What was expected with opening up of economy...

[BillaBong]

I see all the media reports that the covid infections are rising.. Wasnt that expected and considered in the plan?
Actually, although the numbers are up, they are not exponential like 10 or 100 times than what we had.
Media just keeps warning however they dont have any clue or answer on how to combat this..
Isolation and lockdown are certainly not the answers.. Sweden has survived without a lockdown and they are not doing bad!

 

[Bricktop]

I see all the media reports that the covid infections are rising.. Wasnt that expected and considered in the plan?
Actually, although the numbers are up, they are not exponential like 10 or 100 times than what we had.
Media just keeps warning however they dont have any clue or answer on how to combat this..
Isolation and lockdown are certainly not the answers.. Sweden has survived without a lockdown and they are not doing bad!

Sweden has problems. Big problems. Don’t be like Sweden.

 

[feetguy1]

At this time, Sweden is the worst of the Nordic countries but lower than Britain, Italy and Spain. It may get worst. We'll see what happens.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ed-covid-19-cases-surpass-70000-idUSKBN2431SK

 

[BVBV]

Go to the global Covid list and Sweden and has done far better than almost all of Europe. They are trying the herd immunity theory,will be a good case study when
all the numbers are evaluated when this is over.

 

[maximus799]

From what I understand, the reason for shutting things down was to keep the hospital system from being overwhelmed. Many of the current "hot spots" were only shut down for a month or a little longer before they opened things back up (disregarding the white house's reopening plan). So yes, numbers were expected to rise, but under a controlled amount so as to not overwhelm the hospital system. In places in Texas, those hospitals systems are being overwhelmed, and in other places like Florida we are seeing them set new records for daily cases every day. Clearly not planned.

I do think a full lockdown with a heavy emphasis on mask wearing IS the answer. But the white house administration/cdc/etc. bungled the early response and now we're in this awkward cycle of closing/reopening and dealing with shutdown fatigue. Our population is 33 times that of Sweden, and is much more interconnected internationally so I don't think we should be looking to them for the answer.

 

[krideynyc]

Go to the global Covid list and Sweden and has done far better than almost all of Europe. They are trying the herd immunity theory,will be a good case study when all the numbers are evaluated when this is over.

When this all over, their numbers would be so skewed, it would hard to figure out how to apply it. They fell way behind their anticipated infection schedule by late May, compared to the US at the same time period, which had a more similar results to Herd Immunity than they did. And the numbers for the US today still does.

 

[BillaBong]

Sweden probably has peaked and the projections show infections will decline. This probably will happen here as well, we might see a second wave and will stabilize.
Lockdown is doing more harm than the virus,

 

[krideynyc]

Sweden probably has peaked and the projections show infections will decline. This probably will happen here as well, we might see a second wave and will stabilize.

Interesting observation. Don't agree Sweden has peaked, but their numbers of new cases and deaths are declining. But if they peaked, they failed horribly at Herd Immunity with less than 1% of total population testing positive. We're not seeing the start of a second wave. We're seeing the tail end of the first wave that just picked up again in States that reopened early. There's still a potential, more serious second wave, that coincides with the upcoming Flu Season later this Fall.

Lockdown is doing more harm than the virus,

Only if we don't lockdown again because the numbers keep climbing. And do it again when the real second wave hits.

 

[TGBeldin]

From what I understand, the reason for shutting things down was to keep the hospital system from being overwhelmed. Many of the current "hot spots" were only shut down for a month or a little longer before they opened things back up (disregarding the white house's reopening plan). So yes, numbers were expected to rise, but under a controlled amount so as to not overwhelm the hospital system. In places in Texas, those hospitals systems are being overwhelmed, and in other places like Florida we are seeing them set new records for daily cases every day. Clearly not planned.

I do think a full lockdown with a heavy emphasis on mask wearing IS the answer. But the white house administration/cdc/etc. bungled the early response and now we're in this awkward cycle of closing/reopening and dealing with shutdown fatigue. Our population is 33 times that of Sweden, and is much more interconnected internationally so I don't think we should be looking to them for the answer.

And while Sweden is one data point, so is Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, and many others.

Too bad the "hell no mask" perspective keeps wanting to block out a majority of data points and fixate on one that fits their answer. We need to stop thinking one data point, and a still evolving one at that, answers all the question. Especially when there are other approaches that have done better.

 

[이 회장님]

Here in Korea, you’re not allowed to use public transportation or enter any business without a mask. Also, at every business (including sex establishments), they either check your temperature or they have a camera that checks your body temperature as you enter.

I dropped my niece off at her kindergarten this morning and the teacher was checking the temperature of all the kids and they have to wear masks all day (except when they have lunch).

Also, when they have lunch, they are two meters away from each other and a glass shield separating all of them.

My niece is only four and they have an English verbal test this Friday (colors and numbers). WTF?!? smh.

 

[Dkct]

And while Sweden is one data point, so is Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, and many others.

Too bad the "hell no mask" perspective keeps wanting to block out a majority of data points and fixate on one that fits their answer. We need to stop thinking one data point, and a still evolving one at that, answers all the question. Especially when there are other approaches that have done better.

Like fixating on the data point that the virus is smaller than the weave of your mask?

 

[Bricktop]

Go to the global Covid list and Sweden and has done far better than almost all of Europe. They are trying the herd immunity theory,will be a good case study when
all the numbers are evaluated when this is over.

I have family in Norway and NO ONE wants to go to Sweden. NOBoDY.

 

[TGBeldin]

Like fixating on the data point that the virus is smaller than the weave of your mask?

But--again--the mask protects others, not the wearer, by retarding the velocity and dispersal of your cough/sneeze. And the virus is typically contained in the fluids, so limiting their transmission reduces the infection rate. Even if FL is too stupid (or egotistical) to admit it because he thinks it will harm his reelection--and we all know that is ALL he cares about.

 

[krideynyc]

But--again--the mask protects others, not the wearer, by retarding the velocity and dispersal of your cough/sneeze. And the virus is typically contained in the fluids, so limiting their transmission reduces the infection rate.

And often forgotten is if both people wear masks, it compounds the protection and makes it even harder for the virus to get in.

 

[BillaBong]

But--again--the mask protects others, not the wearer, by retarding the velocity and dispersal of your cough/sneeze. And the virus is typically contained in the fluids, so limiting their transmission reduces the infection rate. Even if FL is too stupid (or egotistical) to admit it because he thinks it will harm his reelection--and we all know that is ALL he cares about.

Why doesnt it protect the wearer? I think it would against sneezes from others!