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Review: Celine - CA

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Title: Review: Celine - CA
Date: Nov 16, 2022
Phone: (408) 797-8536
City: Sunnyvale
State: CA
Location: Golden Triangle
Age Estimate: 35
Nationality: Korean
Physical Description: Saggy MM? Ds with flat nipples, 15-20 lbs overweight spinner, flat ass, lumpy fat tire around waist destroys any sexy curves, face is wider, and less attractive than her face in pics (see text).

Recommendation: No
 

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I see I see. She has been quite popular, difficult to book I tried multiple times already. Maybe it was ok after all that I was not successful. Caraangels is VERY hit and miss, leaning towards more miss than hits. Except Jade and Sharon. And Jade is just insanely amazing; she listens to my sorrows when I am down, celebrates with me when I am happy, chills out with me when I just want to shut down my brain. I love Jade's laugh and her kindness.
Who were we talking about again, sorry I got into another Jade tangent
 

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Actually, the bigger problem wasn't Celine's hot fake pics a common problem, but 3 of 4 reviews on TER said the pics were accurate, and even the one TER review with no physical description rated her looks 7 and said she was young.

The previous ampreviews review of Celine (most of which is private and can't discuss) was similar to the TER reviews. I even asked if pics were accurate and haven't got an answer.

What's the point of reviews if they won't say the provider is really worse looking than the pics?

But the great thing about ampreviews are the comments (if you can get them). They seem to be better, less distorted, more useful, more honest than the reviews. It seems mongers will make specific negative comments about providers that they won't write reviews about.
 

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Actually, the bigger problem wasn't Celine's hot fake pics a common problem, but 3 of 4 reviews on TER said the pics were accurate, and even the one TER review with no physical description rated her looks 7 and said she was young.

The previous ampreviews review of Celine (most of which is private and can't discuss) was similar to the TER reviews. I even asked if pics were accurate and haven't got an answer.

What's the point of reviews if they won't say the provider is really worse looking than the pics?

But the great thing about ampreviews are the comments (if you can get them). They seem to be better, less distorted, more useful, more honest than the reviews. It seems mongers will make specific negative comments about providers that they won't write reviews about.
Oh that is me, absolutely. For some weird reason, when I write a review, I get super high or something, and I am nicer than usual. But when I do quick comments, I am usually more objective and more ok to be negative.

I dunno, when I am writing a review, I am just reliving all the fun stuff, and glossing over the negative stuff. But when I write comments, I am not high on nostalgia, and just wanna chime in a bit on something
 

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Oh that is me, absolutely. For some weird reason, when I write a review, I get super high or something, and I am nicer than usual. But when I do quick comments, I am usually more objective and more ok to be negative.

I dunno, when I am writing a review, I am just reliving all the fun stuff, and glossing over the negative stuff. But when I write comments, I am not high on nostalgia, and just wanna chime in a bit on something
Thanks for the feedback. I applaud your detailed self awareness for these different emotional states. Yeah, that's my take that guys mostly write reviews as reliving of good sex, one of the strongest positive emotional experiences. I think it's like bragging. It also leads to selection bias, where only overall positive experiences are reviewed, and negative ones not so much, because who wants to relive a negative experience?

However, if you like are reading about another monger trying to avoid getting burned, you can redeem your previous negative experience by commenting on it, so as to feel good about helping another monger, feel less alone in your struggle, etc.

The other related issue I'm trying to understand is positive review selection bias where negative experience reporting might be 1/10 or less of review reporting for positive experiences
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I applaud your detailed self awareness for these different emotional states. Yeah, that's my take that guys mostly write reviews as reliving of good sex, one of the strongest positive emotional experiences. I think it's like bragging. It also leads to selection bias, where only overall positive experiences are reviewed, and negative ones not so much, because who wants to relive a negative experience?

However, if you like are reading about another monger trying to avoid getting burned, you can redeem your previous negative experience by commenting on it, so as to feel good about helping another monger, feel less alone in your struggle, etc.

The other related issue I'm trying to understand is positive review selection bias where negative experience reporting might be 1/10 or less of review reporting for positive experiences
Also, whenever I write a review, it is usually like right after the appt, so the details are super fresh. And right after the appt, I am still super high from all the sex endorphins going through my head; I am literally not thinking straight.

When I see a bad provider, I am so pissed I don't even want to think about it, and I don't want to relive it, don't want to think about it. At least on the day the appt happened, I just want to think about something else, a different girl to book.

By the time all the bad vibes are gone, it is the next day, and I forgot all the details I need to write a detailed review. And I am too lazy to do so.

So, at least for me, writing review is a somewhat selfish thing, as a thing to enjoy, a hobby.

If it is not enjoyable, I am less likely to do it, I am very human.

But even if my details are too fuzzy for a detailed review, I love to chime in with comments on others' reviews to support or correct tiny points, cuz I like the social aspect of it all.

And once it has been days and days after the bad appt, it is much easier to share about my bad experiences, given all the negative initial emotions are gone, and I can be very objective in sharing my bad opinions more freely without feeling butt hurt or the sting of buyers remorse.

What a conundrum
 

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Also, whenever I write a review, it is usually like right after the appt, so the details are super fresh. And right after the appt, I am still super high from all the sex endorphins going through my head; I am literally not thinking straight.

When I see a bad provider, I am so pissed I don't even want to think about it, and I don't want to relive it, don't want to think about it. At least on the day the appt happened, I just want to think about something else, a different girl to book.

By the time all the bad vibes are gone, it is the next day, and I forgot all the details I need to write a detailed review. And I am too lazy to do so.

So, at least for me, writing review is a somewhat selfish thing, as a thing to enjoy, a hobby.

If it is not enjoyable, I am less likely to do it, I am very human.

But even if my details are too fuzzy for a detailed review, I love to chime in with comments on others' reviews to support or correct tiny points, cuz I like the social aspect of it all.

And once it has been days and days after the bad appt, it is much easier to share about my bad experiences, given all the negative initial emotions are gone, and I can be very objective in sharing my bad opinions more freely without feeling butt hurt or the sting of buyers remorse.

What a conundrum
I agree, especially the social aspect of commenting, where everyone gets to chime in. But, note it's real time, moderated only after posting. If you delay it to moderate before posting it destroys the dialog, the group participation. It's this commenting makes ampreviews have traction against TER, even though it's a lot younger in the market, and even though TER has more reviews. TER can take up to 3 days to post.
 

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It surprises me with this double standard of rating these girl who are seeing multiple people too whom are far less attractive than they are. Being berated like this. For one, pics are fairly accurate. Good ol PS as usual and this has been like that for years.

I wonder what the girls talk about some old ass with saggy ass balls, bad ass breathe but you know what they deal with it cuz you paid for a service.

People avoid peach or go to see peach girls already knowing pics are fake. Also C orgs. What's the difference between PS photos when they are far more closer in image than fake pics from C orgs or Peach or some other orgs. Your complaints of pics and pointing them to one girl is very stupid IMO.

Keep the FBSA ratings sure but bro, your ugly ass needs to see some girl to get your dick suck prolly cuz your ass is ugly and fat and can't get no girl. So write a review.of.your service descript of body and face for sure but don't go so far as to body shame someone. Just wow bro. Just wow. Also your TER reviews are just the same. Literally body shaming all these girls who put their body up for sale. Feel free to do the same my guy and let the girls who won't see you talk shit about you.
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I applaud your detailed self awareness for these different emotional states. Yeah, that's my take that guys mostly write reviews as reliving of good sex, one of the strongest positive emotional experiences. I think it's like bragging. It also leads to selection bias, where only overall positive experiences are reviewed, and negative ones not so much, because who wants to relive a negative experience?

However, if you like are reading about another monger trying to avoid getting burned, you can redeem your previous negative experience by commenting on it, so as to feel good about helping another monger, feel less alone in your struggle, etc.

The other related issue I'm trying to understand is positive review selection bias where negative experience reporting might be 1/10 or less of review reporting for positive experiences
If you have been on TER long enough, you know which reviewers to completely disregard. Also a huge red flag is when a reviewer always gives 8s and 9s to every girl. I hate these kind of reviewers as you can never know what girls are good or bad.
 

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If you have been on TER long enough, you know which reviewers to completely disregard. Also a huge red flag is when a reviewer always gives 8s and 9s to every girl. I hate these kind of reviewers as you can never know what girls are good or bad.
Yea a lot of reviews are fake. There are a lot more spectators than participants in this hobby. Most people write fake reviews just to maintain an active member status to see other people’s reviews. That is why there are so many short single paragraph reviews that provide absolutely no content.
 

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It surprises me with this double standard of rating these girl who are seeing multiple people too whom are far less attractive than they are. Being berated like this. For one, pics are fairly accurate. Good ol PS as usual and this has been like that for years.

I wonder what the girls talk about some old ass with saggy ass balls, bad ass breathe but you know what they deal with it cuz you paid for a service.

People avoid peach or go to see peach girls already knowing pics are fake. Also C orgs. What's the difference between PS photos when they are far more closer in image than fake pics from C orgs or Peach or some other orgs. Your complaints of pics and pointing them to one girl is very stupid IMO.

Keep the FBSA ratings sure but bro, your ugly ass needs to see some girl to get your dick suck prolly cuz your ass is ugly and fat and can't get no girl. So write a review.of.your service descript of body and face for sure but don't go so far as to body shame someone. Just wow bro. Just wow. Also your TER reviews are just the same. Literally body shaming all these girls who put their body up for sale. Feel free to do the same my guy and let the girls who won't see you talk shit about you.
Have you seen Celine? Why don't you write a review? The mods have articulated that rather than criticise the review, you should write your own.

Your comment "your ugly ass needs to see some girl to get your dick suck prolly cuz your ass is ugly and fat and can't get no girl" I actually have a nice, no fat ass, several girl friends have told me so.

I am sympathetic to the provider's situation, and think they are more than fairly compensated for the inequities which I suspect are less than in Korea. I think the physical risks the providers take are a bigger issue for them than getting criticitised over being too fat in the wrong places. I suspect they have a thick skin about it, but not so thick that they can't get
liposuction if need be.

But I don't want to neglect how mongers get short changed, and ampreviews is a review site for mongers, and not a support group for providers.

Your allegiance should be to other mongers who you understand better, rather than fighting for the provider not getting fat shamed, something which is probably completely irrelevent. And, likely to have opposite effects.

What's the point of ampreviews if you can't identify in detail how unattractively fat a provider is? Being too fat is probably the dominate issue that makes a formerly attractive provider unattractive. But Celine being too fat, likely she can correct since her pics show her slim at some point?
Maybe she doesn't know being too fat is hurting her business, if it's not mentioned in most of the reviews? This is one of the key distortions.

It may be that most like me think she's too fat and won't repeat for that reason, but if only 1 in 5 reviews say she's too fat, she will incorrectly assume only 1 in 5 mongers think her too fat when it may be 90% think her too fat. But because hardly anyone writes a negative review say 1% out of the 90%, while of the 10% who like her, maybe half will write a positive review which gives a 1 bad to 5 good reviews ratio.

So, by discouraging mongers who accurately report she is too fat, you keep her from learning that, so she can improve her business and you burn future mongers.

I have more to say on these distortions, in a separate post.
 

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Yea a lot of reviews are fake. There are a lot more spectators than participants in this hobby. Most people write fake reviews just to maintain an active member status to see other people’s reviews. That is why there are so many short single paragraph reviews that provide absolutely no content.
I agree with you about the short single paragraph reviews. The longer a review the easier it is tell it's made up. I think the faking guys won't answer questions or do comment about a provider for fear of betraying themselves.

Although I think a few longer reviews are fake, especially first one or two glowing reviews of a new provider to help kick start her since even if good it takes a few weeks to get reviews going. However, I've been pretty reluctant to blame any monger for shilling since I can't find a pattern of suspicious behavior.

For example, the first review of Celine on ampreviews basically says she looks like her pics (can't do more detail without disclosing private info) which is in complete disagreement with my experience. (He didn't answer if her pics were accurate). But, when I search the first reviewer's past reviews and comments, he seems perfectly credible as a real monger.

Other times, I've similarly been unable to resolve this type of contradiction. Also, I've never for sure found a long fake review, short ones yes.

It did just occur to me that maybe Cara's Angeles didn't send me to Celine, but some 10 year older version. I hadn't seen anyome at Cara's since last Dec. I also didn't have any difficulty pre-booking at noon, the day before which is not what I would expect. Maybe since they didn't think me a regular what was the harm. I also got kind of a snarky response from the PO, over the 11 month since last appointment. Although the woman's face I was sent to did trigger recognition of Celine in pics, although different, but it could be a fake recognition.

The other explanation is that Celine's service is so good that guys don't actually remember what she looks like and have to use her pics as reference. John6615 pointed out that if you have a good experience, in the warm glow you aren't very objective or critical, everything is good, rather the negative experience makes you more objective. (As to why...)

After a good experience first time, I can't remember a lot of physical details, like how much fat on stomach. I only notice things that push my buttons, like too much stomach fat, it ripples when bending over, or she's sniffling. I only notice things like what her butt is like if I consciously remind myself to look at her butt, what shape, how much stomach fat, what it looks like when she bends over. I usually remember what her boobs are like because they are important.

I also think that if guys have a really good service experience, the provider becomes more beautiful, and that they don't need to be accurate in description, they don't want to say anything negative, but will actually make up positive stuff about her, since no one will challenge them on the their experience.

Guys don't like to write negative reviews about a provider because they might get challenged like I did, but also since they don't want to dwell on a bad experience.

I'm repeating.
 

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It surprises me with this double standard of rating these girl who are seeing multiple people too whom are far less attractive than they are. Being berated like this. For one, pics are fairly accurate. Good ol PS as usual and this has been like that for years.

I wonder what the girls talk about some old ass with saggy ass balls, bad ass breathe but you know what they deal with it cuz you paid for a service.
You've answered your question yourself. There is no double standard because one side gets paid to do something they might not like, but the other side pays for something they like. No customer wants to pay for something they don't like. The end.

bro, your ugly ass needs to see some girl to get your dick suck prolly cuz your ass is ugly and fat and can't get no girl.
Really, ad hominem out of thin air since you've never seen him (as opposed to him actually seeing the girl)? Wow.

Feel free to do the same my guy and let the girls who won't see you talk shit about you.
The girls get Benjamins. They can talk all the shit they want. What they can't do is object to honest and truthful reviews that call spade a spade. Because this means they put money over truth.
 
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