides drawing LE investigation, it can make it difficult to recruit and keep providers, also maybe leading to org shutdown. So, it's better to blame a third party for these failures.
Even if urcleared.com is independent and charging for service, what are you going to do if they get hacked or their monger screening fails? Sue them?
Keep in mind, the mongers who pony up the docs are probably 98% less likely to violate providers. So, in theory UR cleared doesn't need to run any innovative algorithm except catching fraudulent docs and info which usually requires access to a database with real info. (This is outside my area of expertise.)
How would urcleared.com know how effective their algorithm is in screening out bad mongers vs falsely screening out good ones?
Finally, urcleared.com seems a better hacking candidate since it probably has online administration access. While PO's setup ideally has no online administration access to monger list or text history other than phone number text input.
Does urcleared charge the org for their service? If no money stream can be identified, it supports that they are owned by BGC.
This suggests urcleared.com might be a way for BGC to limit business liability. If urcleared got hacked, its not BGC's screw up. Even if BGC got hacked, they could blame urcleared. Or, if a bad monger slips thru screening, it's urcleared's fault and not BGC's.
Because an org who gets hacked and spills their monger list would probably need to shutdown. And, if an org screening qualification process fails, and a provider gets hurt in big way, besides drawing LE investigation, it can make it difficult to recruit and keep providers, also maybe leading to org shutdown. So, it's better to blame a third party for these failures.
Even if urcleared.com is independent and charging for service, what are you going to do if they get hacked or their monger screening fails? Sue them?
Keep in mind, the mongers who pony up the docs are probably 98% less likely to violate providers. So, in theory UR cleared doesn't need to run any innovative algorithm except catching fraudulent docs and info which usually requires access to a database with real info. (This is outside my area of expertise.)
How would urcleared.com know how effective their algorithm is in screening out bad mongers vs falsely screening out good ones?
Finally, urcleared.com seems a better hacking candidate since it probably has online administration access. While PO's setup ideally has no online administration access to monger list or text history other than phone number text input.
I think you're overthinking it.
This site was made by someone related to the org. They didn't even bother dressing it up as legitimate. I mean, the only email address shown on this website, that is used by this "company", is "urclearedxoxo@gmail.com". Hardly something that a company of any sort would do.
I believe there is no hacking database because most likely there is no database. Maintaining a database is costly. Whoever made this site didn't even bother to get a real email Addy.
The only thing you can do on that website is to submit a form. I didnt test it out, but likely the script that accepts a post request with the form data will send the input to whatever email address they want. My understanding is that once you do the initial submit, you get an email back asking what exactly you need to provide, via email.
Ie, it's all just a facade.
This site was made by someone related to the org. They didn't even bother dressing it up as legitimate. I mean, the only email address shown on this website, that is used by this "company", is "urclearedxoxo@gmail.com". Hardly something that a company of any sort would do.
I believe there is no hacking database because most likely there is no database. Maintaining a database is costly. Whoever made this site didn't even bother to get a real email Addy.
The only thing you can do on that website is to submit a form. I didnt test it out, but likely the script that accepts a post request with the form data will send the input to whatever email address they want. My understanding is that once you do the initial submit, you get an email back asking what exactly you need to provide, via email.
Ie, it's all just a facade.
darkwingbuck
It's pretty bold to suggest urcleared.com is just a facade which I agree seems likely. But you are more expert than me.
It's better to over think, than under think. It's a technique I use to get info out of more knowlegable guys like you by irritating you, and it seemed to work.
And, you gave us some useful input, good evidence the site is a fraud, that the email address is probably just a forwarding email. Also, that there is probably no urcleared.com database to hack. Similarly, I pointed out urclear.com seem to have no cash generating mechanism.
But why pretend to do the urcleared thing, except as a way to deflect blame? Do you think I'm right about that? What's the under think answer?
One of the guys on this board I'm PMimg had sent BGC docs and they told him to go thru urcleared.com. I told him probably BGC wasn't letting anyone new in at the moment or it depends on the PO mood, which is what I think caused my several month delay getting qualified. I told him, even if he went thru urcleared.com, he would probably be still rejected. BGC would come up with some other excuse.
So, maybe we need to urge BGC to look at this discussion and stop jerking new mongers who want to qualify to their org.
I don't know if there is any way to challenge BGC that urcleared.com is their fake. At least I know these discussions can be googled by anyone.
At this point, no one should use urcleared.com unless we see some evidence they are real.
It's pretty bold to suggest urcleared.com is just a facade which I agree seems likely. But you are more expert than me.
It's better to over think, than under think. It's a technique I use to get info out of more knowlegable guys like you by irritating you, and it seemed to work.
And, you gave us some useful input, good evidence the site is a fraud, that the email address is probably just a forwarding email. Also, that there is probably no urcleared.com database to hack. Similarly, I pointed out urclear.com seem to have no cash generating mechanism.
But why pretend to do the urcleared thing, except as a way to deflect blame? Do you think I'm right about that? What's the under think answer?
One of the guys on this board I'm PMimg had sent BGC docs and they told him to go thru urcleared.com. I told him probably BGC wasn't letting anyone new in at the moment or it depends on the PO mood, which is what I think caused my several month delay getting qualified. I told him, even if he went thru urcleared.com, he would probably be still rejected. BGC would come up with some other excuse.
So, maybe we need to urge BGC to look at this discussion and stop jerking new mongers who want to qualify to their org.
I don't know if there is any way to challenge BGC that urcleared.com is their fake. At least I know these discussions can be googled by anyone.
At this point, no one should use urcleared.com unless we see some evidence they are real.