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general question no names for dealing with change in provider behaviour

Paperpusher

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There was a thread on several boards decades ago entitled "familiarity breeds contempt". The short version is that as the provider gets to know you, they services typically do down in quality. They are rationing themselves and think you just going to come back anyway. Other times they have contempt for their customers needing this service, but never themselves for providing it. It doesnt have to make sense and it happens to me many times even in legit places, the quality of the massage goes down and sometimes the massage just lays on top of me.

Be careful of the girlfriend advice given here. I had as many as four girlfriends (at the same time) and one wife this year, and I found out this is the closest thing to hell that I will ever experience on this earth.:cool: Too much crazy,
 

Don Hollinger

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There was a thread on several boards decades ago entitled "familiarity breeds contempt". The short version is that as the provider gets to know you, they services typically do down in quality. They are rationing themselves and think you just going to come back anyway. Other times they have contempt for their customers needing this service, but never themselves for providing it. It doesnt have to make sense and it happens to me many times even in legit places, the quality of the massage goes down and sometimes the massage just lays on top of me.

Be careful of the girlfriend advice given here. I had as many as four girlfriends (at the same time) and one wife this year, and I found out this is the closest thing to hell that I will ever experience on this earth.:cool: Too much crazy,
You're right about contempt, and they can spot a mark when they see one for subpar service. When I left my regular for several months because of this, she was a different person when I came back. Better overall service, money talks. Good advice.
 

East Lake II

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There are also the spa dynamics to consider. Seeing her 3X/week and giving her gifts caused more drama in the spa than she was comfortable handling. The others easily become jealous and the MMS starts steering good customers that were once seeing her to others.
 

Paperpusher

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I think you're sessions with this girl are done
There's no way she will just snap back to the girl she used to be for you
There are ways!!!! Something we have always seen "YMV". Why is that?

She is doing an "A" game for someone. I learned a long time ago, that _______________ plus money gets you to the promised land. Figuring out what _________ is , is the trick.

Learn, and apply to the next place. It would be nice if all we had to do is pony up the cash and get great service. But it often doesnt work that way.
 

East Lake II

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There are ways!!!! Something we have always seen "YMV". Why is that?

She is doing an "A" game for someone. I learned a long time ago, that _______________ plus money gets you to the promised land. Figuring out what _________ is , is the trick.

Learn, and apply to the next place. It would be nice if all we had to do is pony up the cash and get great service. But it often doesnt work that way.
It takes more than money. It’s best when, after you have seen them a few times, they initiate.
 

Don Hollinger

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It takes more than money. It’s best when, after you have seen them a few times, they initiate.
I agree. After a few times doing this and that with one CF I let her lead and she was much happier.
Almost like the waitress where you're a regular--who knows what you want and serves it to you before you have to ask. A little bossy, but done with a smile.

Being pussy whipped by a hot lady half my age will be something that I'll cherish, when I'm in the same shape as Hector Salamanca was before his face-off with Gus Fring.
 

BIGBOB62

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If you remember your high school psychology class, think of the intermittent reinforcement stuff. Girls perform best when you visit them inconsistently, and also when you tip them in variable amounts (within reason). I do this all the time.

I'll see the same girl 2-3 weeks in a row, or even twice in a week, and then skip her for a month. And i always let them know that i'm out 2-3 times a week, so she knows i wasnt skipping her and staying home. Too many guys treat these girls like wives and try to hide that they see other girls. If she knows that you are exercising other options, she's going to perform better when you do show up.

And i always tip her an amount that varies somewhat based on how happy i was at the end of the visit. Its amazing to me how some guys and these girls are so attuned to getting the same amount each time, and when you vary it, it leads to questions both ways. Its great to have that conversation about how she took shortcuts today so her tip is less, or that because she performed so enthusiastically this time i'm giving her extra.
 

yh33

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Go back to her in a month and no matter if the performance was amazing, great, good, or bad act indifferent and unenthusiastic about the session.

Tip her an average amount.

Walk out and do not hug her, or kiss her goodbye.

Ensure she knows you don’t care either. Whether you may be in love, or not… it’s playing a game of chess.

Come back three weeks later, do the same thing, tip a little bit less, if she solicits feedback, comment everything was fine, and ask what other girls are working.

Come back 2-3 weeks later, once there ask to see the lineup. See if at this point she cares, or does not. If she makes a move to take you go.

If not, try the new girl there to spite her, and tip her tremendously. Show your ATF, business or love, she just fucked herself brutally out of both.

See the way I see it you dug yourself in a hole, the only way out of it is to start being strategic. If my strategy does not have her the least bit interested in resuming passionate sessions with you, then nothing will. And, thus…you show her, you’re just as important to me as I am to you.
 

Don Hollinger

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Go back to her in a month and no matter if the performance was amazing, great, good, or bad act indifferent and unenthusiastic about the session.

Tip her an average amount.

Walk out and do not hug her, or kiss her goodbye.

Ensure she knows you don’t care either. Whether you may be in love, or not… it’s playing a game of chess.

Come back three weeks later, do the same thing, tip a little bit less, if she solicits feedback, comment everything was fine, and ask what other girls are working.

Come back 2-3 weeks later, once there ask to see the lineup. See if at this point she cares, or does not. If she makes a move to take you go.

If not, try the new girl there to spite her, and tip her tremendously. Show your ATF, business or love, she just fucked herself brutally out of both.

See the way I see it you dug yourself in a hole, the only way out of it is to start being strategic. If my strategy does not have her the least bit interested in resuming passionate sessions with you, then nothing will. And, thus…you show her, you’re just as important to me as I am to you.

With all due respect, has this worked for you...it seems like a lot of work for an activity that is undertaken to relive one's worries in life. Just saying.
 

Wayne1250

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If you remember your high school psychology class, think of the intermittent reinforcement stuff. Girls perform best when you visit them inconsistently, and also when you tip them in variable amounts (within reason). I do this all the time.

I'll see the same girl 2-3 weeks in a row, or even twice in a week, and then skip her for a month. And i always let them know that i'm out 2-3 times a week, so she knows i wasnt skipping her and staying home. Too many guys treat these girls like wives and try to hide that they see other girls. If she knows that you are exercising other options, she's going to perform better when you do show up.

And i always tip her an amount that varies somewhat based on how happy i was at the end of the visit. Its amazing to me how some guys and these girls are so attuned to getting the same amount each time, and when you vary it, it leads to questions both ways. Its great to have that conversation about how she took shortcuts today so her tip is less, or that because she performed so enthusiastically this time i'm giving her extra.
Go back to her in a month and no matter if the performance was amazing, great, good, or bad act indifferent and unenthusiastic about the session.

Tip her an average amount.

Walk out and do not hug her, or kiss her goodbye.

Ensure she knows you don’t care either. Whether you may be in love, or not… it’s playing a game of chess.

Come back three weeks later, do the same thing, tip a little bit less, if she solicits feedback, comment everything was fine, and ask what other girls are working.

Come back 2-3 weeks later, once there ask to see the lineup. See if at this point she cares, or does not. If she makes a move to take you go.

If not, try the new girl there to spite her, and tip her tremendously. Show your ATF, business or love, she just fucked herself brutally out of both.

See the way I see it you dug yourself in a hole, the only way out of it is to start being strategic. If my strategy does not have her the least bit interested in resuming passionate sessions with you, then nothing will. And, thus…you show her, you’re just as important to me as I am to you.
I think you both have not found the right girl from the beginning. I see my favorite girls often and always tip the same amount. I don't play mind game with them, and each encounter gets more passionate than the previous session. One has to treat each session with the same vigor as you expect from them. The more you satisfy them the better they will return the favor. Keep experimenting with new ways of pleasing them and they will do the same. I can't wait for my next visit.
 

yh33

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With all due respect, has this worked for you...it seems like a lot of work for an activity that is undertaken to relive one's worries in life. Just saying.
The basic sentiment of reverse psychology works all the time.

When you text a girl all the time and she starts to show less interest, do not keep texting. Text a lot less.

That is… if you still want her.

If you do not want her at all, simply let her go.

Life is all psychology. Before a football team takes the field they study the Xs and Os and game plan. I wish relationships were all too simple as well, but truth be told they take a complicated approach of push/pull and game planning as well.

The plan is complicated because OP has dug himself in a deep hole, and now he has to be strategic. Sure, giving up would be much easier…but, that’s not what OP said he wants to do.
 

PorterD

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The basic sentiment of reverse psychology works all the time.

When you text a girl all the time and she starts to show less interest, do not keep texting. Text a lot less.

That is… if you still want her.

If you do not want her at all, simply let her go.

Life is all psychology. Before a football team takes the field they study the Xs and Os and game plan. I wish relationships were all too simple as well, but truth be told they take a complicated approach of push/pull and game planning as well.

The plan is complicated because OP has dug himself in a deep hole, and now he has to be strategic. Sure, giving up would be much easier…but, that’s not what OP said he wants to do.
I don’t disagree with this approach; but it’s not always guaranteed to work. I’ve seen it work many times in my life; not just relationships but friendships as well.

But there are also times where you pull back and they keep walking. In those cases you have to be okay with letting them go.

So it will depend on how much she values him as a client and if she is the jealous type.
 

Doubleyellow

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This might be the best thread that has come along for a long time. I just pulled out all of my old Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud and Bobby Fisher ‘how to’ books. oh by…tapping in to our collective unconsciousness, my my subconscious, Jungarian archetypes, noumenons…. it’s time to watch Avatar again…Eywa knows.
 

Uniquelyme

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i even show up with roses or some food or other small gifts even now
So she gives you attitude and you reward that with gifts ???!!! Nah dude. She's a pro. If she is switching up on you. Put her on pause. Dont see her for a while then see her again and see if she's still the same or dont even see her anymore. She's taking your resources for granted that's part of the real her. Wisen up.
 

Doubleyellow

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So she gives you attitude and you reward that with gifts ???!!! Nah dude. She's a pro. If she is switching up on you. Put her on pause. Dont see her for a while then see her again and see if she's still the same or dont even see her anymore. She's taking your resources for granted that's part of the real her. Wisen up.
The cute part of this is all of the mental gamesmanship approaches suggested to ‘win’ her back…win what? More temporary affection? Lol. You don’t even know what turned her off. Is it your looks, smell, persistence, existence?

She doesn’t need to play any games, she owns her own business and if she doesn’t want any of yours — Transaction over.
 

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In 39 short posts you have enough juice here to field a PhD thesis on the mindset of the working KGirl.
I agree most don’t have time for mind fuckery, unless they’re the fucker and you’re the fuckee. I don’t make many different mistakes. My Aspergers demands repetition so in my several trials at relationships in this environment I’ve found that they hold the vast majority of us in contempt, at the very least.
 
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