Is it Just Me or Has the Quality Dropped Significantly w/ Sugar Baby/Civilians?

[Rombulous]

Even during the later pandemic (2022) and prior to that in 2018 I was finding 3-5 new solid options per year.

It has been officially a whole year since I found a new solid option. I only have 3 remaining. I'm concerned I'm going to be SOL due to the usual churn (Moving out of NYC, New Boyfriend or they can't do anymore due to schedule etc.)

I'm mainly on SecretBenefits but looked on SA the past month or so and it's also trash. Lot of Beluga Whales and Grizzly Bears!!! A lot of low IQ types as well. "The Girl Next Door" types aren't on anymore. There's been a steady decline since earlier this year.

I've dabbled back in outcall here and there but it's too YMMV for my taste. Quality has been slipping there too. With Roosevelt under surveillance I can't go there anymore (plus I don't have time).

Looking at Eros I can't stomach those prices knowing I'll get robotic service. $2,000 and it's not even raw. Like WTF. I pay $300 for one of my SBs and I can shoot the club up all I want. (I verified her paperwork both on STDs and tubes cut)

 

[이 회장님]

Since Covid, many Koreans went back to Korea.

 

[Rombulous]

Since Covid, many Koreans went back to Korea.

I guess they made enough money here? But for the younger ones I figure they would rather struggle here than "Hell Joseon".

To my understanding there is not much economic opportunities for young inexperienced Koreans in the motherland.

 

[이 회장님]

I guess they made enough money here? But for the younger ones I figure they would rather struggle here than "Hell Joseon".

To my understanding there is not much economic opportunities for young inexperienced Koreans in the motherland.

You’re right—not much economic opportunities for them. Korea is still a very male dominated society.

The smart ones made enough and went back.

 

[TIskier]

Even during the later pandemic (2022) and prior to that in 2018 I was finding 3-5 new solid options per year.

It has been officially a whole year since I found a new solid option. I only have 3 remaining. I'm concerned I'm going to be SOL due to the usual churn (Moving out of NYC, New Boyfriend or they can't do anymore due to schedule etc.)

I'm mainly on SecretBenefits but looked on SA the past month or so and it's also trash. Lot of Beluga Whales and Grizzly Bears!!! A lot of low IQ types as well. "The Girl Next Door" types aren't on anymore. There's been a steady decline since earlier this year.

I've dabbled back in outcall here and there but it's too YMMV for my taste. Quality has been slipping there too. With Roosevelt under surveillance I can't go there anymore (plus I don't have time).

Looking at Eros I can't stomach those prices knowing I'll get robotic service. $2,000 and it's not even raw. Like WTF. I pay $300 for one of my SBs and I can shoot the club up all I want. (I verified her paperwork both on STDs and tubes cut)

I find that the time from thanksgiving until mid January are always weak times to find a legit college student. Between finals and going back home SA becomes like a desert. Late January when they return from break and have plenty of time to explore before exams rev-up is the best time.

 

[whitebreeder]

Yep SA sucks nowadays. Before SA came along, Craigslist was incredible for finding young sugar babies. Some of my best experiences are from there until they banned it

 

[이 회장님]

I’ll be more active in SA once my two cock-blocker sisters go back to Korea. lol

 

[luckbealady212]

Yep SA sucks nowadays. Before SA came along, Craigslist was incredible for finding young sugar babies. Some of my best experiences are from there until they banned it

RIP definitely found some gems on casual encounters

 

[Sarsta]

Even during the later pandemic (2022) and prior to that in 2018 I was finding 3-5 new solid options per year.

It has been officially a whole year since I found a new solid option. I only have 3 remaining. I'm concerned I'm going to be SOL due to the usual churn (Moving out of NYC, New Boyfriend or they can't do anymore due to schedule etc.)

I'm mainly on SecretBenefits but looked on SA the past month or so and it's also trash. Lot of Beluga Whales and Grizzly Bears!!! A lot of low IQ types as well. "The Girl Next Door" types aren't on anymore. There's been a steady decline since earlier this year.

I've dabbled back in outcall here and there but it's too YMMV for my taste. Quality has been slipping there too. With Roosevelt under surveillance I can't go there anymore (plus I don't have time).

Looking at Eros I can't stomach those prices knowing I'll get robotic service. $2,000 and it's not even raw. Like WTF. I pay $300 for one of my SBs and I can shoot the club up all I want. (I verified her paperwork both on STDs and tubes cut)

I’ve been seeking one also, but the ones I am interested in just doesn’t do it for me.

 

[Rombulous]

What are these young ladies doing to survive?

Inflation is high and Onlyfans is forever. You would think that the quality ones would at least be curious about trying to make something discreet like this work.

Maybe a bunch of Boomers croaked off during COVID and left a lot of them with a trust fund ???

 

[Rombulous]

I’ve been seeking one also, but the ones I am interested in just doesn’t do it for me.

There's usually a skewed perception from a lot of these young Women about the amount of quality Men available who they can actually attract and keep around.

Some probably have an attitude of entitlement in the beginning that is a turn off . But the smart ones come right back after spinning the block and realizing that either their dream man doesn't exist - Or their dream man doesn't want them.

The three I have now in the beginning they didn't make themselves available all the time. Now after a year plus with 2 of them they cancel anything except work or family events for me. But I still keep arms distance and strictly transactional with light banter here and there.

I find that for the past few years I've been trying to straddle this fence of keeping the temperature just right. I can't imagine actually having to be in a serious relationship with any of these women. If they didn't already have children I'd be in trouble by now.

Ironically, this game is not for single men. Because I can see a single guy getting pulled in , turning this into a pseudo relationship and getting bled dry for $30k+ plus getting coaxed into having kid (for the ones who aren't already baby mommas).

It's possible that some young women want those types and are willing to wait until their pussy dries up. But those types of guys are becoming extinct.

I had 4 that didn't have children a while back and I had to drop all of them. They were trying to get to know me after 3 months.

It might sound counterintuitive but the 27 year old (non-ghetto) baby mommas are the safest. They are busy and not as interested in the romantic aspect. They are also more practical and responsible/responsive with discussions surrounding birth control and STD paperwork.

The ones with no kids who are 22-24 never answer direct questions. And that's a big no-no for me. A lot think their shit doesn't stink, and they can play the bottomless mimosas or endless dinner date games without putting out for "safety reasons".

Sorry for the long answer but that's exactly why "they just don't do it for you". Because a lot are full of shit. And your instinct is telling you that.

They act like it's hard for them to tell a good guy from a bad one. But as I'm getting older I'm realizing that story is BS 90% of the time. They just don't want to have honest conversations because it kills their ridiculous fantasies.

 

[Bricktop]

There's usually a skewed perception from a lot of these young Women about the amount of quality Men available who they can actually attract and keep around.

Some probably have an attitude of entitlement in the beginning that is a turn off . But the smart ones come right back after spinning the block and realizing that either their dream man doesn't exist - Or their dream man doesn't want them.

The three I have now in the beginning they didn't make themselves available all the time. Now after a year plus with 2 of them they cancel anything except work or family events for me. But I still keep arms distance and strictly transactional with light banter here and there.

I find that for the past few years I've been trying to straddle this fence of keeping the temperature just right. I can't imagine actually having to be in a serious relationship with any of these women. If they didn't already have children I'd be in trouble by now.

Ironically, this game is not for single men. Because I can see a single guy getting pulled in , turning this into a pseudo relationship and getting bled dry for $30k+ plus getting coaxed into having kid (for the ones who aren't already baby mommas).

It's possible that some young women want those types and are willing to wait until their pussy dries up. But those types of guys are becoming extinct.

I had 4 that didn't have children a while back and I had to drop all of them. They were trying to get to know me after 3 months.

It might sound counterintuitive but the 27 year old (non-ghetto) baby mommas are the safest. They are busy and not as interested in the romantic aspect. They are also more practical and responsible/responsive with discussions surrounding birth control and STD paperwork.

The ones with no kids who are 22-24 never answer direct questions. And that's a big no-no for me. A lot think their shit doesn't stink, and they can play the bottomless mimosas or endless dinner date games without putting out for "safety reasons".

Sorry for the long answer but that's exactly why "they just don't do it for you". Because a lot are full of shit. And your instinct is telling you that.

They act like it's hard for them to tell a good guy from a bad one. But as I'm getting older I'm realizing that story is BS 90% of the time. They just don't want to have honest conversations because it kills their ridiculous fantasies.

You, sir, are a poacher well done

 

[이 회장님]

What are these young ladies doing to survive?

Inflation is high and Onlyfans is forever. You would think that the quality ones would at least be curious about trying to make something discreet like this work.

Maybe a bunch of Boomers croaked off during COVID and left a lot of them with a trust fund ???

Many of them are barely making ends meet and have zero common sense about money.

 

[Agentcarribean0]

Even during the later pandemic (2022) and prior to that in 2018 I was finding 3-5 new solid options per year.

It has been officially a whole year since I found a new solid option. I only have 3 remaining. I'm concerned I'm going to be SOL due to the usual churn (Moving out of NYC, New Boyfriend or they can't do anymore due to schedule etc.)

I'm mainly on SecretBenefits but looked on SA the past month or so and it's also trash. Lot of Beluga Whales and Grizzly Bears!!! A lot of low IQ types as well. "The Girl Next Door" types aren't on anymore. There's been a steady decline since earlier this year.

I've dabbled back in outcall here and there but it's too YMMV for my taste. Quality has been slipping there too. With Roosevelt under surveillance I can't go there anymore (plus I don't have time).

Looking at Eros I can't stomach those prices knowing I'll get robotic service. $2,000 and it's not even raw. Like WTF. I pay $300 for one of my SBs and I can shoot the club up all I want. (I verified her paperwork both on STDs and tubes cut)

Can’t lie it’s a draught on seeking arrangements. Most of my sugar babies I see on there don’t even go on there anymore thankfully I have their numbers. It almost like a shell of itself. I remember this time last year seeing IG model looking Asian girls on their and I thought this was okay nothing to crazy but nothing to complain about I envy those days now; can’t imagine what it was like pre pandemic.

OnlyFans ruined the game.

 

[Talo]

I was on a private SA group in 2018 and in the last 6 months I tried going back on SA, even found some forums.

All I can say is that I think you're right if I compare my experience from 5-6 years to the last 6 months on those forums. The ones I've seen people ranting and raving about now a days have mostly been ladies I and most others would have ignored in 2018 or ones that people were throwing 200 to for multi hour motel visits.

Recently I've read about guys blowing 500-600 on these ladies and talking like they bagged Arianna Grande when the chick looks sloppy and unattractive. Also, some coming back saying they've gotten an STI but none of that deters the other from pursuing the same chicks.

 

[Rombulous]

Recently I've read about guys blowing 500-600 on these ladies and talking like they bagged Arianna Grande when the chick looks sloppy and unattractive. Also, some coming back saying they've gotten an STI but none of that deters the other from pursuing the same chicks.

Blowing 500-600 on a humpback whale AND getting Chlamydia (why would they hit an ogre looking chick raw is beyond my comprehension)

The definition of insanity!

 

[Talo]

Blowing 500-600 on a humpback whale AND getting Chlamydia (why would they hit an ogre looking chick raw is beyond my comprehension)

The definition of insanity!

Absolutely. This might sound out there but I think for many there is the false correlation or parallel of sugar dating to real dating.

These are the sort of guys that feel that paying for it with an escort doesn't make it a real conquest and therefore not a real win to his male ego. Somehow though classifying her as a sugar baby and stepping down from 8 to 3 because she might actually want him a tiny bit, that somehow makes the whole situation legit and a real sexual conquest for them.

Others just have incredibly low standards and incredibly bad consumer logic.

 

[Rombulous]

Absolutely. This might sound out there but I think for many there is the false correlation or parallel of sugar dating to real dating.

These are the sort of guys that feel that paying for it with an escort doesn't make it a real conquest and therefore not a real win to his male ego. Somehow though classifying her as a sugar baby and stepping down from 8 to 3 because she might actually want him a tiny bit, that somehow makes the whole situation legit and a real sexual conquest for them.

Others just have incredibly low standards and incredibly bad consumer logic.

Yeah man they are partially to blame for this current delusional mindset these women have.

Because for every time I did not text them back, some desperado dude did. So they have a false perception or belief that because they can repeatedly get one time encounters that prince charming must be right around the corner

 

[didi88]

SA is full of dead ends. Most promising conversations wind up going nowhere because when the girls find someone who’s more interesting or who’ll offer more, they just ghost. This has happened multiple times in my experience. Once in a while, this process actually leads to a real meetup, and even then, it’s not uncommon to see the girl doesn’t match expectations. I agree with previous posts regarding better options in past years. Big difference in quantity and quality..

 

[KTMbiker]

SA is full of dead ends. Most promising conversations wind up going nowhere because when the girls find someone who’s more interesting or who’ll offer more, they just ghost. This has happened multiple times in my experience. Once in a while, this process actually leads to a real meetup, and even then, it’s not uncommon to see the girl doesn’t match expectations. I agree with previous posts regarding better options in past years. Big difference in quantity and quality..

Women have so many options, even the average or below average ones, any age, any shape. That's why they will always behave this way