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Coronavirus

charliebrown

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I wash my face and hands in the AMP's bathroom before I go home because of fear of this. Never been comfortable with that hastily-laid paper towel over the face hole. I should really start bringing my own face-towel I think, when I get back to this.

Really, folks, the hobby is not going to be safe from COVID-19 transmission until we get a vaccine for it, best case scenario is at least a year for general availability. Those of you that are married, get intimate with your wives again. Me, I bought a Fleshlight Turbo. May as well have some fun.
You have no clue how non-intimate a post-menopausal woman can be. They can quarantine and shut down all forms of communications to the outside world and it would still not dawn on them that sex is an option.
 

Ronin

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This trend is getting old. Stop beating a dead horse.
Maybe. But there’s a lot of misinformation and lack of information on this. No one knows how bad this will be. Someone I respect greatly, who is a world reknown expert in this field, said if you’re overreacting, it’s probably a good thing. My response was based on fact and experience. I did a bronch on my first patient last week and there was what appears to be irreversible damage. It’s my sincerest hope that, what I perceive as a lackadaisical perception of this issue, is in fact reality. Certainly it isn’t for the afflicted.
 

jim_hatez

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Actually, it’s not.
Actually, it is. Where is your data that proves "lifetime lung damage". The virus has been an issue for slightly over 3 months. A couple cases of lung damage - when you don't have pre-virus scans to compare them to - doesn't prove anything. Most people have some lung damage from smoking, pollution, etc. Your fear mongering doesn't help the situation.
 

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I imagine you weren’t able to gleen any discernible info from my previous post so I guess I can safely assume you’re not a pulmonary specialist. I believe after 30 years of doing thoracic cases I can safely differentiate the difference between acute and chronic lung pathology and the difference between disease pathology and that from other exogenous pathogens. I don’t like arguing and I don’t feel compelled to educate you. Quit while you’re behind.
 

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Ronin, thanks for your input. As this thread has proven there is obviously a wide gap between those of us in the medical field and and the lay public. In this jacked up emotional situation I’m afraid never the twain shall meet.
 

Kraven

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Actually, it is. Where is your data that proves "lifetime lung damage". The virus has been an issue for slightly over 3 months. A couple cases of lung damage - when you don't have pre-virus scans to compare them to - doesn't prove anything. Most people have some lung damage from smoking, pollution, etc. Your fear mongering doesn't help the situation.
The present virus is SARS-CoV-2 so called because of it high similarity to the last severe corona virus, SARS from 2002. Follow up studies of survivors (ave age 35 and none smokers ) have shown some with significant residual damage:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41413-020-0084-5#Tab2

I would be surprised if there was not similar sequelae this time around from covid19 with all the pneumonia it caused.
Time will tell.
 

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I understand. Everyone is on edge. And rightfully so. Even forgoing the possible economic ramifications. I was just trying to impart that you can’t take this thing too seriously. I’m seeing it firsthand. With 30 years of experience I have no idea where it’s going.
 

Ronin

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The present virus is SARS-CoV-2 so called because of it high similarity to the last severe corona virus, SARS from 2002. Follow up studies of survivors (ave age 35 and none smokers ) have shown some with significant residual damage:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41413-020-0084-5#Tab2

I would be surprised if there was not similar sequelae this time around from covid19 with all the pneumonia it caused.
Time will tell.
thanks. You have too much time on your hands. It’s all I can do to keep up with the new studies and trials. It seems to change daily, exacerbated by what I believe to be inaccuracy from the WH. HCQ has shown very promising results in a recent, and valid, study. Are they stupid, or trying to head off a run on the drug? Or both?
 

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Ronin, thanks for being on the front lines of this thing. My buddy the Infectious Disease Researcher drew the Investigative job on this pandemic, and he's already had to go through one self-quarantine because of possible exposure. Luckily he negatived and was able to go back to work saving lives. I'm gonna do my part, keep my ass at home, and keep telling other to do the same.
 

Ronin

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Unfortunately it’s a double edged sword for the people working around it. Either trying to nail down treatment, or providing immediate care without becoming infected and spreading it.
 

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The present virus is SARS-CoV-2 so called because of it high similarity to the last severe corona virus, SARS from 2002. Follow up studies of survivors (ave age 35 and none smokers ) have shown some with significant residual damage:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41413-020-0084-5#Tab2

I would be surprised if there was not similar sequelae this time around from covid19 with all the pneumonia it caused.
Time will tell.
According to the article lesions healed over time and got better as scans went on. It also states in there the damage is similar to viral pneumonia and improves. I'm not a Dr. but that doesn't sound like guaranteed lifetime damage. Viruses and pneumonia do some damage regardless of the strain. Of course it's better to avoid these infections if you can. In a way its like vaccinations. Some people have a reaction and can die from a vaccination. It's rare though. I just think claiming "lifetime damage" is a claim that is non-specific, inflated, and unproven. Which is not more of we need at this stressful time.
 

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thanks for being on the front lines Ronin. I am well aware of the pressures you and your crew are bombarded.
I am not on front lines but I am not too far from it.

This is just the first inning.
 

charliebrown

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Actually, it is. Where is your data that proves "lifetime lung damage". The virus has been an issue for slightly over 3 months. A couple cases of lung damage - when you don't have pre-virus scans to compare them to - doesn't prove anything. Most people have some lung damage from smoking, pollution, etc. Your fear mongering doesn't help the situation.
Jim, I do not know if it will cause lifelong damage to a lung but when an MRI displays lung damage and a lung does not completely heal from damage, the risks associated with this disease have dramatically gone up. We really need to be as proactive as possible in avoiding any harm for many reasons. The perception has been that most people get a few little symptoms and it is no big deal. What they are not saying is this virus can be tearing up your lungs and you will not know it until you have trouble breathing. Most people can live a life with one lung instead of two. I would not recommend that type of life to anyone.

Let's be safe instead of sorry.
 

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According to the article lesions healed over time and got better as scans went on. It also states in there the damage is similar to viral pneumonia and improves. I'm not a Dr. but that doesn't sound like guaranteed lifetime damage. Viruses and pneumonia do some damage regardless of the strain. Of course it's better to avoid these infections if you can. In a way its like vaccinations. Some people have a reaction and can die from a vaccination. It's rare though. I just think claiming "lifetime damage" is a claim that is non-specific, inflated, and unproven. Which is not more of we need at this stressful time.
Well yes it IS a viral pneumonia and a portion of patients never return to baseline FUNCTION ( more important than the scan). That percentage is way greater than the one or two in a million deaths from vaccination. A similar follow up study of survivors in Hong Kong: Conclusion: The exercise capacity and health status of SARS survivors was considerably lower than that of a normal population at 6 months. Significant impairment in surface area for gas exchange was noted in 15.5% of survivors.

We seem to be split between the naysayers and the alarmists and at least for now it is prudent to be on the concerned camp to help mitigate the problem. I’m with CB on this. It’s becoming obvious that young people are not excluded from harm. Everyone should comply.
 
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