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"Raw/BB Sex with Provider"

findinit

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Not judging at all and, as always, "to each his own", but...
LOLing at guys who think club sluts and girls on SA are any "safer" for BBFS than professional girls.
I see your point, but I take a different view on this. For girls on SA you may be right, but for civilians I think there is a still quite a difference in risk. A professional can easily see 3-6 clients per day. Even the most promiscuous civilian (a "club slut") would have trouble keeping up with that number. 50, 60, maybe 120 lifetime partners vs that many in a month or two. So that's the math.

There is also the self selection factor. Clients who risk BBFS are by inference a more risk-averse cohort. They may even already have an incurable STD ('nothing to lose') that they give zero fucks about spreading. So from a sex worker's perspective, BBFS with a client carries elevated risk. Similarly, we can infer that sex workers willing to allow it are also more risk-averse, likely for the same reasons. They are partners in reckless stupidity.

We also overestimate the promiscuity of "club sluts". If she is hot, she is probably very selective. She may be promiscuous, but not with average schmucks. She's a slut with the 20% of men that make it past her random dick defense system. While it is true that a "club slut" in her 20s can go pretty wild, and the men she goes wild with are probably not the most savory bunch, I bet the number is lower than the little-head thinks when they walk by in the tight dress and super heels.

Me personally I NEVER go raw with random girls, and I would NEEEEEEEEVER go raw with a sex worker.
 

asianampman

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There was some good reading on here. I always wonder how often the service providers get tested. I do not participate in BBFS much any more but have gone BBCIM often in the past few years. Removing the condom at the end, the intensity after CIM drives me nuts. As I age, perhaps I should rethink that ending. Yeah, I need to address that situation.
 

AutomaticSlim

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In my opinion, Korea is good for mongering. But the quality of life is not as good as here in the States (e.g. too crowded, air pollution, traffic 24/7, etc).
The 13 hour flight doesn't help either...:)

Even though I have been there a number of times, I have never tried the mongering, as I was there with a girl.
Was tempted in Busan though. Was going to sneak out of the Paradise Hotel after she fell asleep to visit a place with a "Thai Massage" sign, but didn't do it.
From what you've written above, I'm thinking I should give it another go.
 

Shibsaeggi

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The 13 hour flight doesn't help either...:)

Even though I have been there a number of times, I have never tried the mongering, as I was there with a girl.
Was tempted in Busan though. Was going to sneak out of the Paradise Hotel after she fell asleep to visit a place with a "Thai Massage" sign, but didn't do it.
From what you've written above, I'm thinking I should give it another go.
I agree with you about the long 13-hour flight. :)

One time in Korea, my girlfriend fell asleep and I sneaked out for fun. I was a bit drunk as well. I did my deed and I came back home and my girl was awake. I went to the bedroom to change while she was in the bathroom. I noticed that I wore my underwear backwards so I immediately switched it over. Close call. lol.
 

findinit

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The MPs is a bit different from here.

It is a two-hour session for 180,000 won (around 150 USD). You first get a full body massage from an old blind lady.

After that, you have a sex with a provider in her 20s. BBBJ, BBBJCIM, BBFS, DFK, 69, Fingering, Anal, etc.

These places do allow non-Koreans but they will charge more. So it’s better to go with a Korean friend so you pay the same price as the others.
Whoa so it's like having a fluffer.
 

Rombulous

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Went to Corona sexual health center in the afternoon around 230pm. Not exactly anonymous and you fill out questionnaire. But in and out in 1 hour I happened to be in the area so decided to test it out.

They do a rapid HIV test finger prick and no co-pay with health insurance card. The catch is it's only somewhat accurate going back 4 weeks at the soonest and 99.999% accurate if going back 3 months. So if you test negative now and went raw 2 weeks ago it may not pick it up.

Everyone was cordial, polite and prompt. It wasn't crowded at all I guess for this location mornings may be busier?

Anyway rest of results (Syphilis/Chlaymdia/Gonorrhea) coming back the week after next. I don't have any symptoms so likely the rest will be negative.

The only catch is they don't seem to test for Trichomoniasis or Mycoplasma/Mycobacterium or common (self infected) UTI.
 

Rombulous

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Went to Corona sexual health center in the afternoon around 230pm. Not exactly anonymous and you fill out questionnaire. But in and out in 1 hour I happened to be in the area so decided to test it out.

They do a rapid HIV test finger prick and no co-pay with health insurance card. The catch is it's only somewhat accurate going back 4 weeks at the soonest and 99.999% accurate if going back 3 months. So if you test negative now and went raw 2 weeks ago it may not pick it up.

Everyone was cordial, polite and prompt. It wasn't crowded at all I guess for this location mornings may be busier?

Anyway rest of results (Syphilis/Chlaymdia/Gonorrhea) coming back the week after next. I don't have any symptoms so likely the rest will be negative. I am just retesting these after the early detection test (72 hours) came back negative for Gonorrhea/Chlaymdia/Trich.

The only catch is they don't seem to test for Trichomoniasis or Mycoplasma/Mycobacterium or common (self infected) UTI. They apparently only test for Hep A/C if yourself a drug user or Gay.
 

Already21

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I see your point, but I take a different view on this. For girls on SA you may be right, but for civilians I think there is a still quite a difference in risk. A professional can easily see 3-6 clients per day. Even the most promiscuous civilian (a "club slut") would have trouble keeping up with that number. 50, 60, maybe 120 lifetime partners vs that many in a month or two. So that's the math.

There is also the self selection factor. Clients who risk BBFS are by inference a more risk-averse cohort. They may even already have an incurable STD ('nothing to lose') that they give zero fucks about spreading. So from a sex worker's perspective, BBFS with a client carries elevated risk. Similarly, we can infer that sex workers willing to allow it are also more risk-averse, likely for the same reasons. They are partners in reckless stupidity.

We also overestimate the promiscuity of "club sluts". If she is hot, she is probably very selective. She may be promiscuous, but not with average schmucks. She's a slut with the 20% of men that make it past her random dick defense system. While it is true that a "club slut" in her 20s can go pretty wild, and the men she goes wild with are probably not the most savory bunch, I bet the number is lower than the little-head thinks when they walk by in the tight dress and super heels.

Me personally I NEVER go raw with random girls, and I would NEEEEEEEEVER go raw with a sex worker.
You mean they are less risk averse.

Your premise of more partners for a pro means greater likelihood of being a carrier of an STD. But this is not true for girls who insist on condom use., an area in which they are expert and vigilant in their practice. A pro who has bbfs May be no more of a risk than a civilian. It will depend on her selectivity. A provider who carries HIV may be receiving treatment and present no risk for the virus at all. And if she is on antivirals, that’s evidence of proper self care, and along with that is knowledge that other stds can be more virulent when one is infected with HIV-which would motivate a lower risk profile.
 

Rombulous

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You mean they are less risk averse.

Your premise of more partners for a pro means greater likelihood of being a carrier of an STD. But this is not true for girls who insist on condom use., an area in which they are expert and vigilant in their practice. A pro who has bbfs May be no more of a risk than a civilian. It will depend on her selectivity. A provider who carries HIV may be receiving treatment and present no risk for the virus at all. And if she is on antivirals, that’s evidence of proper self care, and along with that is knowledge that other stds can be more virulent when one is infected with HIV-which would motivate a lower risk profile.
Correct.

They don't understand that in today's age, 99% of STDs you will get from going raw with Sally next door who thought because she only was with 3 new guys this year that she's magically immune to everything (including pregnancy)
 

Qjbankai

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Many do it a lot. And it's never going to stop so might as well just tell them what the procedure is. Make sure you know her well, stick to one at a time, wait two weeks to test. No drug addicts, no anal. Plan B if you want to bust inside raw (and she's American and knows your name/address).

You can also do prophylactic antibiotics plus anti-virals but not often, after a while over-doing it creates those antibiotic resistant bacteria
Basically be on truvada then relax
 

Rombulous

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Get on HIV meds immediately after going raw you have nothing to lose
No, any drug has side effects and HIV risk for heterosexual males that don't give or receive anal sex (or have sexual contact with IV drug users or inject themselves) is incredibly low.

The virus is fragile and doesn't transmit well via vagina. Magic Johnson got HIV because of Russian Roulette. There is a 5% chance of getting it from normal heterosexual sex. But if you have unprotected sex 100 times in a year with 100 different Women every year for 20 years then yeah you have a good chance of contracting it. Especially in 80s and 90s when detection and drug research was inferior. And he lies about what type of Women he was with. Another question is whether he is fully heterosexual. 90% of Men who have ever contracted the virus either were Gay, had exposure to IV drugs or were infected by contaminated blood.

But from any one encounter your chances today are very low.
 

Rombulous

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Also I just re-read an old article and it's HIGHLY suspicious that virtually none of the Women who Magic Johnson slept with in that year tested positive for the virus. :unsure:

Theories:
He either dabbled in H or anabolic steroids and shared unclean needles
He had a gay experimental experience while high on drugs
He fucked an IV drug using stripper or a transexual
 

Hallow

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I see your point, but I take a different view on this. For girls on SA you may be right, but for civilians I think there is a still quite a difference in risk. A professional can easily see 3-6 clients per day. Even the most promiscuous civilian (a "club slut") would have trouble keeping up with that number. 50, 60, maybe 120 lifetime partners vs that many in a month or two. So that's the math.

There is also the self selection factor. Clients who risk BBFS are by inference a more risk-averse cohort. They may even already have an incurable STD ('nothing to lose') that they give zero fucks about spreading. So from a sex worker's perspective, BBFS with a client carries elevated risk. Similarly, we can infer that sex workers willing to allow it are also more risk-averse, likely for the same reasons. They are partners in reckless stupidity.

We also overestimate the promiscuity of "club sluts". If she is hot, she is probably very selective. She may be promiscuous, but not with average schmucks. She's a slut with the 20% of men that make it past her random dick defense system. While it is true that a "club slut" in her 20s can go pretty wild, and the men she goes wild with are probably not the most savory bunch, I bet the number is lower than the little-head thinks when they walk by in the tight dress and super heels.

Me personally I NEVER go raw with random girls, and I would NEEEEEEEEVER go raw with a sex worker.
Wow
 

Hallow

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Correct.

They don't understand that in today's age, 99% of STDs you will get from going raw with Sally next door who thought because she only was with 3 new guys this year that she's magically immune to everything (including pregnancy)
I’m not married but still don’t want any STD and you married dudes on here are nuts if you ever go raw.
 
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