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Masks required again in Philly?

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Barabula

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Saw on news masks will be required again in Philly inside any building. Hope the favorite spots remain unmasked, anybody see any changes back yet at local Philly AMPs?
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In my opinion, it should’ve never been lifted for public places like stores, etc. Some AMPs still have mask on requirements. Some medical establishments as well.
 
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As of now it's not a mandate but the city is "recommending" everyone wear a mask indoors. I doubt there will be much change at the AMPs, some still are masking but many haven't been for months.
 
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You can thank the unvaccinated for that and the spread of delta. Real simple, the virus is now doing exactly what you'd expect it to, finding hosts who are most susceptible, the unvaccinated. Unfortunately, there are still those among us holding true to an ideal even in the face of reality and almost certain illness for them and those around them who remain unvaccinated. I still cannot understand an ideology that requires such dogma that you'd risk getting severely ill or infecting others. I digress...
 
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You can thank the unvaccinated for that and the spread of delta. Real simple, the virus is now doing exactly what you'd expect it to, finding hosts who are most susceptible, the unvaccinated. Unfortunately, there are still those among us holding true to an ideal even in the face of reality and almost certain illness for them and those around them who remain unvaccinated. I still cannot understand an ideology that requires such dogma that you'd risk getting severely ill or infecting others. I digress...
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Not to get political but I agree 1000%. I am vaccinated (and had it before) and don’t care what the other unvaccinated people do. But I will care when I have to start wearing a freaking mask again because the variant is spreading through the unvaccinated population. Then that affects my life
 
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Not talking politics, stating facts about the virus itself. Those who are unvaccinated are getting slapped in the face with these facts, it's that simple. OP discussed masks and new mandates/suggestions, they suck, but this is now the result of the actions of some people and it effects our ability to live and enjoy the hobby.
 
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The claim that there is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is unsupported by science. This virus will never disappear. So either get ready to wear masks (which are used imperfectly by most people and thus rendered ineffective) or to get shots every 6 months. Remember when just a few short weeks ago it was stated breakthrough infections are incredibly uncommon, the # given was something like 5000 out of 157 million in the US, which is roughly 3/1000th of a percent. Then 50 texans go on a plane, all vaccinated, and 5 end up contracting Covid. That's 10%. Those 2 statistics can't exist in the same universe. The fact is, the "vaccines" are effective for a very short time. Antibody tests have determined that, they last typically 6 months. Do you want to get a shot every 6 months the rest of your life? If you do, feel free. There are many motivators with these vaccine mandates - yes, sick/at risk folks with multiple comorbidities should get them. Healthy young people might want to think twice. Let's not forget... for this "free vaccine" providers get paid $40 a shot to administer it. A low level nurse making under $50 a hour can easily inject 10 people in an hour. 10x40 = 400 - $50 employee cost = $350/hr profit for administrators of the shot. J&J just reported Covid Vax will add 2.5 billion to their revenue... which is almost 20% of the total amount of money earned by the giant corporation. I'm not ranting against the vax, but keep your eyes open and question these mandates because they aren't solely due to concern and or care for the public at large.
 
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jim_hatez said:
The claim that there is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is unsupported by science. This virus will never disappear. So either get ready to wear masks (which are used imperfectly by most people and thus rendered ineffective) or to get shots every 6 months. Remember when just a few short weeks ago it was stated breakthrough infections are incredibly uncommon, the # given was something like 5000 out of 157 million in the US, which is roughly 3/1000th of a percent. Then 50 texans go on a plane, all vaccinated, and 5 end up contracting Covid. That's 10%. Those 2 statistics can't exist in the same universe. The fact is, the "vaccines" are effective for a very short time. Antibody tests have determined that, they last typically 6 months. Do you want to get a shot every 6 months the rest of your life? If you do, feel free. There are many motivators with these vaccine mandates - yes, sick/at risk folks with multiple comorbidities should get them. Healthy young people might want to think twice. Let's not forget... for this "free vaccine" providers get paid $40 a shot to administer it. A low level nurse making under $50 a hour can easily inject 10 people in an hour. 10x40 = 400 - $50 employee cost = $350/hr profit for administrators of the shot. J&J just reported Covid Vax will add 2.5 billion to their revenue... which is almost 20% of the total amount of money earned by the giant corporation. I'm not ranting against the vax, but keep your eyes open and question these mandates because they aren't solely due to concern and or care for the public at large.
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It does not matter that they make huge money on it as long as it helps the people to avoid death. That really is very simple. I’ve had tons of vaccines since the day I was born. Thanks to that people live. If you don’t want to be vaccinated it is your business.
 
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Barabula said:
It does not matter that they make huge money on it as long as it helps the people to avoid death. That really is very simple. I’ve had tons of vaccines since the day I was born. Thanks to that people live. If you don’t want to be vaccinated it is your business.
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It does matter, because the motivations need to be questioned when an unapproved vaccine (EUA is not an approval) is being pushed so hard, especially to populations of people (16-20 for example) that statistically have a 0 chance of death. Making money is fine - I'm not against Capitalism.. but some of the mandates are going to far (like if you don't get vaccinated, you lose your job. U-Penn is doing that in Philly). If the vaccine works as well as they say it does, then the vaccinated people wouldn't need to continue wearing masks. New evidence shows vaccination doesn't stop spread. And to be frank, masks don't either, unless the sick person is actively sneezing/coughing and spreading droplets contaminated with Covid into the air. Asymptomatic spread is a bunch of baloney. Also... many of the vaccines (Polio for example) is a one shot and done. Something that has to be repeated every 6 months and has in some situations (like the Texas delegates plane ride) has as high as 10% breakthrough infection rate is troubling.

I am not telling anyone to not get the vax. It should be a personal decision. The hard truth though is America had a ton more fatalities than other countries because overall we are an obese, diabetic, heart-disease riddled country. If you subtract those who died from Covid with less than 2 comorbidities the numbers are teeny tiny. This is not a political post, nor am I blaming any politicians. But the fact is like anything else, if you eat McDonalds 3x a day and smoke cigarettes and wash it down with Old English 800 you probably are going to have a crappy outcome no matter what virus you catch.
 
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Good conversations. It was quite enjoyable reading all the points of view.
Also thanks using proper grammar to such a serious topic.
Some of the mongers on here are grammer(less) morons.
 
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jim_hatez said:
It does matter, because the motivations need to be questioned when an unapproved vaccine (EUA is not an approval) is being pushed so hard, especially to populations of people (16-20 for example) that statistically have a 0 chance of death. Making money is fine - I'm not against Capitalism.. but some of the mandates are going to far (like if you don't get vaccinated, you lose your job. U-Penn is doing that in Philly). If the vaccine works as well as they say it does, then the vaccinated people wouldn't need to continue wearing masks. New evidence shows vaccination doesn't stop spread. And to be frank, masks don't either, unless the sick person is actively sneezing/coughing and spreading droplets contaminated with Covid into the air. Asymptomatic spread is a bunch of baloney. Also... many of the vaccines (Polio for example) is a one shot and done. Something that has to be repeated every 6 months and has in some situations (like the Texas delegates plane ride) has as high as 10% breakthrough infection rate is troubling.

I am not telling anyone to not get the vax. It should be a personal decision. The hard truth though is America had a ton more fatalities than other countries because overall we are an obese, diabetic, heart-disease riddled country. If you subtract those who died from Covid with less than 2 comorbidities the numbers are teeny tiny. This is not a political post, nor am I blaming any politicians. But the fact is like anything else, if you eat McDonalds 3x a day and smoke cigarettes and wash it down with Old English 800 you probably are going to have a crappy outcome no matter what virus you catch.
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In the matters of life and death sane people choose life. Hundreds of millions have been vaccinated by now and you’re waiting for a stamp from someone? Once again, it is your choice. I do not impose my choice unto others and do not want others to do that to me either.
 
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jim_hatez said:
It does matter, because the motivations need to be questioned when an unapproved vaccine (EUA is not an approval) is being pushed so hard, especially to populations of people (16-20 for example) that statistically have a 0 chance of death. Making money is fine - I'm not against Capitalism.. but some of the mandates are going to far (like if you don't get vaccinated, you lose your job. U-Penn is doing that in Philly). If the vaccine works as well as they say it does, then the vaccinated people wouldn't need to continue wearing masks. New evidence shows vaccination doesn't stop spread. And to be frank, masks don't either, unless the sick person is actively sneezing/coughing and spreading droplets contaminated with Covid into the air. Asymptomatic spread is a bunch of baloney. Also... many of the vaccines (Polio for example) is a one shot and done. Something that has to be repeated every 6 months and has in some situations (like the Texas delegates plane ride) has as high as 10% breakthrough infection rate is troubling.

I am not telling anyone to not get the vax. It should be a personal decision. The hard truth though is America had a ton more fatalities than other countries because overall we are an obese, diabetic, heart-disease riddled country. If you subtract those who died from Covid with less than 2 comorbidities the numbers are teeny tiny. This is not a political post, nor am I blaming any politicians. But the fact is like anything else, if you eat McDonalds 3x a day and smoke cigarettes and wash it down with Old English 800 you probably are going to have a crappy outcome no matter what virus you catch.
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I agree with semantics but vaccinated people are better protected compared to those that are not. Yes, if you have a strong immune system you may not get any virus at all. But if you had a few outbreaks of regular flu in your life in my opt you need to be vaccinated to lessen a chance you due if you catch a Covid.
You can’t have a fail proof forever vaccinate against a virus due to its nature alone. But if the logic you think is correct was used car industry, for instance they wouldn’t try to make it safer for passengers you see.
 
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