I did plenty of muff diving in the 80's but I didn't know any better at the time. Using the pull out method I dropped plenty of white onto the fluffy nest. But, once I discovered the hardwood, I'd prefer to never go back. That said i still encounter enough natural Chinese bush to know it's still around. To answer the original question check out Annabelle at DDS Health on 47th, near Bala Cynwyd