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Are you guys seeing more SPAS closing and are you still visiting?
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Okay genius go argue with someone that knows something. Read below.
"It’s so clear that the overwhelming weight of serious disease and mortality is on those who are elderly and those with a serious comorbidity: heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, obesity, respiratory difficulties," said Anthony Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/fauci-offers-update-coronavirus-to-jama-for-clinicans
"It’s so clear that the overwhelming weight of serious disease and mortality is on those who are elderly and those with a serious comorbidity: heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, obesity, respiratory difficulties," said Anthony Fauci, M.D., director of the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/fauci-offers-update-coronavirus-to-jama-for-clinicans
See my post above, most doctors will say obesity is a comorbidity for this virus. Whether it is direct or indirect doesn't concern me. Their words are clear.
Yes I agree with your second point that people are riding it out now after government officials woke up. Was a little late, but better than never. There still are a lot of cases around but the virus could abate as the president says in july and august if we continue to ride it out until then. But that is a long time way. We will have to see what happens until then. One thing is clear, if we didn't start isolating the hospitals would quickly be overwhelmed.
Yes I agree with your second point that people are riding it out now after government officials woke up. Was a little late, but better than never. There still are a lot of cases around but the virus could abate as the president says in july and august if we continue to ride it out until then. But that is a long time way. We will have to see what happens until then. One thing is clear, if we didn't start isolating the hospitals would quickly be overwhelmed.
Oh look I found another infectious disease doctor that heavily disagrees with you. Go figure.
He was on the Joe Rogan show recently I would encourage you to go watch it!
"We're concerned about the occurrence of other risk factors for severe disease as this virus moves out into other parts of the world. For example, one of the risk factors for acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS -- the most severe of the outcomes of COVID-19 infection -- is obesity. In parts of the world, including the US, where obesity is an epidemic problem, its likely we may see a different case fatality rate than we're seeing in China; that is, US fatalities may be less gender-specific and the rate of fatalities could be even higher than it is in China due to higher obesity rates among people 45 years or older."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/osterholm-coronavirus-interview-bergen/index.html
He was on the Joe Rogan show recently I would encourage you to go watch it!
"We're concerned about the occurrence of other risk factors for severe disease as this virus moves out into other parts of the world. For example, one of the risk factors for acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS -- the most severe of the outcomes of COVID-19 infection -- is obesity. In parts of the world, including the US, where obesity is an epidemic problem, its likely we may see a different case fatality rate than we're seeing in China; that is, US fatalities may be less gender-specific and the rate of fatalities could be even higher than it is in China due to higher obesity rates among people 45 years or older."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/osterholm-coronavirus-interview-bergen/index.html
Mr Erotes - First off, thank you for calling me a genius.
With that pleasantry out the way, please take your fight up with the CDC, NHS, JHU, or any institution that does actual research including Fauci's own NIH.
Presenting click-monetized media links is interesting, but it doesn't carry the same weight as properly cited research. The media targets a 3rd-grade reading level, encourages oversimplification and the rarely follow-up beyond that level. For example, in the first link you sent, did Fierce Healthcare
ask Fauci to go into NIH's classification of Obesity classes 1, 2 and 3, how they arrived at that classification system or to what degree each classification impacts health? Or is it simply good enough to believe every pudgy person on this board has a comorbidity factor for COVID-19 based their BMI alone? Your Fierce news site is sponsored by an entertainment company. I'm not sure would you plant your flag with them as your trusted reference? As I have told others, Google is not always your friend. In fact, links online are not a valid cited research source, but who knows if you have done any of that in real life.
You are proving my point about not taking the time to go and look at actual data and attempting to understand it. For those of us that enjoy reading beyond the grade-school level, this is not a stretch, but it is not as entertaining as a news site. Your second link isn't much better nor is your claim about "most doctors" (that you obviously haven't sampled, surveyed, or talked to). Most doctors are reported to encourage you to eat cereal in the morning and to use a specific brand of toothpaste when you brush. Dig deeper and you will find that the claims reference studies are sponsored by Kellogg's and Proctor & Gamble respectively and other similar companies. I'm a strong advocate of looking beyond the surface narrative and validating the facts.
If your viewpoint is correct, then the 42% obese population are all at risk in the US and so is one-third of the planet. Life as we know it will end soon so this conversation is irrelevant.
Hospital systems are ready for no more than 0.3% for us to be hospitalized at any one time. That is a number used as standard metric for hospital economic planning globally and is evidenced by the number of available hospital beds (2.8 per 1000 in the US, 3.2 per 1000 in most of Europe). This is why they are encouraging many to stay home and ride out the virus if they don't have a true comorbidity factor. In fact, the NYC COVID-19 hotline is following the same guidance and not asking about obesity during their interview, but they do ask about the other health factors that the CDC has called out. Did you get this one right and they got this one wrong?
Now, maybe you don't care about critical reading, math or research. Maybe all these researchers are wrong and you are right. For the sake of the hospitals, do you really want a big boned woman showing up to the ER with a potential case of COVID-19 unnecessarily? For the sake of helping those that are really sick, you may want to familiarize yourself with a couple official clinical sources and spread that info instead. It will make the jobs of medical professionals easier.
I wish you good luck out there.
With that pleasantry out the way, please take your fight up with the CDC, NHS, JHU, or any institution that does actual research including Fauci's own NIH.
Presenting click-monetized media links is interesting, but it doesn't carry the same weight as properly cited research. The media targets a 3rd-grade reading level, encourages oversimplification and the rarely follow-up beyond that level. For example, in the first link you sent, did Fierce Healthcare
ask Fauci to go into NIH's classification of Obesity classes 1, 2 and 3, how they arrived at that classification system or to what degree each classification impacts health? Or is it simply good enough to believe every pudgy person on this board has a comorbidity factor for COVID-19 based their BMI alone? Your Fierce news site is sponsored by an entertainment company. I'm not sure would you plant your flag with them as your trusted reference? As I have told others, Google is not always your friend. In fact, links online are not a valid cited research source, but who knows if you have done any of that in real life.You are proving my point about not taking the time to go and look at actual data and attempting to understand it. For those of us that enjoy reading beyond the grade-school level, this is not a stretch, but it is not as entertaining as a news site. Your second link isn't much better nor is your claim about "most doctors" (that you obviously haven't sampled, surveyed, or talked to). Most doctors are reported to encourage you to eat cereal in the morning and to use a specific brand of toothpaste when you brush. Dig deeper and you will find that the claims reference studies are sponsored by Kellogg's and Proctor & Gamble respectively and other similar companies. I'm a strong advocate of looking beyond the surface narrative and validating the facts.
If your viewpoint is correct, then the 42% obese population are all at risk in the US and so is one-third of the planet. Life as we know it will end soon so this conversation is irrelevant.
Hospital systems are ready for no more than 0.3% for us to be hospitalized at any one time. That is a number used as standard metric for hospital economic planning globally and is evidenced by the number of available hospital beds (2.8 per 1000 in the US, 3.2 per 1000 in most of Europe). This is why they are encouraging many to stay home and ride out the virus if they don't have a true comorbidity factor. In fact, the NYC COVID-19 hotline is following the same guidance and not asking about obesity during their interview, but they do ask about the other health factors that the CDC has called out. Did you get this one right and they got this one wrong?
Now, maybe you don't care about critical reading, math or research. Maybe all these researchers are wrong and you are right. For the sake of the hospitals, do you really want a big boned woman showing up to the ER with a potential case of COVID-19 unnecessarily? For the sake of helping those that are really sick, you may want to familiarize yourself with a couple official clinical sources and spread that info instead. It will make the jobs of medical professionals easier.
I wish you good luck out there.
Mr Erotes - First off, thank you for calling me a genius.
With that pleasantry out the way, please take your fight up with the CDC, NHS, JHU, or any institution that does actual research including Fauci's own NIH.
Presenting click-monetized media links is interesting, but it doesn't carry the same weight as properly cited research. The media targets a 3rd-grade reading level, encourages oversimplification and the rarely follow-up beyond that level. For example, in the first link you sent, did Fierce Healthcare ask Fauci to go into NIH's classification of Obesity classes 1, 2 and 3, how they arrived at that classification system or to what degree each classification impacts health? Or is it simply good enough to believe every pudgy person on this board has a comorbidity factor for COVID-19 based their BMI alone? Your Fierce news site is sponsored by an entertainment company. I'm not sure would you plant your flag with them as your trusted reference? As I have told others, Google is not always your friend. In fact, links online are not a valid cited research source, but who knows if you have done any of that in real life.
You are proving my point about not taking the time to go and look at actual data and attempting to understand it. For those of us that enjoy reading beyond the grade-school level, this is not a stretch, but it is not as entertaining as a news site. Your second link isn't much better nor is your claim about "most doctors" (that you obviously haven't sampled, surveyed, or talked to). Most doctors are reported to encourage you to eat cereal in the morning and to use a specific brand of toothpaste when you brush. Dig deeper and you will find that the claims reference studies are sponsored by Kellogg's and Proctor & Gamble respectively and other similar companies. I'm a strong advocate of looking beyond the surface narrative and validating the facts.
If your viewpoint is correct, then the 42% obese population are all at risk in the US and so is one-third of the planet. Life as we know it will end soon so this conversation is irrelevant.
Hospital systems are ready for no more than 0.3% for us to be hospitalized at any one time. That is a number used as standard metric for hospital economic planning globally and is evidenced by the number of available hospital beds (2.8 per 1000 in the US, 3.2 per 1000 in most of Europe). This is why they are encouraging many to stay home and ride out the virus if they don't have a true comorbidity factor. In fact, the NYC COVID-19 hotline is following the same guidance and not asking about obesity during their interview, but they do ask about the other health factors that the CDC has called out. Did you get this one right and they got this one wrong?
Now, maybe you don't care about critical reading, math or research. Maybe all these researchers are wrong and you are right. For the sake of the hospitals, do you really want a big boned woman showing up to the ER with a potential case of COVID-19 unnecessarily? For the sake of helping those that are really sick, you may want to familiarize yourself with a couple official clinical sources and spread that info instead. It will make the jobs of medical professionals easier.
I wish you good luck out there.
With that pleasantry out the way, please take your fight up with the CDC, NHS, JHU, or any institution that does actual research including Fauci's own NIH.
Presenting click-monetized media links is interesting, but it doesn't carry the same weight as properly cited research. The media targets a 3rd-grade reading level, encourages oversimplification and the rarely follow-up beyond that level. For example, in the first link you sent, did Fierce Healthcare
ask Fauci to go into NIH's classification of Obesity classes 1, 2 and 3, how they arrived at that classification system or to what degree each classification impacts health? Or is it simply good enough to believe every pudgy person on this board has a comorbidity factor for COVID-19 based their BMI alone? Your Fierce news site is sponsored by an entertainment company. I'm not sure would you plant your flag with them as your trusted reference? As I have told others, Google is not always your friend. In fact, links online are not a valid cited research source, but who knows if you have done any of that in real life.You are proving my point about not taking the time to go and look at actual data and attempting to understand it. For those of us that enjoy reading beyond the grade-school level, this is not a stretch, but it is not as entertaining as a news site. Your second link isn't much better nor is your claim about "most doctors" (that you obviously haven't sampled, surveyed, or talked to). Most doctors are reported to encourage you to eat cereal in the morning and to use a specific brand of toothpaste when you brush. Dig deeper and you will find that the claims reference studies are sponsored by Kellogg's and Proctor & Gamble respectively and other similar companies. I'm a strong advocate of looking beyond the surface narrative and validating the facts.
If your viewpoint is correct, then the 42% obese population are all at risk in the US and so is one-third of the planet. Life as we know it will end soon so this conversation is irrelevant.
Hospital systems are ready for no more than 0.3% for us to be hospitalized at any one time. That is a number used as standard metric for hospital economic planning globally and is evidenced by the number of available hospital beds (2.8 per 1000 in the US, 3.2 per 1000 in most of Europe). This is why they are encouraging many to stay home and ride out the virus if they don't have a true comorbidity factor. In fact, the NYC COVID-19 hotline is following the same guidance and not asking about obesity during their interview, but they do ask about the other health factors that the CDC has called out. Did you get this one right and they got this one wrong?
Now, maybe you don't care about critical reading, math or research. Maybe all these researchers are wrong and you are right. For the sake of the hospitals, do you really want a big boned woman showing up to the ER with a potential case of COVID-19 unnecessarily? For the sake of helping those that are really sick, you may want to familiarize yourself with a couple official clinical sources and spread that info instead. It will make the jobs of medical professionals easier.
I wish you good luck out there.
No fever?
No cough?
No diabetes, CKD, emphysema/COPD, etc?
No open heart surgery or stents, CHF?
"No test. Get out!!"
That's exactly what hospitals are figuring out.
The news media keeps talking about the number of hospital beds. Surgical masks for the healthcare workers need to arrive first. There is a new recommendation from the administration to use the surgical masks beyond their normal shelf life until the new orders of masks get through the supply chain.
The news media keeps talking about the number of hospital beds. Surgical masks for the healthcare workers need to arrive first. There is a new recommendation from the administration to use the surgical masks beyond their normal shelf life until the new orders of masks get through the supply chain.
I do think that in the current situation any provider working is not caring about society or their customers health. NY cases have topped 4000. I've seen a lot of people walk out in the street socializing and gathering around my neighborhood. People are coughing without covering their mouth and spitting on the street.
