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Taking them off the market

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Chiparlor

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I did it twice so far assisting them off the market. I did not learn lessons and ended no consequences because I drafted Cohabitation Agreement (CA) first and gave her an option to agree with the CA or take the highway.

I asked them to leave twice and the CA protected my assets and myself because both ladies violated our CA.

As you are reading right now, I have a C girl who wants to get out of the market. My CA is done with few tweaks. As soon as she is ready, I will meet her and hand over the CA for her to take it to her Attorney and let her make the final decision whether she agree to it after her consultation.
 
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Chiparlor said:
I did it twice so far assisting them off the market. I did not learn lessons and ended no consequences because I drafted Cohabitation Agreement (CA) first and gave her an option to agree with the CA or take the highway.

I asked them to leave twice and the CA protected my assets and myself because both ladies violated our CA.

As you are reading right now, I have a C girl who wants to get out of the market. My CA is done with few tweaks. As soon as she is ready, I will meet her and hand over the CA for her to take it to her Attorney and let her make the final decision whether she agree to it after her consultation.
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Its NY state. How secure is a CA in a legal aspect. I know under certain terms for example such as a prenup can be voided if you do not disclose all your assets.
 
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didi88 said:
Yeah of course it all costs money, lol.. it’s the amount which is important. It was early on in my mongering career, and I didn’t realize how much this would cost taking care of one girl. Rent, school, debts, shopping...you need to have lots of extra cash to do this. Learned my lesson..
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didi88 said:
Yeah of course it all costs money, lol.. it’s the amount which is important. It was early on in my mongering career, and I didn’t realize how much this would cost taking care of one girl. Rent, school, debts, shopping...you need to have lots of extra cash to do this. Learned my lesson..
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This is where CA is in place. Two providers who lived with me, my decision, did not have to pay for rent and utilities. We split 50/50 on food. She take care of her personal belongings such as make up and clothes. The above are few examples. There are more stipulations in place.
 
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AutomaticSlim said:
I'd have to keep reminding myself of the past disasters.
But yeah, it would be difficult for a Miki level opportunity...
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I think savvy guys can tell the difference between obvious headcases and good women. Miki, Jelly, and a few others, I would consider good women who want a nice settled life, tho not exempt from any normal levels of female craziness. Others like Shasha, Pinky, etc have psychological or drug issues that makes them a terrible partner, despite being amazing sexually/physically. Currently available Cherry...I think a lot would say she's a headcase and it's probably true, but I could see her settling down.
 
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headsup said:
We must remember.
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In general, this is an astute maxim. For the very attractive gals, they can easily pick up guys at a bar/club and since this is NYC, finding HNWIs isn't a difficult task.

The truth is that most high-value guys (who are stable) won't consider a provider as a viable long-term option, and most providers (who are stable) won't consider their clients as viable long-term options.

Of course, there are exceptions to this rule (as with any rule),

For the guys who decided to go down this road with a provider - what was the primary factor that contributed to the demise of the relationship?
 
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Zzzz said:
In general, this is an astute maxim. For the very attractive gals, they can easily pick up guys at a bar/club and since this is NYC, finding HNWIs isn't a difficult task.

The truth is that most high-value guys (who are stable) won't consider a provider as a viable long-term option, and most providers (who are stable) won't consider their clients as viable long-term options.

Of course, there are exceptions to this rule (as with any rule),

For the guys who decided to go down this road with a provider - what was the primary factor that contributed to the demise of the relationship?
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OK. I'll offer up my experiences as an example of what not to do.

#1 was a very cute 20 y/o from Brooklyn who worked a well known incall shop in Manhattan. She was also a shameless druggie who would lie like no tomorrow. Thus the demise. This was in the late 90s. She was white American from very poor family background. No father. Mother a druggie. Raised by grandmother who looked like Lou Duva and cursed like a sailor from the 40s.

#2 was also a terrible liar ever. One of the worst I have ever met. She worked another well known incall in Manhattan. She was no idiot, and eventually completed nursing school. She was also somewhat insane and hell bent on getting married. She was very good at getting me to feel sorry for her. Crying was her weapon. She was an expert with it. She was Dominican American. Pretty. Like a cross between Jessica Alba and Zoey Saldana. Better upbringing than #1, but still f-ed up. Father taught her to be a parasite. She learned well. This was in 2004 to 05.

#3 was probably the best person of this group. Genuinely felt guilty about asking me for money and I believe it. Was a Mama-san! Started on the floor at a well known 2 rose AMP back in 06. Then started her own AMP. But she was too old (33 when I was 40 -- originally told me she was 26) and not pretty enough (a 6). She also REFUSED to get out of the business even when she was losing money. Kept hanging on to the belief that she would eventually make it. Like a gambler at the race track. She was Korean, but for about a year kept telling me she was Japanese, even though I knew she was Korean. Haven't seen her since '09, although I know from other girls she was still around in 2014/15.

#4 was the by far most damaging. Korean. Worked very upscale AMP for only 3 months. Stayed with me for a week after her 3 month tour was up and had a great NY metro area stay-cation together. Flew to Korea to see her 4 months later in summer 2011 for a fantastic vacation. Was all downhill after that. Went back to Korea 3 times. Did moronic things in the idiotic hope that this was a real "relationship". It wasn't. Another expert at making me feel sorry for her. Took me a long time to come to my senses and see things for what they really were.

And then I finally learned my lesson.

One consolation is that I cheated on all of them.
Pretty much constantly.
Another is that I never even considered marrying any of them.
Although 2 (especially 2), 3 and 4 all wanted that at one point. Thank God I had the sense to avoid it.

Guys, don't do it.
Just don't.
There are worse things than being lonely.
Much, much worse things.

In the end, I am fine. Still doing what I want and have all I need. I cannot say the same for them.
 
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AutomaticSlim said:
OK. I'll offer up my experiences as an example of what not to do.

#1 was a very cute 20 y/o from Brooklyn who worked a well known incall shop in Manhattan. She was also a shameless druggie who would lie like no tomorrow. Thus the demise. This was in the late 90s. She was white American from very poor family background. No father. Mother a druggie. Raised by grandmother who looked like Lou Duva and cursed like a sailor from the 40s.

#2 was also a terrible liar ever. One of the worst I have ever met. She worked another well known incall in Manhattan. She was no idiot, and eventually completed nursing school. She was also somewhat insane and hell bent on getting married. She was very good at getting me to feel sorry for her. Crying was her weapon. She was an expert with it. She was Dominican American. Pretty. Like a cross between Jessica Alba and Zoey Saldana. Better upbringing than #1, but still f-ed up. Father taught her to be a parasite. She learned well. This was in 2004 to 05.

#3 was probably the best person of this group. Genuinely felt guilty about asking me for money and I believe it. Was a Mama-san! Started on the floor at a well known 2 rose AMP back in 06. Then started her own AMP. But she was too old (33 when I was 40 -- originally told me she was 26) and not pretty enough (a 6). She also REFUSED to get out of the business even when she was losing money. Kept hanging on to the belief that she would eventually make it. Like a gambler at the race track. She was Korean, but for about a year kept telling me she was Japanese, even though I knew she was Korean. Haven't seen her since '09, although I know from other girls she was still around in 2014/15.

#4 was the by far most damaging. Korean. Worked very upscale AMP for only 3 months. Stayed with me for a week after her 3 month tour was up and had a great NY metro area stay-cation together. Flew to Korea to see her 4 months later in summer 2011 for a fantastic vacation. Was all downhill after that. Went back to Korea 3 times. Did moronic things in the idiotic hope that this was a real "relationship". It wasn't. Another expert at making me feel sorry for her. Took me a long time to come to my senses and see things for what they really were.

And then I finally learned my lesson.

One consolation is that I cheated on all of them.
Pretty much constantly.
Another is that I never even considered marrying any of them.
Although 2 (especially 2), 3 and 4 all wanted that at one point. Thank God I had the sense to avoid it.

Guys, don't do it.
Just don't.
There are worse things than being lonely.
Much, much worse things.

In the end, I am fine. Still doing what I want and have all I need. I cannot say the same for them.
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Interesting experiences. Thanks for sharing. How much would you estimate you spent on each one of these girls? Just curious
 
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I am the opposite. They spend their greens and gifts on me. Network with them regardless of their lies is very beneficial and very powerful in my eyes.

That is all I could share at this moment. My biggest credit goes to Monger Abraham Lincoln because he introduced me to a provider. This is where I have been going further and further on my network base.
 
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I’ll share one as well. Met a beautiful, young-looking Chinese girl in a West side FS place (real age was30). About 5’2” with natural C’s. She’d only been working for less than a month. She seemed like she was interested in getting out of this business and I thought she would make a great side-chick, so I offered to help her out. We began meeting regularly in her apt and going out together as well. It was good. Sex was great, she spoke decent English, and she had a playful personality. Problem was I subsequently learned she had a lot of debts, and foolishly, I agreed to help her out with that. After a period of time, I began to realize that I was going to wind up paying part of that, as well as her rent and school costs. I hung in there for longer than I should have, spent A LOT of $$$, but eventually it just became too much. I think we actually had an emotional connection to some extent, which made it harder to break things off. And I also had some guilt because she had become so dependent on me. Of course deep down I knew she could always find someone else without a lot of difficulty, but still there was a good connection. She knew I was married so there was no future with me. Eventually I ended it. Gave her a final parting gift, and said goodbye. I stayed in touch with her afterwards though. She eventually moved to the West Coast, opened a nail salon, and is slowly paying off her debts. It was a good experience with her while it lasted, but, of course with these girls, there’s no free lunch..
 
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