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Gold Spa/Closed??

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rajhorn

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Dougstone said:
rajhorn, what you are not considering is the money laundering income. This is a cash business. If it wasn't for money laundering, I think most AMP's in the US would close down.
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By money laundering do you mean they take the cash, and make deposits at their legit businesses?

Honestly I've mongered in places like India, and AMPs are nothing compared to IMPs, and TMPs in India. You guys are really repressed. The vast majority of AMPs in America are 50+ providers and GILFs. Makes it totally not worth it.
 
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Happy Jack

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The legitimate licensed massage therapist have been lobbying for this licence on command policy for years.
I have not seen it in writing, but I do know someone that was trying to open a massage parlor somewhere in Morris County, and they were told that starting April 1st of this year, that anyone working in the establishment performing massage, needs to be licensed, and needs to show their licence at the time of any inspections or request to see their licence.
 
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Dougstone

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rajhorn said:
By money laundering do you mean they take the cash, and make deposits at their legit businesses?

Honestly I've mongered in places like India, and AMPs are nothing compared to IMPs, and TMPs in India. You guys are really repressed. The vast majority of AMPs in America are 50+ providers and GILFs. Makes it totally not worth it.
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They take their income and mix it with dirty money then deposit it into their bank accounts. The owners of the spa's are only proxy owners, meaning someone pays them to start the corporation then open the bank accounts. This way, the true owners can hide in the shadows. They usually "layer" the companies. A shell company would own the spa's corporation and another shell company can own the 1st corporation. This keeps the true owners (beneficial owners or get a percentage of the dirty money) well hidden from the spa operations (the laundering businesses). The shell companies transfer the funds through the layers then ultimately transfer the money to banks in another country (mostly Panama because the government and banks are so corrupt there). The US is one of the easiest countries to launder money in. Once the money leaves the country, the IRS can no longer track it. Most of the dirty money being laundered today is Mexican drug money and money from human trafficking.

Congress has been kicking the can down the road for decades in changing the laws to make money laundering more difficult. Because of human trafficking being brought into the spotlight, congress just passed a law that makes those who start up business list who the Beneficial Owners are. We'll see how well that works. If money laundering becomes very difficult to do in the US, human traffickers will just move their operations to another country where laundering is easier. Dirty money is worthless if you can't get it into the banking system.
 
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Dougstone said:
They take their income and mix it with dirty money then deposit it into their bank accounts. The owners of the spa's are only proxy owners, meaning someone pays them to start the corporation then open the bank accounts. This way, the true owners can hide in the shadows. They usually "layer" the companies. A shell company would own the spa's corporation and another shell company can own the 1st corporation. This keeps the true owners (beneficial owners or get a percentage of the dirty money) well hidden from the spa operations (the laundering businesses). The shell companies transfer the funds through the layers then ultimately transfer the money to banks in another country (mostly Panama because the government and banks are so corrupt there). The US is one of the easiest countries to launder money in. Once the money leaves the country, the IRS can no longer track it. Most of the dirty money being laundered today is Mexican drug money and money from human trafficking.

Congress has been kicking the can down the road for decades in changing the laws to make money laundering more difficult. Because of human trafficking being brought into the spotlight, congress just passed a law that makes those who start up business list who the Beneficial Owners are. We'll see how well that works. If money laundering becomes very difficult to do in the US, human traffickers will just move their operations to another country where laundering is easier. Dirty money is worthless if you can't get it into the banking system.
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Thank you for the explanation. Can't say I fully understood it.

I have family members with retail cash businesses as well but they mostly just keep cash as cash and use it for living expenses. That way their legit income in their banks is never touched, and they have no real documented expenses besides credit card bills for large purchases.

I dont understand why cash from MPs cant also just be kept as cash. The only reason to deposit it is I guess if you want to invest in other ways.
 
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Back of the napkin math - 5 girls X $60 HF X 10 hours a day X 365 = $1,095,000. And my guess is that they take a piece of the tip as well since these girls are probably paying back costs for transportation, housing, food, etc. And it's allllll cash!
 
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Dougstone said:
They take their income and mix it with dirty money then deposit it into their bank accounts. The owners of the spa's are only proxy owners, meaning someone pays them to start the corporation then open the bank accounts. This way, the true owners can hide in the shadows. They usually "layer" the companies. A shell company would own the spa's corporation and another shell company can own the 1st corporation. This keeps the true owners (beneficial owners or get a percentage of the dirty money) well hidden from the spa operations (the laundering businesses). The shell companies transfer the funds through the layers then ultimately transfer the money to banks in another country (mostly Panama because the government and banks are so corrupt there). The US is one of the easiest countries to launder money in. Once the money leaves the country, the IRS can no longer track it. Most of the dirty money being laundered today is Mexican drug money and money from human trafficking.

Congress has been kicking the can down the road for decades in changing the laws to make money laundering more difficult. Because of human trafficking being brought into the spotlight, congress just passed a law that makes those who start up business list who the Beneficial Owners are. We'll see how well that works. If money laundering becomes very difficult to do in the US, human traffickers will just move their operations to another country where laundering is easier. Dirty money is worthless if you can't get it into the banking system.
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Interesting. Personally I don't think most of AMPs managements are connected to this chain. Rather they might be thinking they just started their American dream by fluttering flappers.
 
starks43

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MankDick said:
Back of the napkin math - 5 girls X $60 HF X 10 hours a day X 365 = $1,095,000. And my guess is that they take a piece of the tip as well since these girls are probably paying back costs for transportation, housing, food, etc. And it's allllll cash!
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Napkin math seems to be the only thing I care about on this post...

Well back in the day when everything in south hackensack area was russian mob controlled I met a girl who was muslim from Kazikstan so we chatted as she both worked at players AND a local MP (that closed down)According to her , they put 4 girls in a 2bedroom (at that time it was those rundown apts in little ferry where her and 2 other same faith girls stayed) and they had to pay a TOTAL amount of money before and after coming to the states. It was not a cut of what they made.

So Aygerim had to pay 2,000,000 Tenge and then come to the states and pay 100k total.
Which makes no sense to me as how are they making money if the girls work slower and stay in the apartments longer?

Anyway, conservatively if the house has 4 rooms and are open 10 hours. Mon-thurs they will see 5 guys per room per day @60 house fee. Fri-Su they will see 10 per room = 12k/week 48k/mo
I pulled the lease for the now closed green spa. They had a payment of almost 9k per month rounded up to include utilities (8500)

Madam is going to take the charges, so she will have to be paid 5k per month and "Saul Goodman" retainer will be 5k per month
so CONSERVATIVE metrics are the average AMP with an average lease will have an operational plus of 30k per month.
So around 360k per year to be the entity at the top running it all
 
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rajhorn

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starks43 said:
Napkin math seems to be the only thing I care about on this post...

Well back in the day when everything in south hackensack area was russian mob controlled I met a girl who was muslim from Kazikstan so we chatted as she both worked at players AND a local MP (that closed down)According to her , they put 4 girls in a 2bedroom (at that time it was those rundown apts in little ferry where her and 2 other same faith girls stayed) and they had to pay a TOTAL amount of money before and after coming to the states. It was not a cut of what they made.

So Aygerim had to pay 2,000,000 Tenge and then come to the states and pay 100k total.
Which makes no sense to me as how are they making money if the girls work slower and stay in the apartments longer?

Anyway, conservatively if the house has 4 rooms and are open 10 hours. Mon-thurs they will see 5 guys per room per day @60 house fee. Fri-Su they will see 10 per room = 12k/week 48k/mo
I pulled the lease for the now closed green spa. They had a payment of almost 9k per month rounded up to include utilities (8500)

Madam is going to take the charges, so she will have to be paid 5k per month and "Saul Goodman" retainer will be 5k per month
so CONSERVATIVE metrics are the average AMP with an average lease will have an operational plus of 30k per month.
So around 360k per year to be the entity at the top running it all
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Yeah these Russian controlled spas like FBT do have alot of Kazakh girls.

and yeah our math only calculated the gross of around $1M. Obviously no way to know rent, salaries, retainers, construction, and loans.

Either way not a business worth being in due to the fact that you lose everything once busted, as prosecutor also does his calculations and demands restitution. Add on the loss of time, and inability to get a legit job in the future.
 
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