When I first started this hobby decades ago, the justification is that dating can be expensive. But nowadays after learning about what’s out there, it’s starting to be hard for me to justify the asking price. For example, in Brazil you can easily get it for $10-20 usd at a local place and $60 at a higher end. Same like in asia where $30-60 is the norm or fkk in germany. Meanwhile here in Queens even a fast house can be $60-140 for not so attractive ladies. Don’t even get me started with $60 grannies at 40th. $140+ can also get us decent toys/electronics that provides a long lasting joy. Honestly I’m not sure if going abroad ruined me or I’m just getting old for this? Granted that we can’t take our money to the grave, so might as well enjoy our life a bit. Curious to hear how you guys justify this hobby, do you set a no guilt budget? Or?
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Justifying this hobby
- Thread starter Enoki
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I would say the cost of things overseas does not factor into my budget because I do not live overseas and I can't just hope on the 7 train and be in brazil in 20 minutes every time I have an itch.
What do try to consider is there is a such a thing as post-nut clarity and jacking it at home is free. My sober clear mind questions why I spend any money on this hobby when 9 times out of 10 a few minutes after seeing a lady I regret it. There are sessions worth it, but far too high a percentage were waste and taking care of it myself would have saved time and money.
I do try to stick to some kind of budget. I would love to quit but the truth is, when it's good it's very good, and that is very addictive.
What do try to consider is there is a such a thing as post-nut clarity and jacking it at home is free. My sober clear mind questions why I spend any money on this hobby when 9 times out of 10 a few minutes after seeing a lady I regret it. There are sessions worth it, but far too high a percentage were waste and taking care of it myself would have saved time and money.
I do try to stick to some kind of budget. I would love to quit but the truth is, when it's good it's very good, and that is very addictive.
Unless I'm planning to move to a certain country, I don't factor in the dollar's purchase power. And what you are seeing is just that, the purchase power of the USD, 'cause if you lived in said actual country, say Brazil as you mentioned where it's $10-20, where "People with a per capita income between $188.12 and $727.86 per month are considered middle class", that $10-20 you mention would sting the wallet just as bad if you were a part of their working economy/resident without a flow of USD from a US based income and I point that out 'cause good luck purchasing USD in Brazil or other parts of South America.
Now how do I justify it?........it's many times cheaper than having a girlfriend that could turn into a wife with two kids who can take everything. It's cheaper because you will have lots of personal time to make $ as opposed to investing time in a gf or catering to their needs, which usually involve time. Time is money. Also, variety. Unless you are a brad pitt kind of guy, the average dude is not going to experience the #'s we have in this hobby. All worth the while imho so long as you can control things and don't let the hobby break your wallet.
Now how do I justify it?........it's many times cheaper than having a girlfriend that could turn into a wife with two kids who can take everything. It's cheaper because you will have lots of personal time to make $ as opposed to investing time in a gf or catering to their needs, which usually involve time. Time is money. Also, variety. Unless you are a brad pitt kind of guy, the average dude is not going to experience the #'s we have in this hobby. All worth the while imho so long as you can control things and don't let the hobby break your wallet.
You guys all sum it perfectly for me. A lot of time after post nut clarity, I wonder if I better off jerking it and spend the money on other things. It sounds like having a guilt free budget is the way to go. I do feel that maybe overall im happier when I hobby than simply jerking off and saving the money.
I try to keep it to HJ which can be $100 or $120 if I do the hour massage. Then both of my HJ girls who told me they don't do FS is now doing FS guess business is slow, one is at $160 which is still costing me $200 and the other asked for $200 which would run me $240 or $260 but I've never seem to have enough cash on me I'll get her next time. Then there is my GFE girl that I'm spending $260 -$300 to see $60 for the house and the rest for her I could do a flat $200 but I like her and we have a history now.
I try to budget between them and just budget in general. I want to keep it just to HJ but because I know I can get fs and sometimes I feel hornier than others I spend the money. Then the post nut kicks in or I look at my account and wonder what happened. I tell myself I need to stop or slow down but it is kinda addictive being with a different women weekly or bi-weekly getting a different experience. I don't even try to rationalize the hobby anymore or the money I just enjoy and try to be a little more responsible. But I do wonder about how much fun my money would buy in Thailand or the Phillipines even Columbia
I try to budget between them and just budget in general. I want to keep it just to HJ but because I know I can get fs and sometimes I feel hornier than others I spend the money. Then the post nut kicks in or I look at my account and wonder what happened. I tell myself I need to stop or slow down but it is kinda addictive being with a different women weekly or bi-weekly getting a different experience. I don't even try to rationalize the hobby anymore or the money I just enjoy and try to be a little more responsible. But I do wonder about how much fun my money would buy in Thailand or the Phillipines even Columbia
Thailand is not as cheap as it used to be. It has become very popular with Indians and Russians who don't have to
spend a day on a plane to get there. High rises are popping up all over the place.
When you add up the airfare hotel and bar fines, it's not that cheap. I would love to go anyway but the plane ride
stops me
spend a day on a plane to get there. High rises are popping up all over the place.
When you add up the airfare hotel and bar fines, it's not that cheap. I would love to go anyway but the plane ride
stops me
Honestly times have changed. With the Internet really attractive women just do Instagram/Influencer deals instead of P4P. Or they are a discreet sugar baby.
So worldwide (not just in USA) you can only get below average women in the hobby now.
I haven't participated in over a year now. Took a 2 year break during pandemic and before that it was getting lower and lower quality.
The Backpage guy may be acquitted of all charges. All of that drama for nothing. Pandemic accelerated the online only trend.
I think Sugar baby is the only way to go now. Eros sucks too same providers over and over again.
I pay $300 - 400 and the quality of sex is 100x better than CDP or Roosevelt/Flushing.
It used to only be 10x better, but the quality has declined so much it doesn't make sense to even hobby anymore. Too much risk not enough reward
So worldwide (not just in USA) you can only get below average women in the hobby now.
I haven't participated in over a year now. Took a 2 year break during pandemic and before that it was getting lower and lower quality.
The Backpage guy may be acquitted of all charges. All of that drama for nothing. Pandemic accelerated the online only trend.
I think Sugar baby is the only way to go now. Eros sucks too same providers over and over again.
I pay $300 - 400 and the quality of sex is 100x better than CDP or Roosevelt/Flushing.
It used to only be 10x better, but the quality has declined so much it doesn't make sense to even hobby anymore. Too much risk not enough reward
Which FKKs did you go to where it's 30-60 and you were happy with the results?
I was in Sharks late last year and 100e/30min is pretty much the lowest anyone will go and often you'll have to spend 150-200 for better service or the full hour.
I've been to a few others where 50e can still be had but the quality and choice is just lower, and the other big clubs like Oase also have the higher pricing.
I know this isn't the justification topic you started, and honestly only you can set your own mind at ease with what you're comfortable with.
Just letting you know it ain't pennies elsewhere either - at least not in Europe. Macau saunas were also an awesome time but also not cheap. Lowest price per session (for someone I'd want to see) was Thailand.
I was in Sharks late last year and 100e/30min is pretty much the lowest anyone will go and often you'll have to spend 150-200 for better service or the full hour.
I've been to a few others where 50e can still be had but the quality and choice is just lower, and the other big clubs like Oase also have the higher pricing.
I know this isn't the justification topic you started, and honestly only you can set your own mind at ease with what you're comfortable with.
Just letting you know it ain't pennies elsewhere either - at least not in Europe. Macau saunas were also an awesome time but also not cheap. Lowest price per session (for someone I'd want to see) was Thailand.
Sorry the 30-60, I was referring to asia, specifically Indonesia and malaysia. Last I went to fkk shark was a few years ago and all ladies accepted 50e with open arms. Sad to hear it’s no longer the case. But what’s great about fkk, is that if you get the hour rate, they stay with you for the full hour and you can pretty much do multiple shots if you are able. Going back to the justification part, I feel like the service provided at the fkk was generally better. Anyway, maybe I’m just feeling “broke”, my only way to justify spending recently is that at least I’m not paying a mortgage on a sports car like others around me.
It's just like real estate. Location Location Location.
The same way that a spacious one-bedroom apartment in a doorman building will cost you close to $1 million dollars in Manhttan or Long Island City (if you're lucky) but half a million dollars gets you a whole ranch in New Mexico or a literal mansion in Alabama.
But it is pretty crazy and I totally understand what you're saying. Hands down, the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life were in Brasil and I had threesomes with DIMES down there for $300 all in. I mean full-on, multi-pops, the girls going down on each other porn-level threesomes with ridiculously attractive women. But some of these places in Queens want $200+ for decent quality from some Asian grandmother. It's nuts.
The same way that a spacious one-bedroom apartment in a doorman building will cost you close to $1 million dollars in Manhttan or Long Island City (if you're lucky) but half a million dollars gets you a whole ranch in New Mexico or a literal mansion in Alabama.
But it is pretty crazy and I totally understand what you're saying. Hands down, the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life were in Brasil and I had threesomes with DIMES down there for $300 all in. I mean full-on, multi-pops, the girls going down on each other porn-level threesomes with ridiculously attractive women. But some of these places in Queens want $200+ for decent quality from some Asian grandmother. It's nuts.