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Pompeo considering banning Chinese social media apps, Tiktok, WeChat???

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ceTtIDtJ

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I hope they dont ban WeChat. It is how Chinese Americans and Chinese immigrants communicate with their families in China. FB is not allowed in China. Plus I got some of my favorites girls on wechat. I dont care about Tiktok. Attention seeking girls make stupid videos on tiktok.
 

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What does banning entail? Removal from the store? Or they just gonna block wechat servers? Either way I'm sure there will be a work around.

Overall this is mainly aimed at tiktok. Very few Americans except Chinese Americans use wechat.
 

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I'll try not to be political here (there's a thread for that, and I'm deliberately not participating). That report in the OP's post is pure click-bait.
The most they can do is ask government employees to remove it from their government issued devices.

Some of the "Chinese social media apps" are used by financial institutions as part of regulatory surveillance covered by the various agencies (CFTC, FINRA, etc). The financial institutions don't have a choice in surveilling these app communications because they need to evidence all communication with clients that use these apps to contact their Financial Advisors about trades.

There is no legal precedent for this administration to target an application based on it's origin. They will need to find evidence of spyware that harms national interests, present it to both Apple and Google, and get a court order to execute a removal. Whenever you see "considers" in a headline, it is government bravado at best, propaganda at worst.

On a lighter note, Tik Tok is too much fun to be banned. The younger generation uses Tik Tok as much as they use SnapChat. They will march to Pennsylvania Avenue and record hundreds of dance videos in protest and make us all laugh this click bait away.
 

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India banned TikTok. And US does have authority to ban it. They will issue a court order to Apple and Google to remove Tiktok from their respective app stores.
 

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India banned TikTok. And US does have authority to ban it. They will issue a court order to Apple and Google to remove Tiktok from their respective app stores.
The US and India have very different laws. An Indian court banned TikTok because "it could expose children to sexual predators, pornographic content and cyberbullying". We have our freedom of press case law that held up in court that allow pornographic content with reasonable protection (Hustler, etc). We have a far way to go to protect children from cyberbullying as there is no platform that adequately does this today and most sites anti-predation efforts are reactionary at best. As for the court order, Apple and Google fight court orders all the time. The most famous case was a FISA order to subvert the security of the iPhone to help in a suspected terrorist investigation. Just like here, it made headlines as a form of political pressure. Apple never relented and the government dropped its case. The government tried to win in the court of public opinion and lost. They did not want to lose in court as that precedent would have damaged other FISA orders.
Not necessarily. Depends how he presents the argument.
TG - As you know, Pompeo is Secretary of State. This is simply not his his jurisdiction. He is communicating news for the current administration and citing that this is about "privacy concerns" just like they did with Huawei. For Huawei, they claimed the hardware did something specific to breach standard security measures. I don't see how they can do that with software in Apple's and Google's app stores that both screens apps for such security flaws prior to allowing a listing in their respective app stores. I don't see an angle for the administration to win here. My guess is that it is just a headline to create public pressure like they did with the iPhone case. The only reason Pompeo would make the announcement is that the administration is trying to create economic pressure for other negotiations that are in play. TikTok is just a pawn on the board.
 

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I'll defer to the experts on the technology issues.

Last I looked we're not Turkey, despite the current fondness for dictator types that several members of my family kicked the shit out of in the last world war.

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Pompeo is getting Tillersons sloppy seconds. Neither qualified. Pompeo is a pompous tea party evangelical far right feckless swine.
 

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Pompeo is getting Tillersons sloppy seconds. Neither qualified. Pompeo is a pompous tea party evangelical far right feckless swine.
That defines Pompeo pretty well according to some who work for him.

I didn't agree with a lot of Sessions' views, but he did seem competent from what I could tell. But that was a very surface view.
 

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The US and India have very different laws. An Indian court banned TikTok because "it could expose children to sexual predators, pornographic content and cyberbullying". We have our freedom of press case law that held up in court that allow pornographic content with reasonable protection (Hustler, etc). We have a far way to go to protect children from cyberbullying as there is no platform that adequately does this today and most sites anti-predation efforts are reactionary at best. As for the court order, Apple and Google fight court orders all the time. The most famous case was a FISA order to subvert the security of the iPhone to help in a suspected terrorist investigation. Just like here, it made headlines as a form of political pressure. Apple never relented and the government dropped its case. The government tried to win in the court of public opinion and lost. They did not want to lose in court as that precedent would have damaged other FISA orders.

TG - As you know, Pompeo is Secretary of State. This is simply not his his jurisdiction. He is communicating news for the current administration and citing that this is about "privacy concerns" just like they did with Huawei. For Huawei, they claimed the hardware did something specific to breach standard security measures. I don't see how they can do that with software in Apple's and Google's app stores that both screens apps for such security flaws prior to allowing a listing in their respective app stores. I don't see an angle for the administration to win here. My guess is that it is just a headline to create public pressure like they did with the iPhone case. The only reason Pompeo would make the announcement is that the administration is trying to create economic pressure for other negotiations that are in play. TikTok is just a pawn on the board.
I agree with you that is the most likely result. But there are other arguments that have a non-zero chance of succeeding I think.
 

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Banning social media apps is yet another way for the US government to run your life. Yet these same people spy on every US citizen. So it's ok for the US government to spy on you but not China government.
 

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Banning social media apps is yet another way for the US government to run your life. Yet these same people spy on every US citizen. So it's ok for the US government to spy on you but not China government.
We had two terrible Federal laws passed, in 2018 and 2019, that decimated the ability to hobby as we were used to doing. The laws were based on the idea that intrusion into the private lives of consenting adults was constitutional as a means of law enforcement.
 

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We had two terrible Federal laws passed, in 2018 and 2019, that decimated the ability to hobby as we were used to doing. The laws were based on the idea that intrusion into the private lives of consenting adults was constitutional as a means of law enforcement.
The secret court was the begining. When the US government made it 'legal' to spy on American citizens it became clear the enemy is within.
 
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