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RickeyRomance

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Someone wake me when an ACTUAL businessman is President like Warren Buffett. An actual success story who is wise enough to know and say that a country where he pays a lower tax rate than the woman who takes out his garbage is heading for ruin.

Economies grow best from the bottom up and middle up, not the top down.
 
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And there's a way to do both middle class tax reform and slash the budget deficit quite equitably if partisan politics were removed from the equation.

You raise the eligibility age for Social Security to 67 (because folks are living longer) and you raise the cap to $500,000 and you've just made Social Security solvent for the next 75 years.

Real solutions like that exist in the middle and not on the partisan, zero sum extremes were people who propose basic compromise are called RINOs or Blue Dog Democrats and primaried out of office.
 
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RickeyRomance said:
When our police and firefighters and nurses are being underpaid because of 'budget cuts' or hospitals close, roads go unpaved and schools get underfunded, that's because the money that Bank of America and ExxonMobil should be paying, those BILLIONS of dollars in taxes that should be going to cops and schools and bridge maintenance, is missing. That's how.
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Not only that, IRS ought to know better and keep closer eyes on the wealthy people because they have professionals helping them find ways to "reduce" taxes and when middle class-poor people make mistakes, IRS goes after them. Say 500 IRS hours at 25 an hour is $12,500 and a poor family may be penalized for $2,000. Congress-IRS change laws annually on purpose for hidden reasons. That would be $10,500 taken away from the schools/hospitals and so on.
 
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Chiparlor said:
Not only that, IRS ought to know better and keep closer eyes on the wealthy people because they have professionals helping them find ways to "reduce" taxes and when middle class-poor people make mistakes, IRS goes after them. Say 500 IRS hours at 25 an hour is $12,500 and a poor family may be penalized for $2,000. Congress-IRS change laws annually on purpose for hidden reasons. That would be $10,500 taken away from the schools/hospitals and so on.
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Amen. This WHOLE thing is about income tax avoidance for the rich. IRS enforcement has skyrocketed for people making less than $100,000 per year and it's almost evaporated for folks making more than that. That was the whole game. The rich DESPISE paying their fair share of taxes and they install political shills to effect that outcome. All of the silly little social squabbles like abortion and race are to get the rubes to vote. Once they have the votes, the very first thing every Republican President and Congress do is vote for juicy tax cuts for the wealthy and they strip enforcement power and funding from both the IRS and SEC.
 
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And moreover on the topic of reparations, the largest government handout in American history was given to white returning GI's from WWII who were given almost free college tuition and almost zero percent home loans to purchase houses in mandated 'all-white' Levitt suburbs across the nation. Within the same generation, those families were given the seed to generational wealth that was WHOLLY provided by the government. That $5,000 home on Long Island that's now worth $700,000 and that college degree that undergirded the next four generations of wage earners was the biggest welfare payment our country ever doled out and our country picked the winners by race.

 
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I beg to differ a little. Not only Republicans. It is the Congress, regardless of party, that are doing anything they can to grow richer. And, the Congress we voted for has never-ending barrels and barrels of excuses larger than Exxon-Mobil.
 
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RickeyRomance said:
And moreover on the topic of reparations, the largest government handout in American history was given to white returning GI's from WWII who were given almost free college tuition and almost zero percent home loans to purchase houses in mandated 'all-white' Levitt suburbs across the nation. Within the same generation, those families were given the seed to generational wealth that was WHOLLY provided by the government. That $5,000 home on Long Island that's now worth $700,000 and that college degree that undergirded the next four generations of wage earners was the biggest welfare payment our country ever doled out and our country picked the winners by race.

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Reparations are a bad idea all the way around. Any way you slice it you are taking money (essentially stealing) from people who had nothing to do with sins of the past. Not to mention how divisive it is on it's face.
 
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Koondog said:
Reparations are a bad idea all the way around. Any way you slice it you are taking money (essentially stealing) from people who had nothing to do with sins of the past. Not to mention how divisive it is on it's face.
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I will agree that it's basically impossible to implement so long after slavery but know that we paid reparations to the Japanese-Americans that we imprisoned during WWII and we are still paying some form of reparations to Native American tribes. It's not about punishing individuals but about correcting an injustice that our country perpetrated on people.
 
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I will agree that it's basically impossible to implement so long after slavery but know that we paid reparations to the Japanese-Americans that we imprisoned during WWII and we are still paying some form of reparations to Native American tribes. It's not about punishing individuals but about correcting an injustice that our country perpetrated on people.
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16d common head nail on the head!
 
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Koondog said:
We have paid reparations already. 620,000 dead in the Civil War to end slavery I think is quite enough.
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And no, that's not quite enough when every slave was promised 40 acres and a mule and this country reneged on that promise. Also, slavery wasn't something that the United States realized was happening elsewhere and faced. It's something that our country, our founding fathers, engaged in from before we even were a nation. There were slaves in every single colony state until it was outlawed right ahead of the start of the Civil War so let's climb down off our high horse.
 
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