In my opinion, if you don't think you can see this girl as something more than a provider outside the room, then I would agree that it is not worth it If she is someone you'd like to genuinely be with long term with her out of the biz then take the chance fully understand the risks of you being strung along and being taken advantage of. I think only you can make the best decision here in this case but ask anyone here, 9 times out of 10 it doesn't work out with a provider because they are so used to that lifestyle and spending habits that not many other jobs can compare especially with their lack of skill sets most of the time.
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Helping A Provider
- Thread starter hamilton2015
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Really glad you didn't go down that rabbit hole @hamilton2015 discretion,discretion,discretion
Can’t really help providers. Unless you are willing and able to pay off all their debts, sustain their rent and their lifestyle for luxury goods...and tolerate the fact that they have phucked thousands of dudes in the worst ways. I got tangled up with one, spent thousands in a matter of just a few months. Enjoyed porking her bbfs countless times, but in the end, has lead to nowhere other than hurt feelings and feeling used. For both parties. These girls engage a viscous cycle of constantly getting sick from all the fucking and germs involved in the business. Not necessarily STDs, just things like simple UTI, flu, etc... Life is tough for them. I’ve learned much about it in my relationship. At the end of the day they are mostly stuck in a rut. Cannot return home due to shame. Cannot do something different because they are reluctant to relinquish their standard of living. But their social circle exclusively includes only other whores in exact same circumstances, so the commiseration, and camaraderie keeps them all collectively in the game. Much of the money they earn, they throw back into the upkeep - nails, lashes, skincare, hair, whore outfits, etc. The ones that go hard with work schedules surrender their bodies and mind...the ones that go light on schedules will never earn enough to exit the business at the same time are wasting the good years of their youth. Many are here illegally, and are intimidated by the language barrier. Which further keeps them within the confines whoring. It’s a sad life. When I see girls that have been in the business for ten years, it’s a real shame.
Reading the posts from providers I follow on Twitter, I can see there is often a sense of entitlement to "gifts" from admirers. I'll not say if I believe they are correct in their views. You give as much money as you are comfortable losing, and don't expect real affection to be tied to that. In fact I say that the fake affection that might result is dangerous, because you might begin to believe it to be real.
No matter what they say, in the end if your tombstone says "He was a great tipper", it only means that you were valued as long as your wallet was full. I will agree wholeheartedly in the advise NOT to agree to any commitment such as hiring her to work for you.
No matter what they say, in the end if your tombstone says "He was a great tipper", it only means that you were valued as long as your wallet was full. I will agree wholeheartedly in the advise NOT to agree to any commitment such as hiring her to work for you.
You’re only as valuable as how much you take out from your wallet. I made the mistake of getting too close and now looking back regret ever getting involved. I won’t go into,details but I wasted a lot and hurt others also along the way. I thought there was something there and there wasn’t and never was going to be. I was fooled and foolish.
She got what she wanted and moved on. Just disappeared. No phone call or text.
Now I don’t feel bad for them in the least. I don’t give a flying fuck about their “situation”or their broken families, or their bills, their UTIs or whatever. Tough shit.
She got what she wanted and moved on. Just disappeared. No phone call or text.
Now I don’t feel bad for them in the least. I don’t give a flying fuck about their “situation”or their broken families, or their bills, their UTIs or whatever. Tough shit.
So true, sometimes we forget about this reality. Some of them have hard lives but at the end of the day they have to be the ones to change their lives and get out the business. Also, there is nothing but hurt feelings because there is that monetary barrier that will never go away and even if they really like you, its hard to forget how you met and the associated baggage.
One girl really liked me, couldn't see me anymore because we got really personal and she stopped seeing me as a client. She didn't want to take money from me anymore and didn't want to see me in a spa setting but couldn't get past how we met though to try for something more. She was my type so I really liked her to but I understood. We use to text and checkin with each other but evenutally she stopped responding to texts which I guess is because she felt it wouldn't go anywhere. I know she still provides and it does hurt a little that I can't talk to her or see her anymore.
Which is to say, everyone here is right in their responses. Getting into a provider's personal life is a world of trouble and hurt feelings.
One girl really liked me, couldn't see me anymore because we got really personal and she stopped seeing me as a client. She didn't want to take money from me anymore and didn't want to see me in a spa setting but couldn't get past how we met though to try for something more. She was my type so I really liked her to but I understood. We use to text and checkin with each other but evenutally she stopped responding to texts which I guess is because she felt it wouldn't go anywhere. I know she still provides and it does hurt a little that I can't talk to her or see her anymore.
Which is to say, everyone here is right in their responses. Getting into a provider's personal life is a world of trouble and hurt feelings.
Cautionary tale: I just recently ended a sugar arrangement where I had a 25 yo in an apartment since July at $1825 per month plus buying her other shit. Like I would get booze, some groceries. We were involved before, going to hotels 2x per week, and I was only giving her 900 per month for her rented room (plus gifts, restaurants bars etc.). We said I love you, so I thought based on that sub market deal we were real. But she was not into the intimacy so much, after we strayed from ppm to that arrangement, and I thought it was all the bars and hotels since we acted like a real couple. I thought I’d be paying the same with a rented apartment since hotels would be eliminated and maybe we would fuck more. But it did not improve. She ended up being the gatekeeper for sex and I’d have to chase her for 1x week. I broke up with her a month ago and then learned she is bulimic (and i suspect sexually abused). She is about to move out tomorrow - she got over a months rent out of me with no Sex - and is walking around like a shell, not talking to anyone for a couple weeks. She needs treatment, has no skills, spent all her money on food.
I was compassionate. In fact, I had fucked around on her and she caught me in May. I thought the apt would make up for it. Less than a month into the apartment, I caught her there with a guy she started dating right after. I understand bulimia impacts sex drive, but I didn’t know about bulimia at the time we broke up, and she managed to fuck this other guy back then. Now that she does not have my support she is feeling it. But I have her chances to pick things up.
Lesson learned - you have to protect yourself in relationships with girls who sell themselves for sex. It’s not even personal - they will hurt you, but they harm themselves even more so
I was compassionate. In fact, I had fucked around on her and she caught me in May. I thought the apt would make up for it. Less than a month into the apartment, I caught her there with a guy she started dating right after. I understand bulimia impacts sex drive, but I didn’t know about bulimia at the time we broke up, and she managed to fuck this other guy back then. Now that she does not have my support she is feeling it. But I have her chances to pick things up.
Lesson learned - you have to protect yourself in relationships with girls who sell themselves for sex. It’s not even personal - they will hurt you, but they harm themselves even more so
It sounds like you've gathered the responses and arrived at a sound decision.
An example of parasitism in its crudest state.
It's important to be mindful that becoming emotionally involved with these gals is a decision, one that makes you vulnerable to exploitation. Unless the gal demonstrates a willingness to make sacrifices to be closer to you, then in most cases, you're being taken for a ride.
The fact that she refused to see you outside the spa, but proceeded to request money from you is a clear example of the maldistribution of benefits within the relationship.
Before entering any sort of relationship, an important question to ask oneself would be, "Would I stand a chance with this gal in a more normative dating context?" Your answer should help you better gauge how guarded you should remain throughout your interactions with the gal.
An example of parasitism in its crudest state.
It's important to be mindful that becoming emotionally involved with these gals is a decision, one that makes you vulnerable to exploitation. Unless the gal demonstrates a willingness to make sacrifices to be closer to you, then in most cases, you're being taken for a ride.
The fact that she refused to see you outside the spa, but proceeded to request money from you is a clear example of the maldistribution of benefits within the relationship.
Before entering any sort of relationship, an important question to ask oneself would be, "Would I stand a chance with this gal in a more normative dating context?" Your answer should help you better gauge how guarded you should remain throughout your interactions with the gal.
One thousand times yes! I started down this path, but cut it off at an earlier point. I saw exactly what you described on a few occasions. For me I could see the statements they made did not sync with the body language, so I cut it off and let it be a lesson to myself. No hard feelings, since I started along that path of my own volition. You don't blame a cat for acting like a cat.
Certainly. That's why I stress that becoming emotionally involved is a decision. People may assume that they just magically developed feelings/ fell in love with a gal, but there is a decision point in that process where one decides to allow themselves to relinquish control to their emotions.
I mean, some people have such low awareness of the underlying drivers to their behavior that it may seem like everything is done unconsciously for them, but it's really not the case at all. Only we can be held responsible for the shit we decide to jump into.
I mean, some people have such low awareness of the underlying drivers to their behavior that it may seem like everything is done unconsciously for them, but it's really not the case at all. Only we can be held responsible for the shit we decide to jump into.
Eh, no idea what their story is, and minimal interest in hearing the story since P4P sex is in part telling small lies to fuel a fantasy. I have my story to deal with. In the end if a woman is nice to me, I am nice to her. Part of that is keeping up my end of the deal. If she wants to attempt to re-negotiate, she can try and I can walk.