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VJLUTZ

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Any time I see a sentence saying something about "...ALL Chinese providers...", my instinctive skepticism jumps up a notch.
I could be mistaken, but don't think I ever used the word "ALL". In fact, I tend to shy away from using absolute terms (all, every, none, always, never, etc.). Suspect I meant "many". I've run into more than a few providers who (initially) claimed to be unattached (husband or SO), but were indeed spoken for.
 

Srhsrh

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I think you might need to be more careful getting deeply involved with a spa girl, but it can be done. I do know of a girl, that was married in China, and left her husband and came to the US many years ago. She got romantically involved with another guy, not me. She told me, I knew she was still married, and when I asked her about it, her answer was, that is in China, this is USA. I dont need to worry, if I never go back. I'm not really sure what would happen to the guy here, but I think it could be pretty messy.
Money is always a big topic too. I've been in a couple serious relationships with spa girls, and in each of them, even though i think i have enough money for both of us, and I strongly prefer she not work (and flat out refuse to have her do any kind of sexual service work), they are always worried about maintaining financial independence. Meaning that these girls are very jaded, and still dont completely trust in love. they are worried about losing their money making connection, or sacrificing their best years. Its a struggle to overcome that.
But in no way, would i ever consider diving into the deep end, of splitting spa ownership, joint business ventures, etc. I've seen enough of the spa world behind the scenes to know that its messy, real messy. chinese landlords, sometimes gang connections. business owner rents from the landlord. MMS in a partnership with the business owner. much of this is done with no papers. And always over our head is the prospect of being raided, arrested, and your photo in the paper. And being called a sex trafficker. NO THANKS.
The only relationship I pursue with spa girls, starts with the assumption that she is going to leave the business. And at most, open a legit, mostly for females, nice spa. But preferably find other work or stay at home.
 

DannyG

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Don’t mean any disrespect Chi, but if you intended to exit this site and not return, then you should have done so.
Now you’ve returned and opened up a new can of worms, everybody has an opinion, not everyone will agree, you’ll find yourself second guessing yourself, there’s no future in it.
 

Ampme

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I think you might need to be more careful getting deeply involved with a spa girl, but it can be done. I do know of a girl, that was married in China, and left her husband and came to the US many years ago. She got romantically involved with another guy, not me. She told me, I knew she was still married, and when I asked her about it, her answer was, that is in China, this is USA. I dont need to worry, if I never go back. I'm not really sure what would happen to the guy here, but I think it could be pretty messy.
Money is always a big topic too. I've been in a couple serious relationships with spa girls, and in each of them, even though i think i have enough money for both of us, and I strongly prefer she not work (and flat out refuse to have her do any kind of sexual service work), they are always worried about maintaining financial independence. Meaning that these girls are very jaded, and still dont completely trust in love. they are worried about losing their money making connection, or sacrificing their best years. Its a struggle to overcome that.
But in no way, would i ever consider diving into the deep end, of splitting spa ownership, joint business ventures, etc. I've seen enough of the spa world behind the scenes to know that its messy, real messy. chinese landlords, sometimes gang connections. business owner rents from the landlord. MMS in a partnership with the business owner. much of this is done with no papers. And always over our head is the prospect of being raided, arrested, and your photo in the paper. And being called a sex trafficker. NO THANKS.
The only relationship I pursue with spa girls, starts with the assumption that she is going to leave the business. And at most, open a legit, mostly for females, nice spa. But preferably find other work or stay at home.
I agree. lot are jaded and distanher g, ettingtbut they stay in one place. One that is calm, does not play on emotions, are moved out, probably because the jaded ones didn't like costumers consistent
Don’t mean any disrespect Chi, but if you intended to exit this site and not return, then you should have done so.
Now you’ve returned and opened up a new can of worms, everybody has an opinion, not everyone will agree, you’ll find yourself second guessing yourself, there’s no future in it.
Another guy said the same, saying he's out. It's a marketing tool for providers!
 

DannyG

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In one sentence you announced your exit, now this thread has turned into a pissing contest about married providers.
 

dotcom

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It's ALL about the GREEN, whether ur talking bout cards or backs. Any country anywhere it's the same. Spas or call girls it's the same. Costa Rica or DR it's all the same. Green cards and/or Greenbacks, it's all the same. There is always that diamond in the rough, tho. I learned after 2 deportations, lots of money to get them here and lots of anguish once here. BUT, I finally did find that diamond in CR. And after 5 yrs, the only one that can fuck this up, is me. Give it another yr or so. Different pussy is what it's all about. Peace, my friends.
 

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In one sentence you announced your exit, now this thread has turned into a pissing contest about married providers.
What is your current issue, Danny? Are you offended by others offering their opinion to another about a bumpy road they once travelled? it seems you needed to hear yourself say something self serving.
 

Srhsrh

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Personally, I think the whole business of dating/marrying providers is a good one, appropriate on this site, and topical to the thread. what makes me nervous is the feeling that a monger is jumping into the deep end and committing serious money in a situation he might lose control of easily. either because the girl tricked him, or because the girl herself is being controlled by others.
 

DannyG

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What is your current issue, Danny? Are you offended by others offering their opinion to another about a bumpy road they once travelled? it seems you needed to hear yourself say something self serving.
No, not offended, sorry to come across as if. It's just amazing how a thread evolves, I guess the recent married subject matter is somewhat along the lines of original post.
 

Ampme

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Personally, I think the whole business of dating/marrying providers is a good one, appropriate on this site, and topical to the thread. what makes me nervous is the feeling that a monger is jumping into the deep end and committing serious money in a situation he might lose control of easily. either because the girl tricked him, or because the girl herself is being controlled by others.
Ma
Chi knows what he's doing.
He's not a sucker.
For 48 hrs
 

charliebrown

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Having read this several times, my advice with good intentions is that it seems you are in desperate need of affection, are trying to buy your way in, and you need an intervention, self imposed or with help. If you don't change directions, you will end up where you are headed.

Chip, having read this tread the first time, I would second the motion for some form of intervention. You, me or any other person on this earth cannot describe a long term plan one week that ends after 48 hours. From all the comments on this thread, I would say K and I are not alone in our assessment. Please do not take this any way except one in which WE want you to step back, take a deep breath and think about what is going one.

Sincerely CB.
 

Chiparlor

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If you are not interested to read a novel, do not read below and move on.
@Waterboy thanks
@charliebrown honeymoon varies
@kgmspa I am not in pain.
@TGBeldin Thanks
@Srhsrh Thanks for sharing your observation and I am also sharing my observation.
@Koujiao I am fully prepared for them to walk away with everything I had/have when they leave because I had a detailed Cohabitation Agreement in place.
@East Lake II I may have my eyes crossed because I remembered reading a thread stating “all” and I witnessed myself 100% so far (7 out of 7)
@East Lake II Yes, applies to all providers up and down the chain
@marauder1969 I apologize for the confusion. Congrats to your marriage
@Spa1123 Like I said earlier I read the term “all” and I apologize for that
@Ampme I am more than happy to stop mongering and write novels because I have access to Chinese vagina 24/7 and will earn bucks from the novels whereas you will spend $ on providers
@VJLUTZ I apologize for misunderstanding.
@Srhsrh you are correct behind the scenes were/are very messy
@DannyG You are correct and I came back to share some of my experience to save some of you from being hurt. It was my mistake doing that.
@Ampme Yes it a marketing tool because I will write a novel titled “Ampme”
@DannyG I had a pissing contest with a married provider this morning and I cleaned it up (Benjamin Franklin is aware of it and does not know the name of the provider).
@dotcom GREEN exactly
@Koujiao Thank you. As I said earlier I was sharing my perspective.
@Srhsrh your comment #48: I am not worried because, again, detailed Cohabitation Agreement is in place. Theodore Roosevelt read it and asked for permission to borrow my agreement. Sure! He has it incase he need it if he has a woman with him.
@Waterboy Thanks
@DannyG We all live and learn
@Ampme Since when any relationship must last less than 48 hours? Since when any relationship must last more than a week? Since when any relationship must last 12 months? I deported her because she was handling illegal substances and controlling in MY residence and in violation of our Cohabitation Agreement.
@charliebrown Thank you

I would like to correct myself. I mentioned that I am working on a project that WILL benefit both providers and mongers. Repeating with correction: I am working on a project that MAY benefit both providers and mongers.

My current so disagreed with me for leaving this site because I made the solo decision. I see where she is coming from. She said continue doing what I have been doing in life minus mongering fs providers. She is right because we were invited to a fs parlor two days ago to celebrate a birthday party for a provider. The fs parlor closed its doors early for birthday celebration. We enjoyed the birthday party!

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION:
Have you EVER went to any parlors, non-erotic and/or erotic, and provide a strictly therapeutic massage for one full hour to a provider WITHOUT touching her privates (milking her breasts, sucking her breasts, rubbing her breasts, fingering her vagina and etc) and paid for the full hour massage and reasonable tip to a provider?
I have done that several times for the last 3 months because I heard a provider saying back in late March or early April:
Tired
Very Tired
Very Very Tired
I REALLY want this to stop.
I asked her what she meant by that. She said she was very tired of keeping everything inside herself and serve customers to satisfy their needs. I stopped her from massaging me, put clothes on, and told her to lay down. I provided strictly therapeutic massage to help her feel better in 30 minutes. Her attitude changed instantly. She admitted she needed strictly therapeutic massage for the full hour sometimes. We came to an agreement that she is free to tell me “Hey, I need massage” and I go over in a heartbeat. I did that to her 7 times so far. Now that I am in a relationship, my so said to continue doing what I am doing because both my so and provider speak fluently in Chinese in the massage room while I am working and learning Chinese day by day.
 

East Lake II

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If you are not interested to read a novel, do not read below and move on.
@Waterboy thanks
@charliebrown honeymoon varies
@kgmspa I am not in pain.
@TGBeldin Thanks
@Srhsrh Thanks for sharing your observation and I am also sharing my observation.
@Koujiao I am fully prepared for them to walk away with everything I had/have when they leave because I had a detailed Cohabitation Agreement in place.
@East Lake II I may have my eyes crossed because I remembered reading a thread stating “all” and I witnessed myself 100% so far (7 out of 7)
@East Lake II Yes, applies to all providers up and down the chain
@marauder1969 I apologize for the confusion. Congrats to your marriage
@Spa1123 Like I said earlier I read the term “all” and I apologize for that
@Ampme I am more than happy to stop mongering and write novels because I have access to Chinese vagina 24/7 and will earn bucks from the novels whereas you will spend $ on providers
@VJLUTZ I apologize for misunderstanding.
@Srhsrh you are correct behind the scenes were/are very messy
@DannyG You are correct and I came back to share some of my experience to save some of you from being hurt. It was my mistake doing that.
@Ampme Yes it a marketing tool because I will write a novel titled “Ampme”
@DannyG I had a pissing contest with a married provider this morning and I cleaned it up (Benjamin Franklin is aware of it and does not know the name of the provider).
@dotcom GREEN exactly
@Koujiao Thank you. As I said earlier I was sharing my perspective.
@Srhsrh your comment #48: I am not worried because, again, detailed Cohabitation Agreement is in place. Theodore Roosevelt read it and asked for permission to borrow my agreement. Sure! He has it incase he need it if he has a woman with him.
@Waterboy Thanks
@DannyG We all live and learn
@Ampme Since when any relationship must last less than 48 hours? Since when any relationship must last more than a week? Since when any relationship must last 12 months? I deported her because she was handling illegal substances and controlling in MY residence and in violation of our Cohabitation Agreement.
@charliebrown Thank you

I would like to correct myself. I mentioned that I am working on a project that WILL benefit both providers and mongers. Repeating with correction: I am working on a project that MAY benefit both providers and mongers.

My current so disagreed with me for leaving this site because I made the solo decision. I see where she is coming from. She said continue doing what I have been doing in life minus mongering fs providers. She is right because we were invited to a fs parlor two days ago to celebrate a birthday party for a provider. The fs parlor closed its doors early for birthday celebration. We enjoyed the birthday party!

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION:
Have you EVER went to any parlors, non-erotic and/or erotic, and provide a strictly therapeutic massage for one full hour to a provider WITHOUT touching her privates (milking her breasts, sucking her breasts, rubbing her breasts, fingering her vagina and etc) and paid for the full hour massage and reasonable tip to a provider?
I have done that several times for the last 3 months because I heard a provider saying back in late March or early April:
Tired
Very Tired
Very Very Tired
I REALLY want this to stop.
I asked her what she meant by that. She said she was very tired of keeping everything inside herself and serve customers to satisfy their needs. I stopped her from massaging me, put clothes on, and told her to lay down. I provided strictly therapeutic massage to help her feel better in 30 minutes. Her attitude changed instantly. She admitted she needed strictly therapeutic massage for the full hour sometimes. We came to an agreement that she is free to tell me “Hey, I need massage” and I go over in a heartbeat. I did that to her 7 times so far. Now that I am in a relationship, my so said to continue doing what I am doing because both my so and provider speak fluently in Chinese in the massage room while I am working and learning Chinese day by day.
“Have you EVER went to any parlors, non-erotic and/or erotic, and provide a strictly therapeutic massage for one full hour to a provider WITHOUT touching her privates (milking her breasts, sucking her breasts, rubbing her breasts, fingering her vagina and etc) and paid for the full hour massage and reasonable tip to a provider?”

Yes, I have many times. Interesting you bring this up. I’ve never seen it mentioned before. Great experience.
 

VJLUTZ

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@East Lake II
Thank you for bringing this up. I am glad to know we are in the same boat showing positive attitudes towards the providers. I am optimistic we may make difference to some mongers to provide professional massage to their providers.
At the risk of sounding like a selfish asshole, I'm going to be a dissenting voice here. Personally, if I am going to pay the HF + tip, which is not an insignificant amount of $$, then I expect to be serviced. Not the other way around. Occasionally, I have massaged providers for short periods of time during a session, but that is the exception to the rule. There is really no way I am going to paying all that $$ to service a provider in an AMP.

A few other thoughts:
1. It's a free country, and everyone can do what they want. Especially if the truly enjoy it. This is just my opinion. Going out on a limb here, but pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.
2. I appreciate that people get sick and tired of their jobs. Everybody's been there. But that's what vacations are for: to recharge and refresh.
3. If she is really unhappy in her work, she can switch jobs. There are lots of restaurants, nail salons, and home health care aid opportunities. Of course, I doubt she is going to find another job where she make as much as she does in an AMP.
4. If a girl wants to meet me outside the AMP (sans HF, tip and hour time limit), I'll be happy to service her (with massage and various other things). I'll even spring for the room and dinner.
 

Koujiao

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No, not offended, sorry to come across as if. It's just amazing how a thread evolves, I guess the recent married subject matter is somewhat along the lines of original post.
My apologies for misreading your intentions, we all seem to see a train wreck coming and want to save anyone we can.
 

Koujiao

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FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION:
Have you EVER went to any parlors, non-erotic and/or erotic, and provide a strictly therapeutic massage for one full hour to a provider WITHOUT touching her privates (milking her breasts, sucking her breasts, rubbing her breasts, fingering her vagina and etc) and paid for the full hour massage and reasonable tip to a provider?
I have done that several times for the last 3 months because I heard a provider saying back in late March or early April:
Tired
Very Tired
Very Very Tired
I REALLY want this to stop.
I asked her what she meant by that. She said she was very tired of keeping everything inside herself and serve customers to satisfy their needs. I stopped her from massaging me, put clothes on, and told her to lay down. I provided strictly therapeutic massage to help her feel better in 30 minutes. Her attitude changed instantly. She admitted she needed strictly therapeutic massage for the full hour sometimes. We came to an agreement that she is free to tell me “Hey, I need massage” and I go over in a heartbeat. I did that to her 7 times so far. Now that I am in a relationship, my so said to continue doing what I am doing because both my so and provider speak fluently in Chinese in the massage room while I am working and learning Chinese day by day.
The only parlors I frequent are legit. Being trained in several modalities of massage, for the past several years my massages with some masseuses were exchange massages. Some masseuses were not comfortable with this idea, for good reasons. For those who were comfortable, it evolved over time to a an expectation and a professional relationship. They showed me some new techniques and i showed them some I used. But it always comes down to what they want, not what you or I think they want. It led to some valuable friendships once we got past the trust issue. They needed to trust that my massage would not hurt them and that they would not suddenly find me puttting my hands and other appendages in places they were accustomed to defending from customers who didn't respect their limits. It is the same trust we need when we lay down.

The AMP scene is filled with men who want to make a connection and physically and emotionally please the masseuse. Lots of guys here offer masseuses massages, it is rewarding. That said, it won't ever lead to me think that the feelings i have for the masseuse mean she and I are in love, and that I should give up everything for her. The hormones involved in feelings love are the same as infatuation. Manage those feelings. I will settle for liking them.
 

Spa1123

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I often include some time massaging the provider in my sessions. My best sessions are ones where I feel a positive connection with the woman, and for me the most sure way to show appreciation is by massaging them. I'm not vain enough to think I'm going to make them sexually appreciative, and while tipping is always appreciated, it's not as "giving" as massage. Almost everyone enjoys getting massage. Also, at the somewhat challenging AMPs in Central PA, a massage can help lead the way to more things.

As far as massaging a provider for the entire hour...I can only remember doing that twice. Both times it was a birthday present, and very very much appreciated.
 

Srhsrh

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“Have you EVER went to any parlors, non-erotic and/or erotic, and provide a strictly therapeutic massage for one full hour to a provider WITHOUT touching her privates (milking her breasts, sucking her breasts, rubbing her breasts, fingering her vagina and etc) and paid for the full hour massage and reasonable tip to a provider?”

Yes, I have many times. Interesting you bring this up. I’ve never seen it mentioned before. Great experience.
I actually did it just recently. One of my girls has hit a rough patch, and she’s a little self destructive, meaning she was drawing into a shell, and yelling at people to leave her alone. I’ve had enough fun with our past visits, that I scheduled a session, sat with her, chatted as friends, shared some food I brought, then I left, after my 2 hours was up. I gave her my standard tip money and house. She got 2 hours of breathing space to relax. For me it’s an investment to be sure future sessions go well, and because after 50 or so times being naked with her, I feel close as a friend. And it was easy enough to hit another spa on way home and get body needs met.
 
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