Has anyone here ever witness an AMP raid?

[peterbald224]

Chances are whoever you are saying this to goes there as well and knows these places can make your back worse with the little to no training these providers have, it would always be obvious you're there for the extras.

still, I am an older man now, maybe getting a bit senile, I just wanted a massage, how can they prove otherwise???? Unless they hid a secret camera, and even then i can claim I just thought the girl fell in love with me. lol
Unless I kill one of these girls, I think I will be all right. Hell, even OJ got away with claiming he was innocent!

 

[jim_hatez]

still, I am an older man now, maybe getting a bit senile, I just wanted a massage, how can they prove otherwise???? Unless they hid a secret camera, and even then i can claim I just thought the girl fell in love with me. lol
Unless I kill one of these girls, I think I will be all right. Hell, even OJ got away with claiming he was innocent!

Dude you'd be fine.

Think about this, your pension was earned by you over time. Part of your comp. They can't take that so easily, especially if you aren't convicted. People get falsely arrested all the time and then no charges are filed, or DA refuses to charge, etc. How are they gonna strip you of something so huge/important to security in your life esp without a conviction? Accusations don't mean shit if they aren't proven in a court of law.

You would never go to trial or be put in the papers. I've only seen mongers put in the papers when there is a sting which is usually hotel girl setups. I never saw an AMP sting in a news paper that showed faces and names of customers in the AMP at the time. Could it exist? Maybe, but I never saw it. And I keep eyes open for that stuff.

Nobody can prove what happened in the room or not. You went there for a massage period. Will some people think you might be lying? Yes. Will they be able to prove it ? No. So you'll be good.

Relax and go get a 1 hour vacation from this stress!!

 

[SincerelyWF]

For those who don’t really understand the way policing works, yes, you can be arrested. Even at a legitimate place. Even if you’re just standing in the lobby. I can literally arrest you for anything I want any any time. I can arrest you for the crime of “having a haircut”.
oh, that’s not a crime you say? Doesn’t matter, that’s between you and the judge.

 

[peterbald224]

For those who don’t really understand the way policing works, yes, you can be arrested. Even at a legitimate place. Even if you’re just standing in the lobby. I can literally arrest you for anything I want any any time. I can arrest you for the crime of “having a haircut”.
oh, that’s not a crime you say? Doesn’t matter, that’s between you and the judge.

I watch youtube, that is just not true. You don't even have to give your name if they can not articulate the crime or the crime they suspect you are about to commit. They must state the law they are enforcing. I guess I will video like all those first amendment auditors.
*edit: i am also in nyc, i think all the cops wear bodycams, but not undercover cops I suppose.

 

[dirkjones]

I watch youtube, that is just not true.

lol, you may be right... this statement just came across as funny to me.

 

[peterbald224]

lol, you may be right... this statement just came across as funny to me.

I find everything silly. Glad it comes across in my posts same as in real life. lol most do not get it or me here or there! glad you have a sense of humor also.

 

[SincerelyWF]

I watch youtube, that is just not true. You don't even have to give your name if they can not articulate the crime or the crime they suspect you are about to commit. They must state the law they are enforcing. I guess I will video like all those first amendment auditors.
*edit: i am also in nyc, i think all the cops wear bodycams, but not undercover cops I suppose.

oh man, I don’t know if this is a serious post, or if you were making a satirical joke!

 

[peterbald224]

oh man, I don’t know if this is a serious post, or if you were making a satirical joke!

its actually kind of both. I seriously do not believe a cop can arrest you and give you a ticket for a bad haircut. I am bald so it may mean the death penalty.

 

[SincerelyWF]

it’s actually kind of both. I seriously do not believe a cop can arrest you and give you a ticket for a bad haircut. I am bald so it may mean the death penalty.

I know I’m a random person on the internet, but trust me, they absolutely can. I speak from many years of experience.

 

[Abc246825]

For those who don’t really understand the way policing works, yes, you can be arrested. Even at a legitimate place. Even if you’re just standing in the lobby. I can literally arrest you for anything I want any any time. I can arrest you for the crime of “having a haircut”.
oh, that’s not a crime you say? Doesn’t matter, that’s between you and the judge.

A perfect example of why people hate the police. How many times have you screamed "stop resisting" while beating an unarmed black guy?

 

[SincerelyWF]

A perfect example of why people hate the police. How many times have you screamed "stop resisting" while beating an unarmed black guy?

Personally, never, but I guarantee you that however much you think it happens, it happens waaaaay more often than that. Huge reason why I quit. Loved the money, hated the job.

 

[Ankle_Socks]

and what if you just say you were getting a massage and nothing illegal is going on?
can you still be arrested as a customer?
I am dying to go, but the thought of losing my job and pension is just too risky and ANY type of arrest is actionable.

Stay home, you will lose your nerves in a raid that is unlikely to happen....if you have four years of interest...and not ventured...you are a tenderfoot. Stick to legit places

 

[jim_hatez]

Cops can arrest you for any reason/no reason BUT then they open themselves up to lawsuits. So generally they do not do that.

This is why it's always best to be professional and comply. You need to "fight" in court, never the street.

For the guy making the comment about beating an unarmed black guy, I hate to break it to you, but it doesn't matter if a person is armed. If they are resisting, use of force is allowed. UOF needs to be proportional however. A guy struggling can't be shot in the head for example. But if they are trying to grab a gun (real or perceived) now they became a potential deadly threat and lethal force can be used.

The vast majority of these claimed "police excessive force" cases are in fact the fault of the "victim". They choose to not comply/fight, but then they get their ass kicked or killed and all the sudden it's racism.

Sorry, no.

You don't have to comply - but if you fight and get roughed up you brought it on yourself.

Now back on topic. The beauty of AMPS is they offer a legit service. They are a "licensed" business usually. Who cares what cops say, we know you did it, you are here for XYZ. Response... that's not true, I only came for a massage, no idea what you're talking about. I don't want to discuss anymore until I have spoken with counsel, thank you. The end.

If you stick to this... and it can be hard, as they will try to pressure/manipulate you (but see through it) you will 99.9% be fine.

Also, don't be an idiot like Robert Blake. Cops use hidden microphones. So if for example they detain you, cuff you and put you in the car for a bit (another scare tactic) don't be talking to yourself outloud saying crap like "Dammit I can't believe they almost caught me doing XYZ here!!" - More often than not, people sink their own ship.

Don't be that guy.

 

[Ripple65]

well, I have to report any arrest with my job, no matter where it occurs. Whether guilty or not, if I do not report it, I can be fired and lose my pension. So anywhere in the world is the same risk.

I work in flushing and literally walk past over 10 of these places on my way to work, including this one:
https://prettyyukinyc.com/
seems silly to travel when I pass that every day lol

Doesn’t your company have to wait before it’s adjudicated to lose your pension ?

 

[cool313]

yea, well,

yea, and if my job was say a public school teacher right down the street, that may prove problematic.

I still don't understand how i can walk into a business and be arrested? Like what if a bodega is selling drugs and I go in to buy a soda while they get raided? How can they prove i was there for the drugs? How is that not the same thing????

last I checked massages are very legal and so is sex. If the girl happens to like me and becomes attracted to me while giving said massage, how is that a crime? I tip extra to anyone that provides me with a great experience!

weird flex to come to this forum asking for legal advice

 

[PorterD]

Cops can arrest you for anything- but if it’s a baseless arrest; you will have a great case and likely a great settlement coming your way.

There is a YouTube channel called audit the audit. Where they take police interactions and they pull up case law to audit police interactions. Watch enough of those and you will get a great idea what your rights are and when they are being violated.

 

[PorterD]

I watch youtube, that is just not true. You don't even have to give your name if they can not articulate the crime or the crime they suspect you are about to commit. They must state the law they are enforcing. I guess I will video like all those first amendment auditors.
*edit: i am also in nyc, i think all the cops wear bodycams, but not undercover cops I suppose.

Not correct. They actually don’t have to tell you any of that. However if it’s later determined in court that they didn’t have reasonable suspicion; you have a legit lawsuit against them.

That is why it is always in your best interest to comply with commands and say NOTHING. Then work it out in court.

 

[peterbald224]

Not correct. They actually don’t have to tell you any of that. However if it’s later determined in court that they didn’t have reasonable suspicion; you have a legit lawsuit against them.

That is why it is always in your best interest to comply with commands and say NOTHING. Then work it out in court.

yea, why help with an investigation- that is on you! My right to remain silent would not go beyond " My business here is for a massage". I would answer every question with that.

 

[DrHappy88]

yea, why help with an investigation- that is on you! My right to remain silent would not go beyond " My business here is for a massage". I would answer every question with that.

I'm not a lawyer. The following is not legal advice. Consult a real attorney before you do anything.

You are correct on one point. You are under no obligation to assist the PoPo in their "investigation." However, and I can't stress this enough, do not ever tell them why you are there, whether it's to get a massage, drop off food, sell solar panels, introduce the nice ladies to Jesus or whatever. It just opens up door for them to get you to admit to something. They are trained to extract information and they are allowed to lie to do it. This goes for every situation - AMP raid, traffic stop, etc. What you do with your day is none of their business. All they need to know is that, in accordance with your 5th Amendment rights, you will not be answering any questions without the benefit of legal counsel being present. Then STFU. No arguing. No pleading. No stories. Just keep your mouth shut.

Also, make sure you record everything.

 

[PorterD]

I'm not a lawyer. The following is not legal advice. Consult a real attorney before you do anything.

You are correct on one point. You are under no obligation to assist the PoPo in their "investigation." However, and I can't stress this enough, do not ever tell them why you are there, whether it's to get a massage, drop off food, sell solar panels, introduce the nice ladies to Jesus or whatever. It just opens up door for them to get you to admit to something. They are trained to extract information and they are allowed to lie to do it. This goes for every situation - AMP raid, traffic stop, etc. What you do with your day is none of their business. All they need to know is that, in accordance with your 5th Amendment rights, you will not be answering any questions without the benefit of legal counsel being present. Then STFU. No arguing. No pleading. No stories. Just keep your mouth shut.

Also, make sure you record everything.

Exactly. Saying you are there for just a massage opens you up to them asking “well then why did you…. Hide your car, take off clothes, or whatever. Or they could pull the “we talked to provider xyz and she says otherwise.

Now the cops are increasing pressure on you to talk yourself out of those things. Bad trap to fall for. Once they get you talking you will sing yourself into a pair of cuffs quite easily.