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TMI ( too much information)
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Found it and I really feel for the business owner who had to shut down twice within a month. That is quite a setback for any business.
All I can say guys is that I have been reprimanded by providers in the past so I have really toned down the reviews to the point where you would probably have to PM me to find out what really went on.
When giving reviews, you should definitely tell us about the spa condition. You should tell us the provider names, ESTIMATED AGE, trust me when I tell you that you are usually wrong, How the provider looks and dresses. What the house fee is. Was the shower good, was it FRIENDLY. How was the TM, did it last long" was it good, oil, no oil.
After that, all we need to know is if there is an ST and was the ST extended for a decent amount of time. Once I know the woman excels at ST, I can read between the lines and understand what is going on based on the spa name. There is absolutely no need for you to brag about your exploits as an anonymous person to a bunch of other anonymous people. We should all be adults on this site. As such, we should be able to describe our experiences without all of the detail.
When I tell you my wife was actually a little more active than her usual self. I did not tell you one thing at all about our wonderful experience but you guys already had all of the details imagined in your head because you already understand why you are on this site.
LESS IS MORE GENTLEMEN. Write reviews whenever you get the chance but their is absolutely no reason for you to kiss and tell.
All I can say guys is that I have been reprimanded by providers in the past so I have really toned down the reviews to the point where you would probably have to PM me to find out what really went on.
When giving reviews, you should definitely tell us about the spa condition. You should tell us the provider names, ESTIMATED AGE, trust me when I tell you that you are usually wrong, How the provider looks and dresses. What the house fee is. Was the shower good, was it FRIENDLY. How was the TM, did it last long" was it good, oil, no oil.
After that, all we need to know is if there is an ST and was the ST extended for a decent amount of time. Once I know the woman excels at ST, I can read between the lines and understand what is going on based on the spa name. There is absolutely no need for you to brag about your exploits as an anonymous person to a bunch of other anonymous people. We should all be adults on this site. As such, we should be able to describe our experiences without all of the detail.
When I tell you my wife was actually a little more active than her usual self. I did not tell you one thing at all about our wonderful experience but you guys already had all of the details imagined in your head because you already understand why you are on this site.
LESS IS MORE GENTLEMEN. Write reviews whenever you get the chance but their is absolutely no reason for you to kiss and tell.
Charliebrown you make good points, but on the flip side, I read thru that JVS thread, didn't decide to post there, but... I looked up the site, and despite he killed the links, if you use google you can find it. The pics JJ had on there? Mostly ass shots without heads in thongs or lingerie. LE intelligence varies just like the civilian world but generally they aren't so dumb as to not be able to google a Spa and check out its website. Hell, they caught DreddPirateRoberts using google and put him in jail for life (the silk road guy if you aren't familiar). While in that thread JJ says the reviews are the issue, and his sexy website pics aren't, how does he know that? If so, he did not disclose. No matter the explicit details or not, it's pretty clear what is a legit massage and what isn't from most reviews. Unless the format changes to only allow basic info and a yes or no rec, LE can still use these site reviews as probable cause. Mongers perhaps should tone it down, but in a vacuum where a website for the biz exists that clearly advertises T&A on there, saying reviews was the issue is his opinion and nothing more...
I can't disagree with that, but, let's be logical... any info at all could be used as a starting point. The requirement for probable cause doesn't take much. I'm sure an argument could be made even if there are no graphic details at all. Whether or not it would ultimately hold up in court, who knows, but as we have seen in the past (perfect example, Bob Kraft situation) if LE wants to use minimal info and or a "ruse" to gather evidence they do. I'm not telling fellow hobbyists to be graphic in detail but IMO just having a review site could potentially be used against an establishment. On the flip side, despite a massive amount of reviews on locations across the country, most parlors operate without an issue. That pretty much says it all. Unless a national push is made to shut down all these businesses, a few will go and more will come take their place. That's the cycle of the AMP world as I've seen it over a decade. It sucks for JJ but his own actions with the pics he posted on his site are equal or worse than random people posting their experiences.
Jim ... insightful and well thought out reply.. I agree with you on many points... specifically the posting of lascivious photos on open advertising sites.. JVS didn’t just get shut down because of explicit forum posts but they didn’t help..it probably got shut down because of complaints and the mob of Monger traffic that was going on around the Store... If there was a no walk-in policy in place and regulated customer traffic things might have been different...the mob scene always risks complaints for many reasons and if the store is in a poor location inevitably leads to a bust.. I don’t know that this was truly a “ bust” which I doubt . Haven’t seen any News coverage to indicate it was .. but discretion is always the advisable route to follow for owner and customer alike..” Don’t piss off the locals or the natives “.. and things will usually fall into a routine... Piss someone off and there’s always trouble... remember all “politics are local”.. and the locals need to be managed..
It’s not just photos in ads that can attract the wrong attention. It’s overly-graphic reviews on sites because certain people assume incorrectly that LE won’t post a fake review for full access or pay for full access. It’s comments that are publicly discoverable via Google (including, in the past, certain full reviews) and which draw the wrong kind of attention from LE, neighbors, SO, and community groups. It’s election year politics. It’s news stories about trafficking in one state that can lead to task forces in another (such as the current trafficking task force in Montgomery County, PA). It’s mongers who loiter in neighborhoods and parking lots while waiting their “turn.” The list goes on and on.
... I’m not an attorney however, aren’t the postings on the various forums here say written by aspiring “authors” with pseudonyms about liaisons with anonymous ladies named Kiki, Coco,Jenni, Rubi etc.
.. a would find it difficult to verify much truth before a judge when trying to obtain any kind of warrant based on the source..
.. just sayin’ but I would be interested in hearing from any contributors who know about such matters...
.. a would find it difficult to verify much truth before a judge when trying to obtain any kind of warrant based on the source..
.. just sayin’ but I would be interested in hearing from any contributors who know about such matters...
You don't need a warrant to investigate; a detective who knows the line between probable cause and engaging in illegal activity. Then they get their warrant. I'm not a criminal lawyer, but my recollection is that hearsay cannot support probable cause for a warrant. I'm sure someone a bit more educated will tell me if I'm wrong.
These forums may be discovered by enraged spouses and neighbors who place pressure on local officials, but I really doubt they do much more than that toward bringing a place down.
These forums may be discovered by enraged spouses and neighbors who place pressure on local officials, but I really doubt they do much more than that toward bringing a place down.
You are wrong about hearsay and search warrants. While inadmissible at trial, hearsay can be used as the basis for issuing a search warrant so long as the circumstances in their totality establish probable cause. Posts containing TMI can certainly be used to support issuance of a search warrant, especially when combined with other information that can be ascertained through ordinary investigation and which add up to establish probable cause.