Contact Tracing

Can't think of any but I'm listening. Sleeping habits suck. That's one. I consider hobbying a good habit. I wish I had taken it up long before I did.

I’m not an alarmist. I’m a history buff. Mainly 20th Century. I see people being passive. If awareness is raised people can push back and probably succeed.

And the text would say what? We shall see

This may have been mentioned before. Contact tracing is something that already occurs for communicable diseases. Protecting privacy is critical to the success of these programs. A lot of the deseases that have to be traced are often spread via sex and drugs, so tracers have to be trusted to only deal with the health issues and nothing more.
Contact tracing gives us a chance to open the economy and work while protecting ourselves.
While concerns about privacy exist, it is important for everyone from the extreme left to the extreme right to get this right for all of us.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. "

I’m curious which govt entity will own any contact tracing organization, and it’s legal authority. Even if it’s a LE-backed entity with subpoena power, I expect many to simply commit errors of omission when relating their whereabouts. I suspect it will be unrealistic for resources to be committed to a Full security camera and cell signal trace by a team of investigators for anything less than a 1st defers murder charge.

I was quarantined in Malaysia for 4 days in 2011 for possible swine flu exposure. An individual on the plane some dozen rows in front of me contracted swine flu 3 days after we landed. The airline tracked down every person on the plane they could find. I received a phone call in my hotel to stay in my room, and 5 minutes later a medical team arrived in full PPE, provided me with thermometers and documents and required me to record my temp 2x a day fir 4 days and if it did not go above a certain temp i was free to leave. I was not permitted to leave the room, unless I wanted to quarantine in the hospital or local jail. When I called the US Consulate to see what rights I had, they informed me that the jails were not all that nice. They delivered food in full PPE every day, then ran. Oh yeah, they also cleared the floor. i was on floor 13.

Countries who managed These pandemics in the past, and those who have biologic warfare concerns have fresh response plans in effect. They were quite ready for this event. Malaysia has 4 deaths per million people. South Korea, Japan, Taiwan handled round one well and will handle any flare ups well. Their citizens are more compliant.

Compliance is a matter of homogeneous people. Very easy. If the president of Japan was Swedish or Nigerian, all compliance would be out the window. Compliance has its strengths but can also lead to horrors and poor bx from not asking questions.

See that?
You should have kept drinking...

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Note that Joe Biden who will say anything to get elected suggested the Federal Government implement a domestic “peace corp” model with “armies” of young people acting as contact tracers. If that doesn’t give you pause you’re not paying attention

As soon as I heard that the phrase "brown shirts" came to mind.

Out here it is the same people who scream "Reopen now!", who want ALL restrictions/ precautions removed, heckle people who wear masks, and pack themselves in shoulder to shoulder.

But it's all about "invasion of privacy", when the solution isfor them to just stop being stupid (I know, for many of them that's not going to happen).

No great shock about the Wisconsin news this morning.

PS: why is this entire thread not in the Political thread?

OK, now there is ZERO pretence that this thread isn't political. And, quite honestly, that your rant confirms you only see threats selectively.

Odd, that's what i and many others think when we see civilians with lots of guns threatening state legislatures and police under the guise of "open now". Too bad those same mobs don't then volunteer at the COVID clinics when the admissions spike.

But most of them are too busy at a pool party.

OG started a thread in the BOARDWIDE GENERAL TOPICS forum. The subject matter is exactly a Boardwide General Topic. It deals specifically with personal liberty at the expense of individual privacy. Mongers are at the top of the heap when discussing privacy issues.

I know what he did.

And when he went turned it into a Biden rant you are trying to claim that is not a political statement?

If someone responded by Trashing Trump in comparison I guarantee you he would scream "stop the political insults".

Yes, the issue affects posters here, especially if you live in Thumper territory (like Orlando FL).

TG, I think that, as a poster stated a while back, it comes down to trust. Your phrase "civilians with lots of guns" reminded me of a weekend I had a couple of years ago. I was invited by a friend of a family member to attend an annual guy's shooting weekend. Just a bunch of guys on private property putting holes in cans, splitting pumpkins and downing a lot of beer. I had never met any of them except for the guy who invited me but I felt perfectly comfortable the whole time. I also saw how disciplined the group was. If anyone inadvertently violated a safety rule they were called on it immediately. That brings me back to the guys you spoke of. I didn't have time for an in depth study but I didn't see them doing anything threatening. Being armed, to me is their God given right as enumerated in the Bill of Rights. It is not a privilege granted by government. On the other hand if the guys I had been with had been government employees acting in their official capacity, I would have been very nervous. Maybe it all comes down to who you trust more, the civilian population or the government.

Or the Red Guard

I agree with you that trust is the critical factor. I am not anti-gun, or anti gun-ownership--I would be quite hypocritical if I was. But I also decide my level of trust based upon the context. I have been to gatherings such as you describe, and have no problem with them at all. I have quite enjoyed the ones I have been to, minus the ribbing I generally take for being one of the worst shots.

But when I see photos of a gun-toting group of New Black Panthers outside a voting location in Philadelphia years back--CLEARLY intimidating voters by their presence, and sending a message--I am concerned about the impact on voters. Now I see essentially the same thing in a gun-toting group of MAGA wearing guys outside a state capitol--CLEARLY intimidating legislators by their presence, and sending a message--and I am concerned about the impact on legislation. I also see armed groups violating rules on the size of parties, and threatening a shootout if police show up.

The same people who supported the NBP gun-toting group condemn the current ones. And those who condemned the NBPs praise the current ones. I find both very wrong, and very much a step towards mob rule. I also find it deplorable that for many of the people I hear talk about it their position has no consistence about gun rights, but rather they support gun rights only for those who agree with them.

I am strongly against ANY group that uses guns for intimidation in these ways. I do not see either of these is self defense. Both are a clear "we disagree with the way things are and see no problem in subverting the legal process by implied force". But at least I can appreciate the few people I have heard support BOTH as OK means of expression, or who condemn BOTH.

However when I ask either side to explain the contradiction in their support of one and condemnation of the other it almost always (I only use "almost" because I may not remember one instance--I really do think it has been "always") winds up that they support the people who politically think/look like them, and condemn the group that politically thinks/looks different than them. People essentially say "I am scared of a MAGA guy with a gun, but not scared of a Brother with a gun", or the opposite.

Why on earth would the president of Japan be non-Japanese? Do you know of any country that is not under occupation where that has happened ever?