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Queens leaders vow to crack down on Flushing brothels - New York Post

BillaBong

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Depends on if you've been arrested. It could be used as evidence to establish a pattern of behavior.
Generally correct. And unless charges are filed, it's a potential defamation suit if released. However, if the provider turns State's evidence and talks, those tapes could be enough to generate a warrant.
Thanks for the heads up. yes if provider ditches then all is at risk.
 

RickeyRomance

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Flushing is the epicenter of Asian massage brothels in US. If law enforcement shut down Flushing it would shut down places all over the country because so many girls stop through there.
Well said and exactly why mongering in Flushing is perhaps the riskiest thing anyone could do right now. The Feds are interested in the area and they do not play. The NYPD has advanced tech but the Feds have everything and can do anything. Guys on here talking about suing them later and violations of their rights. I get it....but you'll do that AFTER they've ruined your life, posted your mug shot and locked you up.

Is a mechanical HJ from a 45-year old Chinese woman really worth all that? Someone said it best on here about a week ago. Most guys who do this have an addiction and when you're addicted, you're not thinking straight. You take stupid risks for the low reward of scoring a hit.
 

krideynyc

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Well said and exactly why mongering in Flushing is perhaps the riskiest thing anyone could do right now. The Feds are interested in the area and they do not play. The NYPD has advanced tech but the Feds have everything and can do anything.
Just wanted to add that the Feds will be more interested in the Human Trafficking side. NYPD will focus on the solicitation side. There will be overlap, and not worth being on two radars.

Guys on here talking about suing them later and violations of their rights. I get it....but you'll do that AFTER they've ruined your life, posted your mug shot and locked you up.

Is a mechanical HJ from a 45-year old Chinese woman really worth all that? Someone said it best on here about a week ago. Most guys who do this have an addiction and when you're addicted, you're not thinking straight. You take stupid risks for the low reward of scoring a hit.
Well said.
 

jfox987

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What happens if they seize cameras and release the video of who goes in? I know that most of these massage parlors have security cameras. Some with many different angles.
i thought something like this happened in seattle? police release pictures of 2 men who went into an amp and asked the public for helping identifying them.
 

Undercoverbrova

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The question still remains tho...how are they going to identify you?

The way Kraft and crew got caught in FL was thru the video installed in the rooms, AND getting their license plates as they got in their car(it being in a strip mall made it extremely easy for Leo). Up here, if you're parked blocks away, are they going to tail you, to see what car you're getting into? Are they really dedicating manpower to all of that? Even better, if you take the subway/lirr/bus, then what?

I don't see them employing facial recognition software to match you up from the video into their database. Outside of them getting lucky on the guys parked out right in front, or straight up snatching us up upon stepping out of the place, I still think there's an overreaction to the fears here. It is worrisome that there were ties from Florida to flushing, but I still see this city as a whole different ballgame when it comes to getting us.
 

Chainedkraken

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The question still remains tho...how are they going to identify you?

The way Kraft and crew got caught in FL was thru the video installed in the rooms, AND getting their license plates as they got in their car(it being in a strip mall made it extremely easy for Leo). Up here, if you're parked blocks away, are they going to tail you, to see what car you're getting into? Are they really dedicating manpower to all of that? Even better, if you take the subway/lirr/bus, then what?

I don't see them employing facial recognition software to match you up from the video into their database. Outside of them getting lucky on the guys parked out right in front, or straight up snatching us up upon stepping out of the place, I still think there's an overreaction to the fears here. It is worrisome that there were ties from Florida to flushing, but I still see this city as a whole different ballgame when it comes to getting us.
Think about it from LE perspective. They probably have enough leads on some of the major players in the trafficking game but not enough hard evidence. The average monger who visits once a month isn't worth questioning, but the guy who's there every week or couple times a week may have knowledge on how the girls bounce around. So you hold him and then dig up his taxes, ask his wife questions, employer (past and present) etc. You're just collateral damage. And they're trying to build a career case.

I'm probably wrong, but"probably" is enough odds for me to stick to legit for now.
 

RickeyRomance

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Just wanted to add that the Feds will be more interested in the Human Trafficking side. NYPD will focus on the solicitation side. There will be overlap, and not worth being on two radars.

Well said.
Great point about the human trafficking angle. That topic is the perfect storm because it's an easy issue that both this White House and national Democrats both seem to want to eliminated so there could actually be a 'race to the top' to see who can lock up the most mongers and destroy the most provider networks.

Of all the things that run afoul of the law, that puts a particularly HUGE bullseye on all of us. So I just don't get some guys here who are still saying things like 'ehhhh, you guys are overreacting. New spots open up all the time' and 'this will all blow over'. Sure. A hurricane will eventually 'blow over' but why go outside with no jacket and stand there in the middle of it?

This is a LE hurricane aimed directly at the hobby we all love. Stay inside and ride it out and hope that there's something left when it's done.
 

krideynyc

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The question still remains tho...how are they going to identify you?
You don't have to be identified to have a warrant issued against you. You'll simply be an "Unidentified Person of Interest".

I don't see them employing facial recognition software to match you up from the video into their database. Outside of them getting lucky on the guys parked out right in front, or straight up snatching us up upon stepping out of the place, I still think there's an overreaction to the fears here. It is worrisome that there were ties from Florida to flushing, but I still see this city as a whole different ballgame when it comes to getting us.
If this keeps you away, it's done it's job. If you keep coming back, you'll run the risk of being recognized. However you want to rationalize it, staying away is still the best way of avoiding arrest.
 

Tico1

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Think about it from LE perspective. They probably have enough leads on some of the major players in the trafficking game but not enough hard evidence. The average monger who visits once a month isn't worth questioning, but the guy who's there every week or couple times a week may have knowledge on how the girls bounce around. So you hold him and then dig up his taxes, ask his wife questions, employer (past and present) etc. You're just collateral damage. And they're trying to build a career case.

I'm probably wrong, but"probably" is enough odds for me to stick to legit for now.
If someone goes to a place, that doesn't mean they know what is goes on. I don't know what the girls make, their lives, whether they have a kid, or whether they are trafficked. In fact, I don't even know who owns the place or even what hours they work.
 

RickeyRomance

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If someone goes to a place, that doesn't mean they know what is goes on. I don't know what the girls make, their lives, whether they have a kid, or whether they are trafficked. In fact, I don't even know who owns the place or even what hours they work.
Not how LE sees it. They treat it like a crackhouse once it's been labeled as a 'known sex trafficking establishment' and whoever enters runs the risk of getting some VERY unwanted attention from Officer Jablonski.
 
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